Getting no where applying for roles
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No big advice here, just sending a message of encouragement for all those reading this who are between things and wondering when (or even if) they’ll get another role.
Reasons to be cheerful:
1). You only need to find one job
2). Rejections are just what the process always looks like before you find a new job.
3). Your new job is out there, waiting for you. You just have to keep looking and you’ll find it.
Reasons to be cheerful:
1). You only need to find one job
2). Rejections are just what the process always looks like before you find a new job.
3). Your new job is out there, waiting for you. You just have to keep looking and you’ll find it.
67Dino said:
No big advice here, just sending a message of encouragement for all those reading this who are between things and wondering when (or even if) they’ll get another role.
Reasons to be cheerful:
1). You only need to find one job
2). Rejections are just what the process always looks like before you find a new job.
3). Your new job is out there, waiting for you. You just have to keep looking and you’ll find it.
I can't argue with that, but it's just frustrating dealing with agencies, people who make stupid assumptions and try to pigeon hole you into sub sections of an industry you know well.Reasons to be cheerful:
1). You only need to find one job
2). Rejections are just what the process always looks like before you find a new job.
3). Your new job is out there, waiting for you. You just have to keep looking and you’ll find it.
Like telling a mechanic he can't work on a BMW because he used to work for a Ford dealer. Telling a delivery driver he can't deliver brown parcels, because he's only got experience of white ones. Telling an office worker they can't use a biro because they've only got experience of using a pencil.
Or in my case telling me I can't work on (for example) medical electronics because i've only worked on industrial, commercial and automotive electronics.
And then on top of that, if I had a degree in fine art, that would negate the lack of very specific experience and I could get any job I like.
randlemarcus said:
lyonspride said:
And then on top of that, if I had a degree in fine art, that would negate the lack of very specific experience and I could get any job I like.
To be fair, an arts degree doesn't exactly open the golden dfoors of prosperity on its own 
Well, maybe the Golden Arches...Either they have a delusional idea that university is all about hard work, or it's academic snobbery, or they want people with a lifetimes worth of debt......
Edited by lyonspride on Friday 23 July 14:58
lyonspride said:
Honestly, i've been turned away from engineering jobs because of not having "a degree in ANY subject", there's an electronics company in Ladywood Birmingham, I applied for a role there, I got not no response, I followed up by phone 4 weeks later, they told me they only employ graduates, and this lady did actually say "in any subject".
Either they have a delusional idea that university is all about hard work, or it's academic snobbery, or they want people with a lifetimes worth of debt......
It's almost like HR prefer paper to humans Either they have a delusional idea that university is all about hard work, or it's academic snobbery, or they want people with a lifetimes worth of debt......
Edited by lyonspride on Friday 23 July 14:58
If you find an employer doesn't look at years of actual experience over a degree in David Beckham studies, consider if they're going to be any more nuanced when looking at any given situation.Also, it's not just employers - colleague of mine needed an H1B for a role - because no degree, it was not possible to persuade the Yanks. Silliness.
randlemarcus said:
It's almost like HR prefer paper to humans If you find an employer doesn't look at years of actual experience over a degree in David Beckham studies, consider if they're going to be any more nuanced when looking at any given situation.
Also, it's not just employers - colleague of mine needed an H1B for a role - because no degree, it was not possible to persuade the Yanks. Silliness.
H1B specifies graduate as part of the visa requirement; it's not a matter of persuasion. If you find an employer doesn't look at years of actual experience over a degree in David Beckham studies, consider if they're going to be any more nuanced when looking at any given situation.Also, it's not just employers - colleague of mine needed an H1B for a role - because no degree, it was not possible to persuade the Yanks. Silliness.
L1 (A/B) (exec/manager) does not, plus it comes with an L2 allowing spouse/children to work and the numbers are not capped.
vaud said:
H1B specifies graduate as part of the visa requirement; it's not a matter of persuasion.
L1 (A/B) (exec/manager) does not, plus it comes with an L2 allowing spouse/children to work and the numbers are not capped.
Interesting. Could have been that the Visa department were asking for the wrong thing then. You would have thought that someone who does this for a living in a US company with 180k employees would have a flowchart - I wonder if they are an offshoot of HR L1 (A/B) (exec/manager) does not, plus it comes with an L2 allowing spouse/children to work and the numbers are not capped.
One thing that works for me. If there are any co fact details for the recruitment agency, phone. Say you've seen the role, but you are not sure whether to.spply, because you might appear a bit over qualified. Clarify the job. Be a touch arrogant, not too much, but make it clear that you can do everything and realkybenjoy doing it, and then tailor your CV exactly to the job spec. Then phone him, on the pretence that you are checking he's got your email, as you've been having some issues with email.
CV to the top of pile.
CV to the top of pile.
67Dino said:
No big advice here, just sending a message of encouragement for all those reading this who are between things and wondering when (or even if) they’ll get another role.
Reasons to be cheerful:
1). You only need to find one job
2). Rejections are just what the process always looks like before you find a new job.
3). Your new job is out there, waiting for you. You just have to keep looking and you’ll find it.
4) Quality in Quantity. Search for the right role is a full.time job. The more Good applications you get the more chance you've got. But the more disheartening it can be. Reasons to be cheerful:
1). You only need to find one job
2). Rejections are just what the process always looks like before you find a new job.
3). Your new job is out there, waiting for you. You just have to keep looking and you’ll find it.
TheAngryDog said:
I interviewed for a role 2 weeks ago, but radio silence since. I reckon I am nailed on for the job 
Tried to contact them but ghosted. Not very professional of them. Sounds like I may have dodged a bullet.
Were you going through an agency or direct to the company?Tried to contact them but ghosted. Not very professional of them. Sounds like I may have dodged a bullet.
If it was direct then, yes, you’ve dodged a bullet. If it was through an agency then you’ll find 90% of them are like that. It doesn’t take much to respond to an email or have a 1 minute conversation saying you didn’t get it, to get them off your back as much as anything, but they’ll generally ghost you.
Better luck with the next one.
I doubt its 'dodged a bullet' sometimes the sheer number of people that companies interview etc mean they don't get round to everyone right away. I've worked at places that have either let a few slip through the net or haven't been quick at providing the bad news, they weren't bad companies. Just someone who you're not going to employ and what they 'require' is some way down the order of importance to be honest.
Ok - Dodged a bullet is a bit melodramatic but I still hold that if TheAngryDog has applied directly somewhere and he’s been shortlisted for a job, interviewed but not been offered the job then the least the company could do is let him know.
If he’s being ghosted by a recruitment agency that’s par for the course. Having said that I was contacted about a next round interview this morning, after over 2 weeks. The agent said he’d been off with COVID.
If he’s being ghosted by a recruitment agency that’s par for the course. Having said that I was contacted about a next round interview this morning, after over 2 weeks. The agent said he’d been off with COVID.
I've heard something worrying from a friend recently, the company he works for has been interviewing and leaving people hanging on for weeks on end, he said he overheard his boss talking about aiming to hire people who have been made redundant and keeping them hanging in the hope that they'll accept a low ball offer out of desperation.
Honestly as if doing that sort of thing is going to get you the most talented people......... Ridiculous.
I was once advised by management consultants to advertise roles that did not exist and interview people so that I had a "pool" of talent available if we did have a job we needed to fill urgently.
It was a truly bizarre idea and gave me a distinctly off-colour view of his attitude to, well, humans.
It was a truly bizarre idea and gave me a distinctly off-colour view of his attitude to, well, humans.
Flooble said:
I was once advised by management consultants to advertise roles that did not exist and interview people so that I had a "pool" of talent available if we did have a job we needed to fill urgently.
It was a truly bizarre idea and gave me a distinctly off-colour view of his attitude to, well, humans.
Lots of companies practise a version of this. You can "register your interest" for certain types of roles with many companies directly and some companies who regularly recruit the same type of role over and over again will often advertise when they may not have an immediate need but know they will have something fairly swiftly. It was a truly bizarre idea and gave me a distinctly off-colour view of his attitude to, well, humans.
It's definitely a disheartening process.
In between being messed around by recruiters / ghosted by companies I have had interviews for, I am beginning to think that I am unemployable outside of the role that I currently have.
Anyone who thinks being ghosted by an internal recruiter for a role you've interviewed for is acceptable is crazy.
In between being messed around by recruiters / ghosted by companies I have had interviews for, I am beginning to think that I am unemployable outside of the role that I currently have.
Anyone who thinks being ghosted by an internal recruiter for a role you've interviewed for is acceptable is crazy.
TheAngryDog said:
It's definitely a disheartening process.
In between being messed around by recruiters / ghosted by companies I have had interviews for, I am beginning to think that I am unemployable outside of the role that I currently have.
Anyone who thinks being ghosted by an internal recruiter for a role you've interviewed for is acceptable is crazy.
Internal recruiter, as in works at the same firm?In between being messed around by recruiters / ghosted by companies I have had interviews for, I am beginning to think that I am unemployable outside of the role that I currently have.
Anyone who thinks being ghosted by an internal recruiter for a role you've interviewed for is acceptable is crazy.
Flooble said:
TheAngryDog said:
It's definitely a disheartening process.
In between being messed around by recruiters / ghosted by companies I have had interviews for, I am beginning to think that I am unemployable outside of the role that I currently have.
Anyone who thinks being ghosted by an internal recruiter for a role you've interviewed for is acceptable is crazy.
Internal recruiter, as in works at the same firm?In between being messed around by recruiters / ghosted by companies I have had interviews for, I am beginning to think that I am unemployable outside of the role that I currently have.
Anyone who thinks being ghosted by an internal recruiter for a role you've interviewed for is acceptable is crazy.
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