Nurburgring 2019
Discussion
Alot of these rentail places will offer 'insurance' to cover the excess.
For instance, for one of the Swifts, you can pay an extra 199 euros which drops the excess from 6k to 3k, and also covers barrier costs
But that would still suggest that writing an M2 off is going to be an expensive affair.
For instance, for one of the Swifts, you can pay an extra 199 euros which drops the excess from 6k to 3k, and also covers barrier costs
But that would still suggest that writing an M2 off is going to be an expensive affair.
windymissile said:
Just skipping through the site, it seems like it is 50k as Pdelamare said for the M2! Seems staggering for that car. I guess they are edging their bets a little. It wouldn't cost that to re-shell it.
Not sure if it's a typo or one of those little things you do for your whole life until someone tells you you're wrong... its "hedging your bets" not "edging"I spent decades saying "Undermiming" rather than "Undermining". I guess I thought it was about mockery, hence mimimg!
now you know
C70R said:
Digga said:
xjay1337 said:
The minute you have insurance the risks people take would go up substantially.
I'm not actually sure that is possible, given what I have personally witnessed. At least third parties might have a chance of recompense though.I'd be surprised if this is being done as a behaviour deterrent, to be honest.
TheBALDpuma said:
Not sure if it's a typo or one of those little things you do for your whole life until someone tells you you're wrong... its "hedging your bets" not "edging"
I spent decades saying "Undermiming" rather than "Undermining". I guess I thought it was about mockery, hence mimimg!
now you know
We're spitting hares now.I spent decades saying "Undermiming" rather than "Undermining". I guess I thought it was about mockery, hence mimimg!
now you know
TheBALDpuma said:
windymissile said:
Just skipping through the site, it seems like it is 50k as Pdelamare said for the M2! Seems staggering for that car. I guess they are edging their bets a little. It wouldn't cost that to re-shell it.
Not sure if it's a typo or one of those little things you do for your whole life until someone tells you you're wrong... its "hedging your bets" not "edging"I spent decades saying "Undermiming" rather than "Undermining". I guess I thought it was about mockery, hence mimimg!
now you know
Thanks for the pointer. Although i don't know when I'll need it next so will probably forget as I'm getting too old these days.
I was at the RSR day on Monday. What a place! I've been well and truly bitten by the bug!
The RSR day was a really good event, well organised and a great way to ease into driving the 'ring for the first time. Only 120 cars so we (mate and I) had plenty of laps where we only saw a few other cars on track at the same time. Shared half a day of instruction which was invaluable, the guy had us punting along at a fair pace and overtaking supposedly quicker machinery within a few laps
RE: damage/insurance - we hired a Clio RS220 from RSR. In the event of a crash, regardless of blame, we were responsible for the cost of repair, up to EUR15,000 (for total loss). We covered that with insurance through one of RSR's recommended providers, at a cost of around £250 for the full day, regardless of number of laps or kms/miles and included third party, barriers etc. The excess (for the policy, not with RSR) was £1500. RSR didn't ask if we had insurance, never mind ask for us to prove it. The T&Cs in the hire document say something along the lines of "...you are responsible for the cost of repair of any damage. You may recover these costs from a third party insurer but RSR will bill you as the hirer". They didn't pre-charge an excess to our card, I believe they only do that for the 911 GT3/RS.
Already looking at events for next year, probably with each of us taking a car over - hiring is good but its bloody expensive. There's a new ferry service being proposed to run from Rosyth (near Edinburgh) to Groningen. 20hrs chilling/sleeping on a boat plus a few hours drive either side is preferable to 18hrs driving the full way from Aberdeen! Looks like the DN events get a decent reputation on here so I'll look into those.
The RSR day was a really good event, well organised and a great way to ease into driving the 'ring for the first time. Only 120 cars so we (mate and I) had plenty of laps where we only saw a few other cars on track at the same time. Shared half a day of instruction which was invaluable, the guy had us punting along at a fair pace and overtaking supposedly quicker machinery within a few laps
RE: damage/insurance - we hired a Clio RS220 from RSR. In the event of a crash, regardless of blame, we were responsible for the cost of repair, up to EUR15,000 (for total loss). We covered that with insurance through one of RSR's recommended providers, at a cost of around £250 for the full day, regardless of number of laps or kms/miles and included third party, barriers etc. The excess (for the policy, not with RSR) was £1500. RSR didn't ask if we had insurance, never mind ask for us to prove it. The T&Cs in the hire document say something along the lines of "...you are responsible for the cost of repair of any damage. You may recover these costs from a third party insurer but RSR will bill you as the hirer". They didn't pre-charge an excess to our card, I believe they only do that for the 911 GT3/RS.
Already looking at events for next year, probably with each of us taking a car over - hiring is good but its bloody expensive. There's a new ferry service being proposed to run from Rosyth (near Edinburgh) to Groningen. 20hrs chilling/sleeping on a boat plus a few hours drive either side is preferable to 18hrs driving the full way from Aberdeen! Looks like the DN events get a decent reputation on here so I'll look into those.
At £250 /day, the insurance is the same as I get charged by my insurer on my own car. They cover UK track days, but not European. I'm told that for cars valued above £99k, the daily premium rises to £500.
I think, with regard to the rental firms, it is a double edged-sword for track day organisers. Knowing how they usually work, there is some vetting process at the time of booking. I can see that there may be pressure/potential loopholes, for clients of the rental firms.
I'm sure that track days at the 'Ring, whether organised directly by the rental firms (such as the RSR day) or by dedicated track day organisers (including UK based, like DN) are in part enabled by the lobbying effect of the rental firms. They exists to provide a service but are also part of a wider group with an interest in keeping the venue open.
If outside track day organisers hold closed events, those are days (in addition to those where there is industry testing, or actual racing/qualifying) where the rental companies cannot trade. So there is always a compromise.
I think, with regard to the rental firms, it is a double edged-sword for track day organisers. Knowing how they usually work, there is some vetting process at the time of booking. I can see that there may be pressure/potential loopholes, for clients of the rental firms.
I'm sure that track days at the 'Ring, whether organised directly by the rental firms (such as the RSR day) or by dedicated track day organisers (including UK based, like DN) are in part enabled by the lobbying effect of the rental firms. They exists to provide a service but are also part of a wider group with an interest in keeping the venue open.
If outside track day organisers hold closed events, those are days (in addition to those where there is industry testing, or actual racing/qualifying) where the rental companies cannot trade. So there is always a compromise.
WojaWabbit said:
There's a new ferry service being proposed to run from Rosyth (near Edinburgh) to Groningen. 20hrs chilling/sleeping on a boat plus a few hours drive either side is preferable to 18hrs driving the full way from Aberdeen!
Or use the Newcastle-Ijmuiden ferry route which most Scottish Nurburgringers have been using for years.RSbandit said:
Not long now until DN22! Can't wait who else is going? Has anyone ever used an instructor on the sighting laps this is something that's been suggested to me by one company, I've used instructors before of course but never on the sighting laps.
I've never used them on sighting laps, but you get an hour first thing so it could be useful to discuss certain things at a lower pace. This your first time, or are you after fine tuning your lines?
It will be my 8th and 9th track days at the Ring but in total I’ve done about a 100 laps so not a novice but still a lot of room for improving on lines etc. And of course 12 months since my last visit so will be rusty once track goes live. I’m planning to share the tuition with a friend who is still quite inexperienced having done sub 40 laps. We were thinking to do a couple of sighting laps each with the instructor but still leaving the bulk of the tuition time for when the track goes live. I can see how
having an instructor talking about lines at a slower pace without worrying about faster traffic from behind would be beneficial.
having an instructor talking about lines at a slower pace without worrying about faster traffic from behind would be beneficial.
Barry Homo said:
I really enjoyed my time with Andy Carlile. Good lad.
I bumped into him at the driver's briefing on my last DN and thought there can be few people better experienced to teach you the lines. In a specific car, perhaps there are those who might give you better advice on how to get the best from it, but learning the track itself, he's got to be right up there.
RSbandit said:
Booked with Apex who I haven’t used before but they seem like solid guys from their YouTube stuff.
A lovely bunch. You should be grand.I'd recommend a passenger lap in their M3 too, just to see what's possible. Even better if you do it on a damp circuit, with it wearing road tyres.
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