Goodwood Full Membership
Discussion
Ean218 said:
ecsrobin said:
Ah I’ll standby to be surprised when the paper version drops.
You won't be, I got mine yesterday. The Duke seems to think we are working with him on the changes. How out of touch must he be?"Thank you for working with us on the changes to the Festival of Speed Thursday tickets. It wasn't an easy decision, but I assure you that we remain committed to developing meaningful benefits ..."
I think the Duke and those around him have their head up his arse if he thinks anyone is working with them, it was an enforced change.
Well, I have now had my paper version. There is a tiny acknowledgement to the issue.
Looking in a bit more detail, yes, they accept that they have been speaking to some of us - I know several on here have been in direct contact with the club, in order to try and make some improvements.
They do however, seem to have missed the point entirely - it isn't really about the Thursday FoS tickets.
How can you not predict the popularity when it is admission by advance ticket only?
The 'other options' part still makes no sense.
We have been around the loop countless times, but is seems obvious that if the event has a capacity of for example 50k, and the 10k Members each order a Thursday ticket, then it seems simple you have 40k to sell to the public. There is no chance of 'surpise' attendance, it is all 100% known about. You can't suddenly get overwhealmed. It is basic stuff.
It is obvious that the 'removed' tickets are not being resold - otherwise the attendance would be identical to this year with the same problem.
They will sell the same number as last year, and in their heads 'give away' less - therefore just disadvantaging the members.
They will be investigating new benefits - so we are expected to pay up for another year with a vague idea that some of our issues might be looked at at some point in the future.
As, I say. Disappointing. The club really had this one chance to back out of a bad situation and have blown it.
His grace In the Christmas address said:
We have, of course, been speaking to many of you recently about the Festival of Speed Thursday tickets. We understand why this news came as a shock to you, and we are listening to your feedback. The timing has not helped, off the back of the pandemic, but we were unable to predict the popularity of the Thursday this year, which resulted in poor experience for many, including our members.
The conclusion to remove them wasn't a direct result of your feedback, but that of many stakeholders, in addition to the logistical challenges we faced on the day.
As part of the decision making process we looked at several other options, including releasing tickets by ballot, a booking window and tickets every other year, but none of these addressed the core issue and didn't provide a fair solution. For clarity, the tickets that have been removed are not being resold.
Looking ahead, we are focussing our attention on creating a busy and exciting calander of events and investigating new benefits for 2024 and beyond.
On balance, I don't feel this is enough.The conclusion to remove them wasn't a direct result of your feedback, but that of many stakeholders, in addition to the logistical challenges we faced on the day.
As part of the decision making process we looked at several other options, including releasing tickets by ballot, a booking window and tickets every other year, but none of these addressed the core issue and didn't provide a fair solution. For clarity, the tickets that have been removed are not being resold.
Looking ahead, we are focussing our attention on creating a busy and exciting calander of events and investigating new benefits for 2024 and beyond.
Looking in a bit more detail, yes, they accept that they have been speaking to some of us - I know several on here have been in direct contact with the club, in order to try and make some improvements.
They do however, seem to have missed the point entirely - it isn't really about the Thursday FoS tickets.
How can you not predict the popularity when it is admission by advance ticket only?
The 'other options' part still makes no sense.
We have been around the loop countless times, but is seems obvious that if the event has a capacity of for example 50k, and the 10k Members each order a Thursday ticket, then it seems simple you have 40k to sell to the public. There is no chance of 'surpise' attendance, it is all 100% known about. You can't suddenly get overwhealmed. It is basic stuff.
It is obvious that the 'removed' tickets are not being resold - otherwise the attendance would be identical to this year with the same problem.
They will sell the same number as last year, and in their heads 'give away' less - therefore just disadvantaging the members.
They will be investigating new benefits - so we are expected to pay up for another year with a vague idea that some of our issues might be looked at at some point in the future.
As, I say. Disappointing. The club really had this one chance to back out of a bad situation and have blown it.
No ideas for a name said:
On balance, I don't feel this is enough.
Looking in a bit more detail, yes, they accept that they have been speaking to some of us - I know several on here have been in direct contact with the club, in order to try and make some improvements.
They do however, seem to have missed the point entirely - it isn't really about the Thursday FoS tickets.
How can you not predict the popularity when it is admission by advance ticket only?
The 'other options' part still makes no sense.
We have been around the loop countless times, but is seems obvious that if the event has a capacity of for example 50k, and the 10k Members each order a Thursday ticket, then it seems simple you have 40k to sell to the public. There is no chance of 'surpise' attendance, it is all 100% known about. You can't suddenly get overwhealmed. It is basic stuff.
It is obvious that the 'removed' tickets are not being resold - otherwise the attendance would be identical to this year with the same problem.
They will sell the same number as last year, and in their heads 'give away' less - therefore just disadvantaging the members.
They will be investigating new benefits - so we are expected to pay up for another year with a vague idea that some of our issues might be looked at at some point in the future.
As, I say. Disappointing. The club really had this one chance to back out of a bad situation and have blown it.
It’s clear this problem has arisen with the rapidly increased membership numbers and not allocating the tickets as part of the FOS allocation. If they were to allocate them they’d lose over £1mil so you can see why they chose not to do it any other way. Looking in a bit more detail, yes, they accept that they have been speaking to some of us - I know several on here have been in direct contact with the club, in order to try and make some improvements.
They do however, seem to have missed the point entirely - it isn't really about the Thursday FoS tickets.
How can you not predict the popularity when it is admission by advance ticket only?
The 'other options' part still makes no sense.
We have been around the loop countless times, but is seems obvious that if the event has a capacity of for example 50k, and the 10k Members each order a Thursday ticket, then it seems simple you have 40k to sell to the public. There is no chance of 'surpise' attendance, it is all 100% known about. You can't suddenly get overwhealmed. It is basic stuff.
It is obvious that the 'removed' tickets are not being resold - otherwise the attendance would be identical to this year with the same problem.
They will sell the same number as last year, and in their heads 'give away' less - therefore just disadvantaging the members.
They will be investigating new benefits - so we are expected to pay up for another year with a vague idea that some of our issues might be looked at at some point in the future.
As, I say. Disappointing. The club really had this one chance to back out of a bad situation and have blown it.
All of this just highlights how mismanaged the event/club is.
I wasn’t going to share my list of points that I sent to the GRRC as I felt I’d give them a chance but in light of this email not fulfilling what I was led to believe it could (although in reality I knew it wouldn’t) I’ll dig them out and share them on here this weekend.
flatlandsman said:
Can anyone detail just how much per year it costs if you were to start from zero and say only attend the FoS and Revival?
If I understand the question correctly;Membership = £355 + Joining fee of £355
gives you a 25% discount off up to 2 tickets per day.
Non discounted FoS Weekend = £230 (I think this is last year's price)
Non discounted Revival Weeend = £229
Totals;
With membership = 710 + (230 + 229) * .75 = £1054.25
Without membership = 230 + 229 = £459
flatlandsman said:
Can anyone detail just how much per year it costs if you were to start from zero and say only attend the FoS and Revival?
Adult membership is £335 this year. It used to go up around £20 a year last year it went up a big jump and this year it’s gone up £40. Your first years membership is double for “administrative reasons”.
You then get 25% off 2 event tickets for FOS and revival.
flatlandsman said:
That is a fairly serious amount of money
I do hope you all think it is worth it, I would be questioning my sanity I feel! but, they must know what they are doing, and you must all feel handing over all of that is worth your while.
I am clearly not the target audience
Have you read any of the 7 pages???? That’s exactly what we’re saying it’s not worth it! I do hope you all think it is worth it, I would be questioning my sanity I feel! but, they must know what they are doing, and you must all feel handing over all of that is worth your while.
I am clearly not the target audience
ecsrobin said:
Have you read any of the 7 pages????
Just to take a slight tangent, the number of pages is determined by the value of "Page Length" in your forum preferences. Depending on what device you use, you might want to consider upping it from the default of 20. I use the maximum of 80 which cuts this thread down to 2 pages, it makes it a lot easier to scroll back.Whatever, there are 134 replies here and another 165 on the original thread: The end of free Thursday FOS tickets.
Nearly 300 posts on the matter, Goodwood should be pleased there is so much passionate debate.
Any current GRRC members out there who had all but made up their mind they were not going to renew but are now sitting on the fence?!
I'm in this camp. For me, the main appeal to joining the GRRC were the regional drives and the potential to partake in the couple of autosolos run each year (though I'm yet to pluck up the courage!).
Goodwood will run 10 regional drives next year and I figure I could perhaps attend 5 of these. They're 'free' so if I take the £335 membership cost and divide it per drive that's £67 per drive, which doesn't seem too unreasonable given the routes are pre-planned and it's dedicated time set aside to enjoy my car - this is definitely worth something!
Managing to get booked onto the drives I want to attend may be another matter...
I'm in this camp. For me, the main appeal to joining the GRRC were the regional drives and the potential to partake in the couple of autosolos run each year (though I'm yet to pluck up the courage!).
Goodwood will run 10 regional drives next year and I figure I could perhaps attend 5 of these. They're 'free' so if I take the £335 membership cost and divide it per drive that's £67 per drive, which doesn't seem too unreasonable given the routes are pre-planned and it's dedicated time set aside to enjoy my car - this is definitely worth something!
Managing to get booked onto the drives I want to attend may be another matter...
HWW said:
Any current GRRC members out there who had all but made up their mind they were not going to renew but are now sitting on the fence?!
Yes, I want to renew, but I am fairly sure I shall not renew, but haven't 100% decided.I invested a lot of time (as did a couple of others on here) to try and make a difference.
The announcement in the newsletter was somewhat less than I hoped for.
I would be waiting for unspecified benefits in an unspecified timescale.
Also, £355 is a lot of cash to me at the moment.
HWW said:
Any current GRRC members out there who had all but made up their mind they were not going to renew but are now sitting on the fence?!
I'm in this camp. For me, the main appeal to joining the GRRC were the regional drives and the potential to partake in the couple of autosolos run each year (though I'm yet to pluck up the courage!).
Goodwood will run 10 regional drives next year and I figure I could perhaps attend 5 of these. They're 'free' so if I take the £335 membership cost and divide it per drive that's £67 per drive, which doesn't seem too unreasonable given the routes are pre-planned and it's dedicated time set aside to enjoy my car - this is definitely worth something!
Managing to get booked onto the drives I want to attend may be another matter...
The regional drives are ok but nothing you can’t organise yourself. Some of the routes have been repetitive in the past (looking at the Goodwood drive). There’s also the fact the fellowship also offer regional drives. You could drop to fellowship and then enter a local auto solo (which might even be cheaper than the £60ish goodwood charge. I'm in this camp. For me, the main appeal to joining the GRRC were the regional drives and the potential to partake in the couple of autosolos run each year (though I'm yet to pluck up the courage!).
Goodwood will run 10 regional drives next year and I figure I could perhaps attend 5 of these. They're 'free' so if I take the £335 membership cost and divide it per drive that's £67 per drive, which doesn't seem too unreasonable given the routes are pre-planned and it's dedicated time set aside to enjoy my car - this is definitely worth something!
Managing to get booked onto the drives I want to attend may be another matter...
No ideas for a name said:
Yes, I want to renew, but I am fairly sure I shall not renew, but haven't 100% decided.
I invested a lot of time (as did a couple of others on here) to try and make a difference.
I think Alan will have spent quite a lot of time on the phone, I had a call with him to discuss the changes too.I invested a lot of time (as did a couple of others on here) to try and make a difference.
I have renewed, it was a more difficult decision than it should have been, as I, and others have said, I think next year is a time for Goodwood to look at what separates the 2 sections of the club, so that the cost to go up to being a full member really does offer a step up in benefits, that don't come with a additional cost to the Member, and aren't available to the Fellowship.
Perhaps, something like a sponsor, 'GRRC in association with' which is no different to the way the main events are sponsored, could introduce some additional funds and offer a scalable benefit to full members ?
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