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MitchT said:
Not me this time, the OH...
Applied for a marketing director role. She has tons of experience, a marketing degree supplemented by post graduate qualifications and has spent plenty of time in the relevant sector. Didn't get an interview. Meanwhile the guy who got the job is someone familiar to both of us. He was educated and worked in a completely different profession, did a few marketing courses and somehow seems to have got traction in the field. He always came across as one of those who was good at picking a subject and talking about it with an authoritive tone, despite having relatively little fundamental knowledge. This is what seems to get you on these days, not actually having solid credibility.
If it's a one-stage interview process then that's all that the panel have to go on. Applied for a marketing director role. She has tons of experience, a marketing degree supplemented by post graduate qualifications and has spent plenty of time in the relevant sector. Didn't get an interview. Meanwhile the guy who got the job is someone familiar to both of us. He was educated and worked in a completely different profession, did a few marketing courses and somehow seems to have got traction in the field. He always came across as one of those who was good at picking a subject and talking about it with an authoritive tone, despite having relatively little fundamental knowledge. This is what seems to get you on these days, not actually having solid credibility.
To be fair to him, if he's "got traction in the field" maybe he's good at what he does?
Points taken, but it is frustrating when you apply for a job which you could do standing on your head, blindfolded with your hands tied behind you back and don't even get an interview while the person who does get it is still wet behind the ears. The women who runs the company where my best mate's wife's works constantly complains about the train wreck of an experience she has with young, inexperienced employees. Her company operates in a sector that treats young people like they are the be-all and end-all. I feel like giving her a slap!
MitchT said:
Points taken, but it is frustrating when you apply for a job which you could do standing on your head, blindfolded with your hands tied behind you back and don't even get an interview while the person who does get it is still wet behind the ears. The women who runs the company where my best mate's wife's works constantly complains about the train wreck of an experience she has with young, inexperienced employees. Her company operates in a sector that treats young people like they are the be-all and end-all. I feel like giving her a slap!
So this is more about not getting shortlisted to interview.There could be many reasons for this, including submitting a poor application, or it was a good application, but beaten on the day by even better applications.
There’s quite an art to submitting an application good enough to get shortlisted. Having very recently been on hiring panels for some quite senior public sector roles, I was once again surprised at the poor quality of applications when conducting the shortlisting.
Two perennial errors are not tailoring the application for the role (i.e. don’t send exactly the same application out to numerous roles) and telling the hiring manager what you can do, rather than that you can do the job being advertised.
rog007 said:
So this is more about not getting shortlisted to interview.
There could be many reasons for this, including submitting a poor application, or it was a good application, but beaten on the day by even better applications.
There’s quite an art to submitting an application good enough to get shortlisted. Having very recently been on hiring panels for some quite senior public sector roles, I was once again surprised at the poor quality of applications when conducting the shortlisting.
Two perennial errors are not tailoring the application for the role (i.e. don’t send exactly the same application out to numerous roles) and telling the hiring manager what you can do, rather than that you can do the job being advertised.
Sometimes it can be just the layout of a CV that does it.There could be many reasons for this, including submitting a poor application, or it was a good application, but beaten on the day by even better applications.
There’s quite an art to submitting an application good enough to get shortlisted. Having very recently been on hiring panels for some quite senior public sector roles, I was once again surprised at the poor quality of applications when conducting the shortlisting.
Two perennial errors are not tailoring the application for the role (i.e. don’t send exactly the same application out to numerous roles) and telling the hiring manager what you can do, rather than that you can do the job being advertised.
I was hiring 4 months ago and one of the CVs I got was a lady who for the first 2 sides of the document told me that she was Miss XXX (city name) and sponsored by xyz Ltd companies for her bodybuilding and only actually saw her experience for the job on the last half a page. She probably had enough experience for the job but the gist I got was that it came second to her hobbies.
Equally I had to turn down a CV from a very qualified applicant from a well known investment bank, purely because his CV was written in American jargon and I couldn't actually understand a word of it!
MitchT said:
Not me this time, the OH...
Applied for a marketing director role. She has tons of experience, a marketing degree supplemented by post graduate qualifications and has spent plenty of time in the relevant sector. Didn't get an interview. Meanwhile the guy who got the job is someone familiar to both of us. He was educated and worked in a completely different profession, did a few marketing courses and somehow seems to have got traction in the field. He always came across as one of those who was good at picking a subject and talking about it with an authoritive tone, despite having relatively little fundamental knowledge. This is what seems to get you on these days, not actually having solid credibility.
Maybe he’s better at marketing himself?Applied for a marketing director role. She has tons of experience, a marketing degree supplemented by post graduate qualifications and has spent plenty of time in the relevant sector. Didn't get an interview. Meanwhile the guy who got the job is someone familiar to both of us. He was educated and worked in a completely different profession, did a few marketing courses and somehow seems to have got traction in the field. He always came across as one of those who was good at picking a subject and talking about it with an authoritive tone, despite having relatively little fundamental knowledge. This is what seems to get you on these days, not actually having solid credibility.
MitchT said:
Not me this time, the OH...
Applied for a marketing director role. She has tons of experience, a marketing degree supplemented by post graduate qualifications and has spent plenty of time in the relevant sector. Didn't get an interview. Meanwhile the guy who got the job is someone familiar to both of us. He was educated and worked in a completely different profession, did a few marketing courses and somehow seems to have got traction in the field. He always came across as one of those who was good at picking a subject and talking about it with an authoritive tone, despite having relatively little fundamental knowledge. This is what seems to get you on these days, not actually having solid credibility.
We live in a world where BS is king, rolling turds in glitter, if you can blag it, you get the job.Applied for a marketing director role. She has tons of experience, a marketing degree supplemented by post graduate qualifications and has spent plenty of time in the relevant sector. Didn't get an interview. Meanwhile the guy who got the job is someone familiar to both of us. He was educated and worked in a completely different profession, did a few marketing courses and somehow seems to have got traction in the field. He always came across as one of those who was good at picking a subject and talking about it with an authoritive tone, despite having relatively little fundamental knowledge. This is what seems to get you on these days, not actually having solid credibility.
I work in engineering and it's full of such fools, they talk the same language as the management, throw in a few big technical words and can easily fool them.
The reason is decades of this s
t gradually spreading into the senior ranks of most businesses, to the point where management incompetence is common place, they basically trust and believe people who are just like them.lyonspride said:
MitchT said:
Not me this time, the OH...
Applied for a marketing director role. She has tons of experience, a marketing degree supplemented by post graduate qualifications and has spent plenty of time in the relevant sector. Didn't get an interview. Meanwhile the guy who got the job is someone familiar to both of us. He was educated and worked in a completely different profession, did a few marketing courses and somehow seems to have got traction in the field. He always came across as one of those who was good at picking a subject and talking about it with an authoritive tone, despite having relatively little fundamental knowledge. This is what seems to get you on these days, not actually having solid credibility.
We live in a world where BS is king, rolling turds in glitter, if you can blag it, you get the job.Applied for a marketing director role. She has tons of experience, a marketing degree supplemented by post graduate qualifications and has spent plenty of time in the relevant sector. Didn't get an interview. Meanwhile the guy who got the job is someone familiar to both of us. He was educated and worked in a completely different profession, did a few marketing courses and somehow seems to have got traction in the field. He always came across as one of those who was good at picking a subject and talking about it with an authoritive tone, despite having relatively little fundamental knowledge. This is what seems to get you on these days, not actually having solid credibility.
I work in engineering and it's full of such fools, they talk the same language as the management, throw in a few big technical words and can easily fool them.
The reason is decades of this s
t gradually spreading into the senior ranks of most businesses, to the point where management incompetence is common place, they basically trust and believe people who are just like them.Each post seems to be along the same sort of lines. Pretty strange
lyonspride said:
We live in a world where BS is king, rolling turds in glitter, if you can blag it, you get the job.
I work in engineering and it's full of such fools, they talk the same language as the management, throw in a few big technical words and can easily fool them.
The reason is decades of this st gradually spreading into the senior ranks of most businesses, to the point where management incompetence is common place, they basically trust and believe people who are just like them.
Surely you have a great opportunity to set up your own business, recruit and promote genuinely talented people, and easily outperform all those engineering companies where "management incompetence is commonplace"?I work in engineering and it's full of such fools, they talk the same language as the management, throw in a few big technical words and can easily fool them.
The reason is decades of this s
t gradually spreading into the senior ranks of most businesses, to the point where management incompetence is common place, they basically trust and believe people who are just like them.Sycamore said:
lyonspride said:
MitchT said:
Not me this time, the OH...
Applied for a marketing director role. She has tons of experience, a marketing degree supplemented by post graduate qualifications and has spent plenty of time in the relevant sector. Didn't get an interview. Meanwhile the guy who got the job is someone familiar to both of us. He was educated and worked in a completely different profession, did a few marketing courses and somehow seems to have got traction in the field. He always came across as one of those who was good at picking a subject and talking about it with an authoritive tone, despite having relatively little fundamental knowledge. This is what seems to get you on these days, not actually having solid credibility.
We live in a world where BS is king, rolling turds in glitter, if you can blag it, you get the job.Applied for a marketing director role. She has tons of experience, a marketing degree supplemented by post graduate qualifications and has spent plenty of time in the relevant sector. Didn't get an interview. Meanwhile the guy who got the job is someone familiar to both of us. He was educated and worked in a completely different profession, did a few marketing courses and somehow seems to have got traction in the field. He always came across as one of those who was good at picking a subject and talking about it with an authoritive tone, despite having relatively little fundamental knowledge. This is what seems to get you on these days, not actually having solid credibility.
I work in engineering and it's full of such fools, they talk the same language as the management, throw in a few big technical words and can easily fool them.
The reason is decades of this s
t gradually spreading into the senior ranks of most businesses, to the point where management incompetence is common place, they basically trust and believe people who are just like them.Each post seems to be along the same sort of lines. Pretty strange
singlecoil said:
I'd have to say that it sounds like his disgruntlement is based on experience and I have had similar employers in the past. Fortunately my current employer is superb in every way, as well as being very good looking.
I presume you've read the rest of Mr Pride's posting history? He seems to have had calamitous misfortune wherever he has worked; he is literally the only person in every organisation who knows what he's doing, and without exception everybody in a position of management has only got there through nepotism, an ability to speak bullst, and is only interested in promoting people who look and talk exactly like them. It really is quite remarkable how unlucky he's been with every single place he's worked.OK, new one...
Applied for a job last November. Didn't get an interview but got a "we'll keep your details on file as you're obviously a good fit for the role" type response. Now the same job has been advertised again. Do I apply again fresh or drop them an email highlighting their response last time and the fact that I'm still interested?
Applied for a job last November. Didn't get an interview but got a "we'll keep your details on file as you're obviously a good fit for the role" type response. Now the same job has been advertised again. Do I apply again fresh or drop them an email highlighting their response last time and the fact that I'm still interested?
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