Nürburgring 2023

[honda_exige]

Looks like weekend gone was absolute carnage, saw pics of both destroyed British M2s. The big one that burned up looks like it came a cropper at the Bellof-S.

Heard air ambulance called and occupants still in Hospital but on the mend.

Must admit on previous visits not looked into it too much but does someone have a answer if the average travel insurance covers medical treatment due to trackdays/TF?

Spurred me to apply for a GHIC card as a back up anyway.

[iguana]

Just back from a much needed week off out there, lots of social & beers with mates, & cycling & a lake swim & social lots of local roads driving & fair bit of TF mainly quiet evenings as wk end is mental, just 2 laps on Sun was enough, had pals on the Circuit days TD & more on the always awesome Destination Nurburgring Ringmeisters 2 dayer, shame tues TF was cut short due to the bike spank, so only got a couple of laps in.

Fastest lap I've ever been in 20+ yrs of going and some v quick guys on RM cracking the 6.56s

oh & I think it was Rs Bandit that tried his best to knock me off my pedal bike on Monday too! Waay too close dude. (black Macca on the RM days?)

Unplanned blown up Uk car to bring back, so mine stayed out prob plan a cheeky tf evening & get it back in a couple of weeks.

Edited by iguana on Thursday 6th July 23:50

[RSbandit]

Hmm don't recall any close shaves with cyclists! Whereabouts and when was that...yep I was in a black 600LT on RM.

[fridaypassion]

It will have been cyclists fault

[Adenauer]

iguana said:

Just back from a much needed week off out there, lots of social & beers with mates, & cycling & a lake swim & social lots of local roads driving & fair bit of TF mainly quiet evenings as wk end is mental, just 2 laps on Sun was enough, had pals on the Circuit days TD & more on the always awesome Destination Nurburgring Ringmeisters 2 dayer, shame tues TF was cut short due to the bike spank, so only got a couple of laps in.

Fastest lap I've ever been in 20+ yrs of going and some v quick guys on RM cracking the 6.56s

oh & I think it was Rs Bandit that tried his best to knock me off my pedal bike on Monday too! Waay too close dude. (black Macca on the RM days?)

Unplanned blown up Uk car to bring back, so mine stayed out prob plan a cheeky tf evening & get it back in a couple of weeks.

Edited by iguana on Thursday 6th July 23:50

Hey Alex, your MX5 is a disgusting colour, well done.

Karin is still grinning from the passenger laps, so thanks for that, she absolutely loved it.

RSbandit, if you were also with a white 911 cab, you stayed next door to my house.

As a little aside, we have noticed (me, a prehistoric ringer, and my wife, a ring photographer and occasional changer of Darren's Tena pads) a real influx of lunatics during TF this year. It's difficult to put your finger on why, but it's like someone has flipped a switch and there's a new breed coming over. So many crashes and a lot of people who are really clueless, racing through yellow flags and generally doing bloody dangerous stuff, on and off the track. It's actually pretty concerning.

[honda_exige]

Adenauer said:

As a little aside, we have noticed (me, a prehistoric ringer, and my wife, a ring photographer and occasional changer of Darren's Tena pads) a real influx of lunatics during TF this year. It's difficult to put your finger on why, but it's like someone has flipped a switch and there's a new breed coming over. So many crashes and a lot of people who are really clueless, racing through yellow flags and generally doing bloody dangerous stuff, on and off the track. It's actually pretty concerning.

Unfortunately it's the new generation of MSB, DMO, Officially Gassed, Matt Armstrong, TR Hamza fans.
Thinking they're driving gods because they can do donuts while shouting Jheeze and Cmon and therefore are ready to full send the 'Ring. When their chavvy Youtuber of choice visits the Ring you see an obvious uptick of their followers visit and drive like goons.

[braddo]

Adenauer said:

... It's difficult to put your finger on why, but it's like someone has flipped a switch and there's a new breed coming over. So many crashes and a lot of people who are really clueless, racing through yellow flags and generally doing bloody dangerous stuff, on and off the track. It's actually pretty concerning.

Is this a variety of nationalities or UK in particular?

[braddo]

C70R said:

Well, tourist sessions are every bit as mad as I remember.
....

Bloody hell.

And two destroyed M2s. Insane.

It sounds like TFs are on a trajectory towards getting banned or somehow more restricted. Multiple crashes and potentially an air ambulance every weekend isn't sustainable in anyone's book.

Something like banning non-EU cars (i.e. UK) on insurance grounds is where they might start. And a total ban on in-car cameras.

[honda_exige]

braddo said:

C70R said:

Well, tourist sessions are every bit as mad as I remember.
....

Bloody hell.

And two destroyed M2s. Insane.

It sounds like TFs are on a trajectory towards getting banned or somehow more restricted. Multiple crashes and potentially an air ambulance every weekend isn't sustainable in anyone's book.

Something like banning non-EU cars (i.e. UK) on insurance grounds is where they might start. And a total ban on in-car cameras.

Most people buy a ticket digitally online now - think it would be a good idea to have an enforced online briefing before being able to buy your first ticket every year - short video of what to do with a yellow, what to look for as signs of danger. Where the most dangerous points, how to overtake, specifying that it's treated as a public road and police WILL investigate accidents would do a heck of a lot to help.

[RSbandit]

The fact you can just roll up and buy a ticket without doing a briefing or having never driven on a track before is certainly part of the problem. Throw motorcyclists into the mix and it’s a recipe for disaster . Huge amount of UK cars there over the weekend guess it was a perfect storm CD on Fri , full weekend TF and then double DN following two days. Huge accidents every week ain’t a good look.

[RSbandit]

Adenauer said:

Hey Alex, your MX5 is a disgusting colour, well done.

Karin is still grinning from the passenger laps, so thanks for that, she absolutely loved it.

RSbandit, if you were also with a white 911 cab, you stayed next door to my house.

As a little aside, we have noticed (me, a prehistoric ringer, and my wife, a ring photographer and occasional changer of Darren's Tena pads) a real influx of lunatics during TF this year. It's difficult to put your finger on why, but it's like someone has flipped a switch and there's a new breed coming over. So many crashes and a lot of people who are really clueless, racing through yellow flags and generally doing bloody dangerous stuff, on and off the track. It's actually pretty concerning.

Ah yes you had the nice Audi on the drive (S6?). I always try to stay at Martinas, my favourite lodgings when I visit but really need to book well in advance!

[Adenauer]

RSbandit said:

Adenauer said:

Hey Alex, your MX5 is a disgusting colour, well done.

Karin is still grinning from the passenger laps, so thanks for that, she absolutely loved it.

RSbandit, if you were also with a white 911 cab, you stayed next door to my house.

As a little aside, we have noticed (me, a prehistoric ringer, and my wife, a ring photographer and occasional changer of Darren's Tena pads) a real influx of lunatics during TF this year. It's difficult to put your finger on why, but it's like someone has flipped a switch and there's a new breed coming over. So many crashes and a lot of people who are really clueless, racing through yellow flags and generally doing bloody dangerous stuff, on and off the track. It's actually pretty concerning.

Ah yes you had the nice Audi on the drive (S6?). I always try to stay at Martinas, my favourite lodgings when I visit but really need to book well in advance!

S6 on the drive and my beast of a 205GTI in the garage

Martina's is VERY popular, but they tend to try and keep it quiet so she doesn't get wrong'uns, which is a good thing. It's booked up most of the time with a German couple that do TF and basically live in it for half of the year.

You'll have seen my wife and daughter (Claire and Karin) up at the DN registration, they've been doing it for years now.

[Adenauer]

braddo said:

Adenauer said:

... It's difficult to put your finger on why, but it's like someone has flipped a switch and there's a new breed coming over. So many crashes and a lot of people who are really clueless, racing through yellow flags and generally doing bloody dangerous stuff, on and off the track. It's actually pretty concerning.

Is this a variety of nationalities or UK in particular?

Hmm, how do I put this without appearing anti Brit, which I most certainly am not?

It's a variety of nationalities, the majority of which, are from the UK.

[mmm-five]

Adenauer said:

Hmm, how do I put this without appearing anti Brit, which I most certainly am not?

It's a variety of nationalities, the majority of which, are from the UK.

Some of us have never crashed at the Ring, or left coolant/oil on the track.

Although I may - when I was much younger - have performed a perfect 180º spin to turn around quickly outside Pinocchio's

[fridaypassion]

People must have short memories because TF and the Ring has been carnage for longer than Youtube has been a thing!

I have been almost every year since 2006 and although no TF any more for the las 5/6 years when we did TF weekends there was at least one DEATH every weekend usually a Motorcyclist or two this was every single time we went. I think what has increased is probably the number of visitors and certainly the behaviour of the people driving around Nurburg and Adenau. There was certainly no police presence in the early days of our trips and now you see on FB they are everywhere checking peoples cars. Its certainly a more mainstream clientele these days.

They will never close it the entire area would be screwed without the Ring there's not an awful lot else there plus they have half a billion of debt to claw back first from the stupid Boulevard fiasco.

But to say the Ring is now carnage with people crashing left and right and that's a new thing is completely wrong!

[Adenauer]

fridaypassion said:

People must have short memories because TF and the Ring has been carnage for longer than Youtube has been a thing!

I have been almost every year since 2006 and although no TF any more for the las 5/6 years when we did TF weekends there was at least one DEATH every weekend usually a Motorcyclist or two this was every single time we went. I think what has increased is probably the number of visitors and certainly the behaviour of the people driving around Nurburg and Adenau. There was certainly no police presence in the early days of our trips and now you see on FB they are everywhere checking peoples cars. Its certainly a more mainstream clientele these days.

They will never close it the entire area would be screwed without the Ring there's not an awful lot else there plus they have half a billion of debt to claw back first from the stupid Boulevard fiasco.

But to say the Ring is now carnage with people crashing left and right and that's a new thing is completely wrong!

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you on this but that is absolute rubbish. Especially the bit in bold.

There are, on average, 5 deaths per year on the ring during TF, sometimes a few more, sometimes a few less.

I live here, I have done since 1997, I built my house next to the track in 2007, my wife takes pictures of TF, EVERY DAY, I spent 3 years as a Marshal during TF. I'm not making stuff up to win internet points.

The traffic has increased as have the amount of people that drive it who are utterly clueless. Obviously I can't prove that but I say it as somebody who sees it, daily, and has done so for 26 years, so I think I'm qualified to offer my opinion.

The crashes we have seen this year, especially the heavier ones have been more frequent and heavier than previous years. It's not just the crashes though, it's also the blatant disregard for waved yellows, wandering around on the phone next to your crashed or broken down car, etc etc etc.

It's not completely wrong to say that, because it's happening. Whether you believe me or not is largely irrelevant, given the utter garbage you have written about how many people die during TF each year.

Have a nice weekend, I'm off to watch the NLS practice, from my garden.

[RSbandit]

Adenauer said:

S6 on the drive and my beast of a 205GTI in the garage

Martina's is VERY popular, but they tend to try and keep it quiet so she doesn't get wrong'uns, which is a good thing. It's booked up most of the time with a German couple that do TF and basically live in it for half of the year.

You'll have seen my wife and daughter (Claire and Karin) up at the DN registration, they've been doing it for years now.

Do you track the 205 much?! Ah your family are part of the DN team that’s nice. Yeah let’s keep schtum on Martinas we’ve probably said too much already !

[fridaypassion]

Adenauer said:

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you on this but that is absolute rubbish. Especially the bit in bold.

There are, on average, 5 deaths per year on the ring during TF, sometimes a few more, sometimes a few less.

I live here, I have done since 1997, I built my house next to the track in 2007, my wife takes pictures of TF, EVERY DAY, I spent 3 years as a Marshal during TF. I'm not making stuff up to win internet points.

The traffic has increased as have the amount of people that drive it who are utterly clueless. Obviously I can't prove that but I say it as somebody who sees it, daily, and has done so for 26 years, so I think I'm qualified to offer my opinion.

The crashes we have seen this year, especially the heavier ones have been more frequent and heavier than previous years. It's not just the crashes though, it's also the blatant disregard for waved yellows, wandering around on the phone next to your crashed or broken down car, etc etc etc.

It's not completely wrong to say that, because it's happening. Whether you believe me or not is largely irrelevant, given the utter garbage you have written about how many people die during TF each year.

Have a nice weekend, I'm off to watch the NLS practice, from my garden.

Well we all know the official stats are WAY off. Get the victims in the air ASAP and the fatality is not counted at the track. There are many many more fatalities than the stats suggest. One weekend we were there 4 people died two Bike and Pillions smashed into each other. Granted we would always go on the 4 day weekends and I guess thats statistically when they will hapen if they do happen but to say there are hardly any fatalities at the ring is very supportive of the official line but not in any way true. I would also add that in fairness in the last few years I think less bikers go to the Ring than did pre say 2015. Its really not a great place for bikers. The other thing since the management really heavily restricted youtube crash videos and started asserting their IP/Copyright news doesn't filter out of the 'Ring like it used to.

[braddo]

Adenauer said:

Have a nice weekend, I'm off to watch the NLS practice, from my garden.

Nice!

Are you somewhere near the Bistro Cockpit?

[Adenauer]

braddo said:

Nice!

Are you somewhere near the Bistro Cockpit?

Nope.

As I said, I’m not getting into a pissing contest with you. I get my information from the police and fire brigade in Adenau, both of which I have friends in. And also the management of TF. But you clearly have better sources of information so I’ll leave it at that.