Dude, has Goodwood, like..sold out?

Dude, has Goodwood, like..sold out?

Poll: Dude, has Goodwood, like..sold out?

Total Members Polled: 101

Yes, its become too corporate: 19%
No but its on the way to selling its soul: 36%
You're talking rubbish Toad, its still great: 32%
Don't care either way as long as its sunny : 14%
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Red Firecracker

5,279 posts

229 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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Those first few years were indeed halcyon days for the events (when all was dusty fields etc etc etc).

I was struck this year, and for the life of me I can't fathom if my memory is playing tricks on me, that the paddock seemed to contain fewer cars/bikes. It seemed much more uncluttered, almost as if there was an entire row missing.

Also, it felt as if there were fewer cars running up the hill on Friday.

alolympic

700 posts

199 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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I think it has reached a bit of a crossroads.
Provided Goodwood do not move away from it's original ethos any further, I think it will regress back slowly to being a more specialised motorsport event. The non motoring fans will realise it isn't really their thing and move on to some other event.

MX7

7,902 posts

176 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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Eric Mc said:
I'm not too interested in the celebrity side of things, supercars, or the runs up the hill. I just love seeing the historic racing cars in the paddocks and talking to the owners or those who look after them for the owners. I always learn a great deal from listening to these people and they are always keen to chat - especially those who bring their cars in from the US.
That's the key attraction for me too.

Eric Mc

122,294 posts

267 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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shoestring7 said:
Eric Mc said:
I actually thought that, although the corporate stands were massive, there were far fewer small traders (models, bookshops etc) than in past years. It maybe was because I was there on the Thursday but the only proper motor racing bookshop I found was Pooks. What happened to Chaters, Motor Books etc? They used to always be there.

I thought I might pick up some white metal or resin car models and I could'nt find anyone selling such items.
FWIW Chaters had a large double stand this year.

I went to the 2nd FoS in 1993, and spent all three days at the event, staying in a camper van parked in the hardstanding in Goodwood (horse)racecourse.

There were still only small hay bales protecting the trees along the drive, very little corporate presence, no current F1 cars or 'supercars', and an informality that has almost completely dissapeared.

But I still remember some bloke complaining that it wasn't as good as the year before...

SS7
I either missed Chaters or they hadn't set up on Thursday. Oh well.

The first ever Festival of Speed was the 1993 event. I missed that because it was so low key that I didn't know it was on. I went to the second one (1994), missed 1995 and then went every year (sometimes both days) until about four years ago when I felt I needed a break.
This year was the first time back since then and I have to say I enjoyed it - despite the changes.

Stig

11,818 posts

286 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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Stephanie Plum said:
I was pretty horrified to see that picture of the Bugatti. An Exige on the Johnnie Walker stand received the same treatment - indicative of some of the visitors sadly. I also think it's about time they introduced a rule that makes the wearing of a shirt compulsory - quite why overweight men think the rest of us want to gaze at their gut is beyond me.

I always go on the Friday and I still love it - yes it's busier than it used to be, but that's just how it is. Things like the Red Arrows, Vulcan etc don't come cheap after all. I for one was very pleased to see Lotus there with a big shiny stand - no I don't know where the money came from, but for once they put on a good show and hopefully attracted some new customers to the marque. The days of the B&C car and Clive wandering around, while nice in its own way, aren't really where they need to be now.
I also saw the Bugatti - it defied belief. Same with eh Exige Scura which is a bigger shame as a PHer owns it (vetteheadracer I believe) frown

If it helps vette - I told several kids to bu99er off when they started to paw at it (my 5yr old son was not one of them it must be said!!)

Trabant

67 posts

167 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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M-J-B said:
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F1 were banned for a reason, excessive speed in the wrong environment kills.
The F1 cars are perfectly entitled to set a time if they so wish. They don't because they choose not to, not because there's a ban.

marcosgt

11,033 posts

178 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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Eric Mc said:
I either missed Chaters or they hadn't set up on Thursday. Oh well.
I'm pretty sure I had a look around the Chaters stand on Thursday - Certainly looked and felt like the stands they usually have at events.

M.

thecremeegg

1,971 posts

205 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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Trabant said:
M-J-B said:
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F1 were banned for a reason, excessive speed in the wrong environment kills.
The F1 cars are perfectly entitled to set a time if they so wish. They don't because they choose not to, not because there's a ban.
Pretty sure they're banned, said so in the Sunday Times Goodwood supplement tongue out

M-J-B

15,011 posts

252 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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thecremeegg said:
Trabant said:
M-J-B said:
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F1 were banned for a reason, excessive speed in the wrong environment kills.
The F1 cars are perfectly entitled to set a time if they so wish. They don't because they choose not to, not because there's a ban.
Pretty sure they're banned, said so in the Sunday Times Goodwood supplement tongue out
The F1 cars are not allowed to set a time - fact.


Eric Mc

122,294 posts

267 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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After the fatalities of 2000, the competitive nature of the hillclimb was drastically reduced.

M-J-B

15,011 posts

252 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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Eric Mc said:
After the fatalities of 2000, the competitive nature of the hillclimb was drastically reduced.
Not from everyone Eric - the guy in the Focus was really going for it - to the point where I was glad I was on the other side of the track.

I love speed and events like this, but if I take my children/friends with me I want us all to go home in one piece.

Trabant

67 posts

167 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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M-J-B said:
The F1 cars are not allowed to set a time - fact.
They would be allowed to set a time by Goodwood, trust me on that. It's a commonly held ( and incorrect ) belief that there was a ban on contemporary F1 cars setting a time after the Dawson Damer crash in 2000, in fact it's the F1 teams who don't allow their drivers to go for a time, nothing to do with Goodwood banning them.

Edited by Trabant on Monday 5th July 13:24

CivicMan

2,211 posts

203 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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Classy......



And WTF is it with all the baby buggies being pushed up through the rally forest??

JonRB

74,945 posts

274 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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CivicMan said:
Classy......



And WTF is it with all the baby buggies being pushed up through the rally forest??
Yeah, cos parents and people with tattoos have no place at somewhere like Goodwood, do they? rolleyes

Trabant

67 posts

167 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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I think it's great that parents with young kids want to bring them to an event like the FOS. It's going to foster a love of all things motorsport from an early age, and that's got to be a good thing I would have thought. I wish someone had given me a lift up the hill in a push chair, I was knackered after 4 days of hiking around the grounds and up the hill.

F1JHerbert

538 posts

167 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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I have been going to Goodwood FoS since 1997. I personally think it has become a victim of its own success. There is more ans more for the Coperate/hospitality etc. When I first went, it was all about the motor racing fans etc. Not it seems that he wants to keep the sponsors and coperate people happy then the true fans. The Grandstand have got bigger. So he is making more money.

Trommel

19,213 posts

261 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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JonRB said:
Yeah, cos ... people with tattoos have no place at somewhere like Goodwood, do they? rolleyes
How ridiculous, of course they do.

Who else is going to pick up the litter?

Edmundo2

1,356 posts

212 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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Completely agree. More posers than ever who are just there to be seen, more corporate crap than ever, less cars on the hill with less guys pushing hard for a quick time, massively expensive food/drink, and massively over crowded with people who clearly aren't petrol heads. For me the spark has gone. Next year I'll go to the revival again instead in the hope that it has remained true to it's original appeal.

Red Firecracker

5,279 posts

229 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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To counter, I thought the drinks I bought were same price/cheaper even than last year and I've not found it over crowded since the limit on ticket numbers was introduced.

Knowing when to go to which bit helps.

Trommel

19,213 posts

261 months

Monday 5th July 2010
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Like anything else, some of the charm is lost as it becomes a victim of its own success.

The F1 paddock definitely seemed smaller this year, there were more undesirables there, too many people only there to gawp at Veyrons and the like.

Part of the problem is perhaps that the rarity or importance of what's there just isn't obvious unless you know about it - the line-up of 8Cs was great, but to a lot of people there they were just more old cars that weren't very interesting. There were also quite a few repeat entries, especially on the Style et Luxe lawn (Carabo, Pinin etc.) - inevitable I suppose after 17 years.

Food at the only sit-down public venue was as usual pretty awful for the money, you can't see much without a grandstand seat etc. - I wonder if the way forward is to try to blag hospitality/house tickets.

I'll still probably go next year.