Discussion
MarkJames1 said:
Are test events at full capacity? Noticed ascot has 12,000 compared to 60,000 capacity
My understanding is that test events have the following rules:For stadium and seated events: Up to 10,000 spectators, or no more than 25% of capacity.
For non-seated outdoor venues, like racecourses, there is a current cap of 4,000.
Ascot was allowed 12,000 as it could seat pretty much everyone ‘securely’ in stands.
As far as I know, Goodwood FOS attracts around 100,000-150,000 people per day, and clearly could not operate on entrance figures of 4000 per day. It just wouldn’t make any sense financially.
(I could be wrong about any and all the above figures by the way)
Lord Marylebone said:
My understanding is that test events have the following rules:
For stadium and seated events: Up to 10,000 spectators, or no more than 25% of capacity.
For non-seated outdoor venues, like racecourses, there is a current cap of 4,000.
Ascot was allowed 12,000 as it could seat pretty much everyone ‘securely’ in stands.
As far as I know, Goodwood FOS attracts around 100,000-150,000 people per day, and clearly could not operate on entrance figures of 4000 per day. It just wouldn’t make any sense financially.
(I could be wrong about any and all the above figures by the way)
I believe FOS attendance figures is around 50k per day is it not? For stadium and seated events: Up to 10,000 spectators, or no more than 25% of capacity.
For non-seated outdoor venues, like racecourses, there is a current cap of 4,000.
Ascot was allowed 12,000 as it could seat pretty much everyone ‘securely’ in stands.
As far as I know, Goodwood FOS attracts around 100,000-150,000 people per day, and clearly could not operate on entrance figures of 4000 per day. It just wouldn’t make any sense financially.
(I could be wrong about any and all the above figures by the way)
ecsrobin said:
Lord Marylebone said:
My understanding is that test events have the following rules:
For stadium and seated events: Up to 10,000 spectators, or no more than 25% of capacity.
For non-seated outdoor venues, like racecourses, there is a current cap of 4,000.
Ascot was allowed 12,000 as it could seat pretty much everyone ‘securely’ in stands.
As far as I know, Goodwood FOS attracts around 100,000-150,000 people per day, and clearly could not operate on entrance figures of 4000 per day. It just wouldn’t make any sense financially.
(I could be wrong about any and all the above figures by the way)
I believe FOS attendance figures is around 50k per day is it not? For stadium and seated events: Up to 10,000 spectators, or no more than 25% of capacity.
For non-seated outdoor venues, like racecourses, there is a current cap of 4,000.
Ascot was allowed 12,000 as it could seat pretty much everyone ‘securely’ in stands.
As far as I know, Goodwood FOS attracts around 100,000-150,000 people per day, and clearly could not operate on entrance figures of 4000 per day. It just wouldn’t make any sense financially.
(I could be wrong about any and all the above figures by the way)
Even so, would you run a 200,000 visitor event with only 16,000 visitors?
Lord Marylebone said:
You could be right, it was just what I was reading from previous years ‘per day’ attendance figures, but I notice that now they claim ‘over 200,000 for the 4 days’ so yes, around 50,000 per day.
Even so, would you run a 200,000 visitor event with only 16,000 visitors?
No, and I’m fairly sure Goodwood won’t either. It would be possible to run an event, but it certainly wouldn’t resemble a normal FOS.Even so, would you run a 200,000 visitor event with only 16,000 visitors?
m4tti said:
Sums up my feeling to this. Can’t believe I’m seeing the papers already talking about keeping some or more restrictions beyond 19th. Every time they just belt the can down the road and expect people to accept it. 
Other countries are letting fully vaccinated people live life without restrictions. We should be doing exactly that.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
Lord Marylebone said:
You could be right, it was just what I was reading from previous years ‘per day’ attendance figures, but I notice that now they claim ‘over 200,000 for the 4 days’ so yes, around 50,000 per day.
Even so, would you run a 200,000 visitor event with only 16,000 visitors?
No, and I’m fairly sure Goodwood won’t either. It would be possible to run an event, but it certainly wouldn’t resemble a normal FOS.Even so, would you run a 200,000 visitor event with only 16,000 visitors?
RacerMike said:
Sounds ideal to me. It's exactly why I tend to go on a Thurs or Fri!
I’m not sure why people think Friday is any quieter than the weekend (it isn’t as it always sells out) likewise Thursday has got busier as more has been added. However it may sound great as a spectator but from a business point of view it’s likely not viable as a heavily reduced event.
Lord Marylebone said:
You could be right, it was just what I was reading from previous years ‘per day’ attendance figures, but I notice that now they claim ‘over 200,000 for the 4 days’ so yes, around 50,000 per day.
Even so, would you run a 200,000 visitor event with only 16,000 visitors?
Hard to do when you have already sold 200,000 tickets.Even so, would you run a 200,000 visitor event with only 16,000 visitors?
cjm said:
Lord Marylebone said:
You could be right, it was just what I was reading from previous years ‘per day’ attendance figures, but I notice that now they claim ‘over 200,000 for the 4 days’ so yes, around 50,000 per day.
Even so, would you run a 200,000 visitor event with only 16,000 visitors?
Hard to do when you have already sold 200,000 tickets.Even so, would you run a 200,000 visitor event with only 16,000 visitors?
What are they going to do, tell some tickets holders they can't come? That would be suicidal!
Big Nanas said:
cjm said:
Lord Marylebone said:
You could be right, it was just what I was reading from previous years ‘per day’ attendance figures, but I notice that now they claim ‘over 200,000 for the 4 days’ so yes, around 50,000 per day.
Even so, would you run a 200,000 visitor event with only 16,000 visitors?
Hard to do when you have already sold 200,000 tickets.Even so, would you run a 200,000 visitor event with only 16,000 visitors?
What are they going to do, tell some tickets holders they can't come? That would be suicidal!
F20CN16 said:
Big Nanas said:
cjm said:
Lord Marylebone said:
You could be right, it was just what I was reading from previous years ‘per day’ attendance figures, but I notice that now they claim ‘over 200,000 for the 4 days’ so yes, around 50,000 per day.
Even so, would you run a 200,000 visitor event with only 16,000 visitors?
Hard to do when you have already sold 200,000 tickets.Even so, would you run a 200,000 visitor event with only 16,000 visitors?
What are they going to do, tell some tickets holders they can't come? That would be suicidal!
F20CN16 said:
One potential way of doing it is to only allow the 2020 ticket holders in, and anyone that bought tickets for 2021 will be rolled over to 2022. Of course I’ve got no clue how many 2020 tickets they sold before March 2020, but they might get agreement with the gov to run that if it’s half capacity or so. That would rule me out, but I’d understand.
The problem is, it won’t be half capacity. As per the ‘rules’, outdoor events that are non-seated and non-stadium are only allowed 4000 customers per day. Seated events (such as football, Wimbledon etc) are allowed a percentage of the stadium capacity.So 4000 per day at Goodwood instead of 50,000. That’s assuming it even gets permission to be a ‘test event’.
I can’t see it happening on the proposed date.
Lord Marylebone said:
F20CN16 said:
One potential way of doing it is to only allow the 2020 ticket holders in, and anyone that bought tickets for 2021 will be rolled over to 2022. Of course I’ve got no clue how many 2020 tickets they sold before March 2020, but they might get agreement with the gov to run that if it’s half capacity or so. That would rule me out, but I’d understand.
The problem is, it won’t be half capacity. As per the ‘rules’, outdoor events that are non-seated and non-stadium are only allowed 4000 customers per day. Seated events (such as football, Wimbledon etc) are allowed a percentage of the stadium capacity.So 4000 per day at Goodwood instead of 50,000. That’s assuming it even gets permission to be a ‘test event’.
I can’t see it happening on the proposed date.
delta0 said:
Basically this is only going ahead if it becomes a pilot event.
I would be amazed if the government allow a high-volume pilot event of this type given what's currently happening with the stats.Last year they got a massive amount of adverse publicity because they let the Cheltenham Festival go ahead at a point when the figures were starting to increase.
Recent pilots like the Liverpool rave were done when figures were declining and that was an appropriate time for a test.
If the government let Goodwood go ahead and then there is a massive spike of infections as a result they will get a real pasting in the Press. Having let it happen with Cheltenham once I can't see them risking a second similar scenario.
Lord Marylebone said:
The problem is, it won’t be half capacity. As per the ‘rules’, outdoor events that are non-seated and non-stadium are only allowed 4000 customers per day. Seated events (such as football, Wimbledon etc) are allowed a percentage of the stadium capacity.
So 4000 per day at Goodwood instead of 50,000. That’s assuming it even gets permission to be a ‘test event’.
I can’t see it happening on the proposed date.
That's not how pilot/test events work. They could run FoS with 4000 attendees tomorrow if they wanted (with paddock segregation), as per the many, many motorsport events that have already been happening up and down the country. Obviously that doesn't work for an event like FoS, but legally they can do it.So 4000 per day at Goodwood instead of 50,000. That’s assuming it even gets permission to be a ‘test event’.
I can’t see it happening on the proposed date.
The idea behind pushing for a test event is to run it 'as normal', with testing before and after and data subsequently analysed by the government. Both Silverstone and FoS will be lobbying hard for this, understandably.
The problem, I fear, for FoS is that non-elite motorsport is a long way down the list of priorities. Back when thousands of people could go to a boot sale or steam rally, spectating at motorsport was specifically banned, despite (for example) 4000 people spread around several miles of Castle Combe or Thruxton, all arriving individually/in bubbles by car, being about as 'safe' as anything I can think of.
m4tti said:
If it’s a glimmer of hope… the site preparation is apparently ploughing on.
At huge risk. This could go really pear shaped. I guess it’s to appease any contractual obligations to the people who do the build. After all, it’s no skin off of Goodwood’s noses to have the thing set up, but unused until a possible postponement date is nailed down.Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Thursday 17th June 05:28
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
At huge risk. This could go really pear shaped. I guess it’s to appease any contractual obligations to the people who do the build. After all, it’s no skin off of Goodwood’s noses to have the thing set up, but unused until a possible postponement date is nailed down.
Goodwood apparently lost £1mil from the members meet build last year. Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Thursday 17th June 05:28
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