Which is the best Type R?
Discussion
I also accidentaly stumbled across this thread!
I own a uk ep3 and will be soon selling it for a uk dc2. The ep3 is a great car. As for comparisons, well, i guess i will have an update soon enough!
As for the s2000 being the best "factory" honda; there is a video on you tube somewhere of plato thrashing one on the track in a pre facelift ep3.
I own a uk ep3 and will be soon selling it for a uk dc2. The ep3 is a great car. As for comparisons, well, i guess i will have an update soon enough!
As for the s2000 being the best "factory" honda; there is a video on you tube somewhere of plato thrashing one on the track in a pre facelift ep3.
Edited by Lewtyper on Sunday 18th October 13:28
cougartbk said:
Hi folks, was sufing around the web for stuff, 'accidentally' came across this thread and stangely read from the 1st page all the way to the last post...
yes its about a year outdated i know.. but cant help myself, so went to register to put in my 2cents - always interesting to see what feedback will arise...
anyway, i own/drive the JDM FL EP3, and have driven an EUDM preFL EP3, and have a mate who used to have a 2000 spec JDM DC2, which I drove a number of times, enough to remember how it felt (but never on the track). Another mate has a FL JDM DC5r, but I have only driven it on the track once.
To answer the thread topic, I think the na2r, although I have never driven one. I have a best motoring vid that discusses it in depth though, and while i agree that BM is sometimes BS cos they always push the new models, u have to agree that 1270kg and 280ps in a MR format with that amount of racing technology is really no joke!
will try not to make this too long a post, so to answer about the knock on the ep3 steering? The one I have has great steering, pretty close to the DC2, but yes still short by a little. I do think that that the front MP setup improves the feel a little, although the DW is likely to have better geometry.
The EUDM preFL EP3 i tested (2 times) had bad steering feel, period! Too much assistance, no feedback... so yes, i agree with all the knocks on ep3 steering in that sense. Anyone care to comment on a EUDM FL ep3? Never had the chance to see one here in Singapore, let alone drive one. But I think the FL and pre-FL versions feel quite different on the limit, emphasis on 'think' please...
The JDM dc2 is the best, of course, in terms of edginess and rawness. The JDM FL EP3 is about 80% of it, the 20% going to better NVH, being almost 200kg heavier, and the 'smoother' nature of the K20A over the B18C. On the track, both cars are neck to neck, will all depend on the driver.
When my EP3 shocks had gone, I put on a set of Mugen matched shocks and springs, they ARE great, alhtough overpriced. Yes, there are better ones with adjustability features, but I'm no test driver, so rely on the Mugen settings, drop them in and hit the tracks! The stock suspy on the car was good, its now very good, borderline great...
JDM EP3 vs DC5? Just 10kg and 5ps apart - yes its that close. Driving enjoyment, the dc2 wins, not by a great deal, but significant enough. Track times? All 3 cars neck-to-neck, but if they are stripped out and weight becomes less of a factor, and which the right chassis/undercarriage modifications and engine tweaking (not the absurd FI types), the newer cars should edge out the DC2.
Fast road? Although I have only driven the dc2 on 'sprited road drive', i dun really bother since we're not supposed to be wringing it on public roads
I was going to raise a similar question.yes its about a year outdated i know.. but cant help myself, so went to register to put in my 2cents - always interesting to see what feedback will arise...
anyway, i own/drive the JDM FL EP3, and have driven an EUDM preFL EP3, and have a mate who used to have a 2000 spec JDM DC2, which I drove a number of times, enough to remember how it felt (but never on the track). Another mate has a FL JDM DC5r, but I have only driven it on the track once.
To answer the thread topic, I think the na2r, although I have never driven one. I have a best motoring vid that discusses it in depth though, and while i agree that BM is sometimes BS cos they always push the new models, u have to agree that 1270kg and 280ps in a MR format with that amount of racing technology is really no joke!
will try not to make this too long a post, so to answer about the knock on the ep3 steering? The one I have has great steering, pretty close to the DC2, but yes still short by a little. I do think that that the front MP setup improves the feel a little, although the DW is likely to have better geometry.
The EUDM preFL EP3 i tested (2 times) had bad steering feel, period! Too much assistance, no feedback... so yes, i agree with all the knocks on ep3 steering in that sense. Anyone care to comment on a EUDM FL ep3? Never had the chance to see one here in Singapore, let alone drive one. But I think the FL and pre-FL versions feel quite different on the limit, emphasis on 'think' please...
The JDM dc2 is the best, of course, in terms of edginess and rawness. The JDM FL EP3 is about 80% of it, the 20% going to better NVH, being almost 200kg heavier, and the 'smoother' nature of the K20A over the B18C. On the track, both cars are neck to neck, will all depend on the driver.
When my EP3 shocks had gone, I put on a set of Mugen matched shocks and springs, they ARE great, alhtough overpriced. Yes, there are better ones with adjustability features, but I'm no test driver, so rely on the Mugen settings, drop them in and hit the tracks! The stock suspy on the car was good, its now very good, borderline great...
JDM EP3 vs DC5? Just 10kg and 5ps apart - yes its that close. Driving enjoyment, the dc2 wins, not by a great deal, but significant enough. Track times? All 3 cars neck-to-neck, but if they are stripped out and weight becomes less of a factor, and which the right chassis/undercarriage modifications and engine tweaking (not the absurd FI types), the newer cars should edge out the DC2.
Fast road? Although I have only driven the dc2 on 'sprited road drive', i dun really bother since we're not supposed to be wringing it on public roads
Given that there is a huge industry in modifying EP3 Civics, can some of this dilution be 'added' back in with the correct selection of aftermarket parts to gain a driving experience closer to the DC2?
Has anyone any experience of comparing modified EP3's and DC2 Integra?
Genuinely interested (as an EP3 owner now out of warranty
) and not looking to restart any past feuds! What I am confused about is why we are compring the EP3 with the DC2 and not the EK9.
If you take the EK9, you really can see how much of a cop out the EP3 is. The EK9 was a real type R, just as the DC2 was. If you cant see how the EP3 was softened down and marketed to a broader audience your mad.
Drive or go out in an EK9 and be amazed at the difference.
There is too much debate on how the market has changed when its pure fact that the DC2 is a much Rawer car then the EP3. It's plain and simple. Go one step further with the EK9.
If you take the EK9, you really can see how much of a cop out the EP3 is. The EK9 was a real type R, just as the DC2 was. If you cant see how the EP3 was softened down and marketed to a broader audience your mad.
Drive or go out in an EK9 and be amazed at the difference.
There is too much debate on how the market has changed when its pure fact that the DC2 is a much Rawer car then the EP3. It's plain and simple. Go one step further with the EK9.
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