Is Murali a chucker??
Discussion
Well, I have seen the lengthy tv assessment of Murali by Mark Nicholas last year and have been using the slo-mo on my SKy+ to look at his action, both front and side on.
Without the benefit of 3-d motion analysis, in both front and side on, he looks to alter the angle between his upper and lower arm quite a bit. Having tried to bowl this style of 'back of the hand facing the batsman' ball release, i can't see how it's not a chuck.
I know about the 'congenital deformity which means he cannot straighten his elbow'. This is not the question. If he bowls with a slightly bent arm all the way through, that would be fine.
I think he throws the ball - which is a great shame, for I think there will always be a cloud over his bowling records.
Without the benefit of 3-d motion analysis, in both front and side on, he looks to alter the angle between his upper and lower arm quite a bit. Having tried to bowl this style of 'back of the hand facing the batsman' ball release, i can't see how it's not a chuck.
I know about the 'congenital deformity which means he cannot straighten his elbow'. This is not the question. If he bowls with a slightly bent arm all the way through, that would be fine.
I think he throws the ball - which is a great shame, for I think there will always be a cloud over his bowling records.
THere have been a few ENg and Aussie players who have had their actions 'modified'. There has also been some modification to some Pakistani quicks, IIRC.
I think anyone who really htinks Brett Lee or Lasith Malinga are throwing doesn't understand the game. There are very, very few quicks who I can remember even having a suspect action.
I think anyone who really htinks Brett Lee or Lasith Malinga are throwing doesn't understand the game. There are very, very few quicks who I can remember even having a suspect action.
I'm with you Suthol. Not wanting to sound t
ttish, as an ex-pro, I have had many, many years of bowling and you do get a feel for it which, I think, the average cricket viewer doesn't really appreciate. The slow bowlers benefit from the straightening of the elbow - Murali needs to have a bent elbow to get his hand in the position he has for ball release.
ttish, as an ex-pro, I have had many, many years of bowling and you do get a feel for it which, I think, the average cricket viewer doesn't really appreciate. The slow bowlers benefit from the straightening of the elbow - Murali needs to have a bent elbow to get his hand in the position he has for ball release. trickywoo said:
johnfm said:
I think anyone who really htinks Brett Lee or Lasith Malinga are throwing doesn't understand the game. There are very, very few quicks who I can remember even having a suspect action.
You what? I'm not taliking about every ball but Lee, Akhtar and loads of other quicks chuck the ball sometimes. They have probably taken plenty of wickets doing so as well.
They chuck and I'd say its you who does not understand the game.
"In the case of Shoaib, Simon Hughes, a journalist and former cricket player in England, argued that every fast bowler occasionally throws unintentionally when straining for extra pace"
Edited by trickywoo on Wednesday 25th April 14:12
I'm not going to argue about who understands the game - I have played high level cricket for a number of years and I can assure you that the chucking issue lies with spinners rather than quicks.
Anyway, SA are 5 down, so I'm off to gloat!!
trickywoo said:
johnfm said:
I have played high level cricket for a number of years
Would not call Adel high level but there you go.
Can we have some fit birds in Hollyoaks as well?
Oi, stalker!! Adel is where I play in my autumn!! I'm 38 now!!
In my pomp it was WACA pennants in Perth up against Robin Smith, Alec Stewart, Bruce Laird, Graeme Wood, Dennis Lillee etc etc.
That seems like a LONGLONG time ago now though..
Do you still play?
suthol said:
johnfm said:
Oi, stalker!! Adel is where I play in my autumn!! I'm 38 now!!
So you were about 19 when the great DKL retired after playing for Tasmania, he didn't have much steam left in him then.
Anyway you still have heaps of time and maybe another wicket or two left, I've got 20 years on you and have no intention of retiring. ( started in grade 44 yrs ago )
I lost my A1 captain ( another WACA boy ) a couple of years ago also played for Melville.
DK was not running out of steam!! I was 18 and opened the batting against Melville at Gosnells - he had plenty of fire in him. As did Devon Malcolm at Freo. It was a great time in my cricketing life - I just regret not taking the chances I was offered!! TOo stuoid at 18 to make sensible decisions!! Matt Maynard was our o/seas player (after ROb Bailey the year before)and he asked me to come to Glamorgan to play 2nds - I doubt I would have got a game in the first eleven as IVA Richards was their o/seas player at the time!! Stupidly, I turned Matt down, choosing to finish my degree before travelling to the UK for cricket! You must remember in those days, there was no money in cricket at all.
No regrets - had I gone to GLamorgan I would not have met my wife and had my kids etc etc. My life is bloody great.
Its just when you bump into, say Dermott Reeve 10 years after playing him and he recognizes you with ' me, John how are you. You were the quickest white guy I faced in the '90s' etc, you start to wonder.
Having said that, bowling quick is a mug's game!!! Sore back, dropped slipped catches, streaky edges for four....then the spinners come on and 'buy' wickets..... not that I'm bitter!!
Now concentrate on hitting runs and reminiscing what it was like to walk onto the same field as some of the 'big boys'. I'll never, ever forget facing Dennis Keith Lillee.
Its just when you bump into, say Dermott Reeve 10 years after playing him and he recognizes you with '
me, John how are you. You were the quickest white guy I faced in the '90s' etc, you start to wonder. Having said that, bowling quick is a mug's game!!! Sore back, dropped slipped catches, streaky edges for four....then the spinners come on and 'buy' wickets..... not that I'm bitter!!
Now concentrate on hitting runs and reminiscing what it was like to walk onto the same field as some of the 'big boys'. I'll never, ever forget facing Dennis Keith Lillee.
It was a pretty weird game. We were up against it, having lost on the first innings (we played 96 overs per side over two Saturdays.) I remember the second innings they had only about 20 overs to bowl at us, so Dennis had no worries about conceding runs. He had 5 slips & 2 gulleys and one man catching close in each side. He just steamed in bowling 3-4 bouncers an over at me!!! Our home ground was pretty hard and fast, so it was 'interesting'. I didn't ever bat in a helmet, so this seemed to inspire him all the more!! Many of my friends and relatives came to watch and, rather embarassingly, were chanting 'Lillee, Lillee' as he bowled!! I survived for nearly 15 or 16 overs, making very few runs. Dennis continually following through most of the way down the track, spitting, calling me a pussy or a girl etc etc. Finally he got me - caught and bowled one handed diving to his right - the guy was a fighter, even in a 'dead' game.
He was absolutely rock hard on the field - off it, he was the first to buy a young 'rabbit' a beer!
I'll never forget it.
However, my favourite cricket moment is bouncing out Bruce Laird at South Perth with a brutal short one!! Ahh, the good old days....
He was absolutely rock hard on the field - off it, he was the first to buy a young 'rabbit' a beer!
I'll never forget it.
However, my favourite cricket moment is bouncing out Bruce Laird at South Perth with a brutal short one!! Ahh, the good old days....
I'm feeling all nostalgic & melancholy now....
If Lillee was memorable for good reasons, I'll never forgot 'bad' memorable moment.
I bolwed Robin Smith a bit of a snorter - sharp, short chin music style. SHoulder of bat, dropped at gulley for nought!!
He went on to hit 140~odd not out that day...gutted!
If Lillee was memorable for good reasons, I'll never forgot 'bad' memorable moment.
I bolwed Robin Smith a bit of a snorter - sharp, short chin music style. SHoulder of bat, dropped at gulley for nought!!
He went on to hit 140~odd not out that day...gutted!
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