Best hyper hatch for trackdays?

[M.F.D]

At that budget there is no denying the Megane is the answer. They are just so capable on track and as said, pretty much good to go out the box. Properly capable and engaging.

That said, the Cupra and the FK2 Type R would be good shouts.

For track, forget S3's, Golf R's, A45's. All dull steers compared to the Megane.

[MightyBadger]

I’m holding out getting one until the mega super duper hatches (tm) come out next year, this class doesn’t offer enough fizz.

[braddo]

MightyBadger said:

I’m holding out getting one until the mega super duper hatches (tm) come out next year, this class doesn’t offer enough fizz.

Why do you keep trolling this thread? No-one is going to stop using the hyper hatch phrase.

[CG2020UK]

braddo said:

MightyBadger said:

I’m holding out getting one until the mega super duper hatches (tm) come out next year, this class doesn’t offer enough fizz.

Why do you keep trolling this thread? No-one is going to stop using the hyper hatch phrase.

+1

[Derek182]

Hi, I was the OP
Didn't realise my use of "hyper hatch" would be controversial, to me a hot hatch is small, front wheel drive and would have been normally aspirated though maybe not these days. So a different description is needed for a Golf R, A45 etc and hyper hatch seems the most common.
I found a BMW M135i with perfect spec, coilovers, M4 suspension arms, baffled sump and an LSD, the owner had it advertised for a while and kept reducing the price, think it ended up being a £10,000 car, would have been ideal for me but I had to sell my previous car first which took too long.
An FK2 Civic sounded ideal but I couldn't find one within my £15k budget.
And I had a Leon Cupra 290 lease car a few years ago, fantastic road car but felt the weight around corners, not sure how it would have held up on track.
In general the weight and complexity of the cars I was considering put me off a bit, I was worried tyres and brakes would have got expensive on track and even road running costs would be high.
So I've just put a deposit on a hot (not hyper) hatch, 2019 Fiesta ST-1 Performance Pack, it's poverty spec so should be the lightest available, bit like a Cup version of a Clio, and was well within my budget leaving funds for a few minor mods!

[SpudLink]

Glad you found yourself a good car.

FWIW, there is nothing wrong with 'hyper' to differentiate the 300bhp 4wd cars that are a tier above the 'normal' hot hatchbacks. Linguistic shorthand to separate a Golf R from a GTi.

[edoverheels]

Derek182 said:

Hi, I was the OP
Didn't realise my use of "hyper hatch" would be controversial, to me a hot hatch is small, front wheel drive and would have been normally aspirated though maybe not these days. So a different description is needed for a Golf R, A45 etc and hyper hatch seems the most common.
I found a BMW M135i with perfect spec, coilovers, M4 suspension arms, baffled sump and an LSD, the owner had it advertised for a while and kept reducing the price, think it ended up being a £10,000 car, would have been ideal for me but I had to sell my previous car first which took too long.
An FK2 Civic sounded ideal but I couldn't find one within my £15k budget.
And I had a Leon Cupra 290 lease car a few years ago, fantastic road car but felt the weight around corners, not sure how it would have held up on track.
In general the weight and complexity of the cars I was considering put me off a bit, I was worried tyres and brakes would have got expensive on track and even road running costs would be high.
So I've just put a deposit on a hot (not hyper) hatch, 2019 Fiesta ST-1 Performance Pack, it's poverty spec so should be the lightest available, bit like a Cup version of a Clio, and was well within my budget leaving funds for a few minor mods!

I’m late to the thread but glad you have a car. Fiesta ST sounds ideal and I have wondered in the past why there are so few of them on track and they were not talked about more often as suitable track cars. They are not too heavy, not too complicated, handle very well and presumably very tuneable.
Great choice - have fun

Hyper hatches (we all know what they are) seem too complicated and too much to go wrong on track. They are missing the point somehow.

[the-norseman]

I had a 2014 Cupra 280 DSG from new which ran APR stage 2 at 420ps it went well on track, I did have an upgraded 380mm front brake set up amongst a lot of other modifications. The car easily out performed the driver.

[culpz]

Derek182 said:

Hi, I was the OP
Didn't realise my use of "hyper hatch" would be controversial, to me a hot hatch is small, front wheel drive and would have been normally aspirated though maybe not these days. So a different description is needed for a Golf R, A45 etc and hyper hatch seems the most common.
I found a BMW M135i with perfect spec, coilovers, M4 suspension arms, baffled sump and an LSD, the owner had it advertised for a while and kept reducing the price, think it ended up being a £10,000 car, would have been ideal for me but I had to sell my previous car first which took too long.
An FK2 Civic sounded ideal but I couldn't find one within my £15k budget.
And I had a Leon Cupra 290 lease car a few years ago, fantastic road car but felt the weight around corners, not sure how it would have held up on track.
In general the weight and complexity of the cars I was considering put me off a bit, I was worried tyres and brakes would have got expensive on track and even road running costs would be high.
So I've just put a deposit on a hot (not hyper) hatch, 2019 Fiesta ST-1 Performance Pack, it's poverty spec so should be the lightest available, bit like a Cup version of a Clio, and was well within my budget leaving funds for a few minor mods!

Fair enough. Fiesta ST's are cracking cars and you'll probably appreciate the smaller, lighter and more usable nature of it; especially for track work. They can obviously be fettled too pretty easily but should be pretty capable out of the box. Also, ignore the single troll; there's always one to ruin a genuine thread on here. I should be surprised considering it's a long-ish standing member but, I'm not, quite frankly.

[MightyBadger]

RB Will said:

Believe it would be approx…
Up 220bhp - warm hatch
220-350bhp - hot hatch
350+bhp- hyper hatch

Relevant to recent models anyway.

[CKY]

MightyBadger said:

RB Will said:

Believe it would be approx…
Up 220bhp - warm hatch
220-350bhp - hot hatch
350+bhp- hyper hatch

Relevant to recent models anyway.

what a nonce.

Oh for the good old days where discussions such as these would have been had in a pub bar over a couple of beers, creeps like BadgerBotherer would have kept to themselves at the 'quiet end' of the bar, lest they pop up with one of their idiotic fragments and end up getting decked in rather short order, later to be hoisted in to the car park unconscious by the ever-efficient landlord. Thank God my uncle didn't fiddle with me as a child if you're what i'd have ended up like.

[MightyBadger]

CKY said:

what a nonce.

Oh for the good old days where discussions such as these would have been had in a pub bar over a couple of beers, creeps like BadgerBotherer would have kept to themselves at the 'quiet end' of the bar, lest they pop up with one of their idiotic fragments and end up getting decked in rather short order, later to be hoisted in to the car park unconscious by the ever-efficient landlord. Thank God my uncle didn't fiddle with me as a child if you're what i'd have ended up like.

Suggest you wind the slander and personal insults in a bit and keep it about cars

Will say no more on the subject, below is a interesting read from a few years ago.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

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