Which Enduro MTB?
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Herman Toothrot said:
It's is, the hope bike is amazing design wise, just a shame it's front triangle is made from plastic, see photos from today's ride thread with a poor chaps broken 3 week old Yeti. Exactly why I'd never go plastic MTB. Everytime I ride anywhere seriously rocky my aluminium bikes return home with new dents on the down tube and I just say oh well and carry on, just can't do that with carbon. Time and a place for Carbon and it's roadbikes (love my carbon road bike) or on MTBs handle bars and that's about it as far as I'm concerned. If you never ride rocks I can understand people choosing them for the weight saving.
Not sure what Yeti's warranty is like, but a Santa Cruz frame has a lifetime warranty against this type of thing.Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 19th November 16:13
Coin Slot. said:
Herman Toothrot said:
It's is, the hope bike is amazing design wise, just a shame it's front triangle is made from plastic, see photos from today's ride thread with a poor chaps broken 3 week old Yeti. Exactly why I'd never go plastic MTB. Everytime I ride anywhere seriously rocky my aluminium bikes return home with new dents on the down tube and I just say oh well and carry on, just can't do that with carbon. Time and a place for Carbon and it's roadbikes (love my carbon road bike) or on MTBs handle bars and that's about it as far as I'm concerned. If you never ride rocks I can understand people choosing them for the weight saving.
Not sure what Yeti's warranty is like, but a Santa Cruz frame has a lifetime warranty against this type of thing.Edited by Herman Toothrot on Sunday 19th November 16:13
Most carbon bikes have a down tube protector and you should see the destruction testing Santa Cruz do. I've had plenty of rocks bouncing off of my bikes and they've been fine.
Coin Slot. said:
Herman Toothrot said:
It's is, the hope bike is amazing design wise, just a shame it's front triangle is made from plastic, see photos from today's ride thread with a poor chaps broken 3 week old Yeti. Exactly why I'd never go plastic MTB. Everytime I ride anywhere seriously rocky my aluminium bikes return home with new dents on the down tube and I just say oh well and carry on, just can't do that with carbon. Time and a place for Carbon and it's roadbikes (love my carbon road bike) or on MTBs handle bars and that's about it as far as I'm concerned. If you never ride rocks I can understand people choosing them for the weight saving.
Not sure what Yeti's warranty is like, but a Santa Cruz frame has a lifetime warranty against this type of thing.Edited by Herman Toothrot on Sunday 19th November 16:13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5eMMf11uhM
I really don't understand why people think carbon is inherently weaker or more fragile than aluminium.
My DH bike is carbon aside from the chainstays - it gets crashed onto rocks, into tree's etc with horrible frequency without any issue.
A lot of the Rampage guys were are riding carbon DH bikes this year, I don't see them hucking 40ft drops if there were concerns around the viability of carbon as a material to build frames.
My DH bike is carbon aside from the chainstays - it gets crashed onto rocks, into tree's etc with horrible frequency without any issue.
A lot of the Rampage guys were are riding carbon DH bikes this year, I don't see them hucking 40ft drops if there were concerns around the viability of carbon as a material to build frames.
joema said:
Nonsense.
Most carbon bikes have a down tube protector and you should see the destruction testing Santa Cruz do. I've had plenty of rocks bouncing off of my bikes and they've been fine.
Really, better impact resistance than Aluminium? All those down tube bash guards on carbon frames for show are they?Most carbon bikes have a down tube protector and you should see the destruction testing Santa Cruz do. I've had plenty of rocks bouncing off of my bikes and they've been fine.
I never said it was better. To dismiss carbon as for road bikes only is bs. You'll probably find your ali bike as having thin tubes to keep the overall weight down so they're comparable to carbon and as a result perhaps they dent easily?
Maybe you should get a downtube protector?
I think I've just said it's better...
Maybe you should get a downtube protector?
I think I've just said it's better...
joema said:
I never said it was better. To dismiss carbon as for road bikes only is bs. You'll probably find your ali bike as having thin tubes to keep the overall weight down so they're comparable to carbon and as a result perhaps they dent easily?
Maybe you should get a downtube protector?
I think I've just said it's better...
Don't need to it doesn't matter, Aluminium doesn't delaminate.Maybe you should get a downtube protector?
I think I've just said it's better...
From the photos from today's ride thread, 5 weeks old, even has a bash guard - now scrap, fingers crossed for the unlucky owner Yeti gives him a new one free, owner even says it was to replace another carbon frame (Specialized) damaged by a rock strike. What's hard to understand Carbon frames are much more likely to need replacing due to this type of damage than Aluminium equivalents.
I'm not fussed either way, but perhaps the rider needs to take a look at his technique if he's broken two carbon frames from two different manufacturers in a relatively short space of time?
I know a couple of big 16/17st lumps who are very good/fast who ride carbon Santa Cruz bikes without issue, conversely my neighbour who is of average build cracked his carbon 2016 Whyte when he had an OTB.
It would appear not all carbon bikes are built equal.
I'm 22st and ride an alloy Specialized that is only rated to circa 17st and the only issues I've had is to get custom wheels and both shocks rebuilt for my weight by TF Tuned, but there's no way I'd risk riding a Spesh custom frame.
And in any case, we can all spend our money on whatever we like, especially when it's bike related
I know a couple of big 16/17st lumps who are very good/fast who ride carbon Santa Cruz bikes without issue, conversely my neighbour who is of average build cracked his carbon 2016 Whyte when he had an OTB.
It would appear not all carbon bikes are built equal.
I'm 22st and ride an alloy Specialized that is only rated to circa 17st and the only issues I've had is to get custom wheels and both shocks rebuilt for my weight by TF Tuned, but there's no way I'd risk riding a Spesh custom frame.
And in any case, we can all spend our money on whatever we like, especially when it's bike related
Interesting comments on here about the carbon framed bikes. Clearly accidents will happen and some manufacturers techniques and materials will differ. Would be interested to see who does generally come out on top?? That Santa Cruz video was impressive, however not independent..
What concerns me the most is there ability to get you out riding again and the quality of their after-sales support...
Whilst I have been speaking to many bike shops in my search, I am amazed how many of them have received terrible aftercare from the vendors, from what I thought were reputed brands. That is nothing new and people do their own research on how well the manufacturers respond to issues and how quickly they can deliver parts for older bikes.
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What concerns me the most is there ability to get you out riding again and the quality of their after-sales support...
Whilst I have been speaking to many bike shops in my search, I am amazed how many of them have received terrible aftercare from the vendors, from what I thought were reputed brands. That is nothing new and people do their own research on how well the manufacturers respond to issues and how quickly they can deliver parts for older bikes.
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Coin Slot. said:
I'm not fussed either way, but perhaps the rider needs to take a look at his technique if he's broken two carbon frames from two different manufacturers in a relatively short space of time?
I thought the same. It's funny how the only people who I met and who have broken a frame have usually broken more than one...nickfrog said:
Coin Slot. said:
I'm not fussed either way, but perhaps the rider needs to take a look at his technique if he's broken two carbon frames from two different manufacturers in a relatively short space of time?
I thought the same. It's funny how the only people who I met and who have broken a frame have usually broken more than one...nickfrog said:
I thought the same. It's funny how the only people who I met and who have broken a frame have usually broken more than one...
Well, it depends really. Last season i heard one broken frame accident and it was a carbon one. He is a very good driver but it was unlucky. I don't have anything against carbon but I wouldn't personally buy carbon frame because of the price. For example Santa Cruz carbon frames are stupidly expensive. Their aluminum frames are sturdy, strong and weights about 300gr or so more. Price difference is thousand euros. I drive everything with my bike, including enduro kind of s
t, bike park, winter riding, normal group driving etc. I crash a lot and my frames is now 4 years old but still in good condition. So i personally think that high quality aluminum frame with good warranty/crash replacement has unbeatable value. I like single pivot a lot so i highly value Orange Bikes. They are always a good option. SP is so easy to maintain and with proper shock it works so well in every situation. My next bike will be either Orange Alpine or alu SC Nomad. Luckily my frame still kicks ass so i don't need to think where i can find that 3-4 thousand € for the new bike.. 
Herman Toothrot said:
Really, better impact resistance than Aluminium? All those down tube bash guards on carbon frames for show are they?
I'm with Herman, although from the perspective of carbon road bikes that have been on "holiday" and not survived the airport/bike bag/baggage handlers ordeal. Carbon and ally have different properties so certain impacts or damage will be catastrophic for one type and not the other, and vice versa.LasseV said:
Santa Cruz carbon frames are stupidly expensive
Not really any more expensive than other manufacturers for a carbon frame, but what you do get is a very good warranty that 9/10 times will get the frame replaced f.o.c if you break it. They are also one of the few manufacturers to have no rider weight limit, even on their Stigmata CX bike so they really do have faith in their own products to offer that level of guarantee.Coin Slot. said:
Not really any more expensive than other manufacturers for a carbon frame, but what you do get is a very good warranty that 9/10 times will get the frame replaced f.o.c if you break it. They are also one of the few manufacturers to have no rider weight limit, even on their Stigmata CX bike so they really do have faith in their own products to offer that level of guarantee.
You forgot to mention the really important bit that sc bikes are cool as fk :-)I like the look of their carbon wheels. Lifetime warranty and they appear to be quite tough according to danny macs video on them
Coin Slot. said:
Not really any more expensive than other manufacturers for a carbon frame, but what you do get is a very good warranty that 9/10 times will get the frame replaced f.o.c if you break it. They are also one of the few manufacturers to have no rider weight limit, even on their Stigmata CX bike so they really do have faith in their own products to offer that level of guarantee.
Yes, i know that. Their alu frames offers exact same warranty/crash replacement too. And SC alu frames are high quality, stiff etc but 1000+ euros cheaper than carbon... And nice ride Gio!
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