Getting no where applying for roles
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It's definitely a disheartening process.
In between being messed around by recruiters / ghosted by companies I have had interviews for, I am beginning to think that I am unemployable outside of the role that I currently have.
Anyone who thinks being ghosted by an internal recruiter for a role you've interviewed for is acceptable is crazy.
In between being messed around by recruiters / ghosted by companies I have had interviews for, I am beginning to think that I am unemployable outside of the role that I currently have.
Anyone who thinks being ghosted by an internal recruiter for a role you've interviewed for is acceptable is crazy.
Flooble said:
TheAngryDog said:
It's definitely a disheartening process.
In between being messed around by recruiters / ghosted by companies I have had interviews for, I am beginning to think that I am unemployable outside of the role that I currently have.
Anyone who thinks being ghosted by an internal recruiter for a role you've interviewed for is acceptable is crazy.
Internal recruiter, as in works at the same firm?In between being messed around by recruiters / ghosted by companies I have had interviews for, I am beginning to think that I am unemployable outside of the role that I currently have.
Anyone who thinks being ghosted by an internal recruiter for a role you've interviewed for is acceptable is crazy.
Flooble said:
TheAngryDog said:
Flooble said:
TheAngryDog said:
It's definitely a disheartening process.
In between being messed around by recruiters / ghosted by companies I have had interviews for, I am beginning to think that I am unemployable outside of the role that I currently have.
Anyone who thinks being ghosted by an internal recruiter for a role you've interviewed for is acceptable is crazy.
Internal recruiter, as in works at the same firm?In between being messed around by recruiters / ghosted by companies I have had interviews for, I am beginning to think that I am unemployable outside of the role that I currently have.
Anyone who thinks being ghosted by an internal recruiter for a role you've interviewed for is acceptable is crazy.
However, with it being internal, you presumably have the ability to look up all the people who work in HR and pester some of them. Decent firms will have the org chart visible so you can go straight to the manager of the internal recruiter.
Depends how much of a fuss you want to kick up.
In terms of where you are with roles, don't be disheartened. I have seen it from both sides.
Any vacancy is swamped with unsuitable applicants that you still should filter through. So fatigue does set in when you have just sited the 100th CV from someone who can't spell and has clearly not read the job ad. And there is a temptation to dump the 101st CV onwards, especially if number 99 was a good enough fit. If your CV happened to be number 101 then you are out of luck.
I also see CVs from people who somehow magically tick every single box that HR added to the description. It's obvious they have just written a tailored CV but nothing you can do about it except bring them in for interview and try to expose the lies. There is a somewhat famous story about just how stupid the buzzword shopping has become: https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/05/infinidash/
Similarly from the other side, if you aren't spending hours tailoring your CV to each application you probably won't get very far. You will also likely become disheartened at the laundry list of requirements on the jobs ads, most of which weren't put there by the hiring manager.
By far the best way to find a role, if you possibly can, is to network. However you choose to do that - ring up old friends who you used to work with; start leaving comments on Blogs/LinkedIn Posts/whatever; go to some events where people in the same industry may hang out. Bypassing HR and having an "inside man" will get you a lot further - but I will say that I was once put forward for a role by someone who worked in the firm already and got absolutely nowhere. It was a perfect fit and my "inside man" was a Director of the firm ... but HR still managed to mess it up!
So don't give up, as someone said above, you only need one job. Or to put it another way, you are a salesman but you only have to make one sale!
I have 3 interviews this week. 1 is a 2nd interview in person so see how that goes.
CoupeKid said:
I hope TheAngryDog is seeing more progress than me.
There’s a job I’m very keen on, mainly because the manager seems a very decent bloke but also because of the breadth of the role, which I had a first interview for in mid July. Although feedback was supposed to be quick I didn’t hear until the end of July. Apparently the recruitment consultant had had Covid.
I had a Teams call with the manager and my potential colleague last Tuesday, and they were supposed to give feedback to the consultant by last Friday.
On Monday I followed up and was told they really liked me but no decision had been made yet.
It’s now Wednesday and I’m continuing to interview elsewhere, for more money but not such an interesting job or appealing environment.
I suppose they are busy and this is a new role so perhaps not urgent but I wonder what they would be like to work for if this is their idea of moving fast and if they are prepared to risk good candidates going elsewhere.
Nope, no progress at all. Had a few second interviews, but thanks but no thanks. I am learning a lot about myself and about the interviewers. I know what I need to work on and know what I am strong on. There’s a job I’m very keen on, mainly because the manager seems a very decent bloke but also because of the breadth of the role, which I had a first interview for in mid July. Although feedback was supposed to be quick I didn’t hear until the end of July. Apparently the recruitment consultant had had Covid.
I had a Teams call with the manager and my potential colleague last Tuesday, and they were supposed to give feedback to the consultant by last Friday.
On Monday I followed up and was told they really liked me but no decision had been made yet.
It’s now Wednesday and I’m continuing to interview elsewhere, for more money but not such an interesting job or appealing environment.
I suppose they are busy and this is a new role so perhaps not urgent but I wonder what they would be like to work for if this is their idea of moving fast and if they are prepared to risk good candidates going elsewhere.
I have a second interview lined up for next week. If nothing comes from that then I am going to put my hunt on hiatus and do get some certificates to back up my skills, knowledge and experience.
Good luck to you in your search!
okgo said:
What are they telling you?
Re coupekid, that is entirely normal of a great many companies that are good places to work. I got offered a job at one of the largest companies there is in a decent level of position and it took months, and there was a lot of delays between rounds. As much as you may think your interview process is the most important thing in your world, it generally is far from it in theirs, unless you're going to be C-suite or similar.
Well, that depends. Up to now all feedback has been vague. It is what I am telling myself that is driving me. Re coupekid, that is entirely normal of a great many companies that are good places to work. I got offered a job at one of the largest companies there is in a decent level of position and it took months, and there was a lot of delays between rounds. As much as you may think your interview process is the most important thing in your world, it generally is far from it in theirs, unless you're going to be C-suite or similar.
LunarOne said:
TheAngryDog said:
Another interview and another rejection.
I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but are you sure you look presentable? I'm assuming these interviews are taking place over zoom or similar, but only Boris Johnson could get a job with his haircut. Everyone else needs to make some sort of effort before getting a new role. Make sure you've shaved or that your facial hair is neat and tidy. And if you have a lockdown mullet, have it seen to. I don't know how you sound but I wouldn't want to hire anyone who uses "like" excessively, or "somefing", "innit" or even "sat" for a professional role unless they were head and shoulders above the competition in terms of experience or recommendation.My issue seems to be that I lack experience. The most recent one was very much BS and I just don't think my face fitted.
spikeyhead said:
TheAngryDog said:
Another interview and another rejection.
Where abouts are you?There's probably someone on here near to you that can give you some practice interviews. It's a skill that can be learned, but it does need practice.
okgo said:
"The most recent one was very much BS and I just don't think my face fitted."
Have you read back through your posts? They are all like this, you're the victim, constantly. Do you think you're exhibiting the wrong attitude in interviews? Because if you haven't noticed how you come across on here, it's very likely you're giving off a vibe in person too.
I don't think I am the victim at all, but I can see how that may come across. I know my failings, I know what I need to improve on and I know certain decisions that I have made during my working life have got me where I am today, rather than where I could have been. Have you read back through your posts? They are all like this, you're the victim, constantly. Do you think you're exhibiting the wrong attitude in interviews? Because if you haven't noticed how you come across on here, it's very likely you're giving off a vibe in person too.
I'd like to think that I come across well in interviews, but I aren't the best judge of that.
lyonspride said:
TheAngryDog said:
okgo said:
"The most recent one was very much BS and I just don't think my face fitted."
Have you read back through your posts? They are all like this, you're the victim, constantly. Do you think you're exhibiting the wrong attitude in interviews? Because if you haven't noticed how you come across on here, it's very likely you're giving off a vibe in person too.
I don't think I am the victim at all, but I can see how that may come across. I know my failings, I know what I need to improve on and I know certain decisions that I have made during my working life have got me where I am today, rather than where I could have been. Have you read back through your posts? They are all like this, you're the victim, constantly. Do you think you're exhibiting the wrong attitude in interviews? Because if you haven't noticed how you come across on here, it's very likely you're giving off a vibe in person too.
I'd like to think that I come across well in interviews, but I aren't the best judge of that.
What I am learning though is that obviously I aren't as experienced etc as I thought I was, so I need to change that. I just don't know how.
Thanks. I actually manage the IT for my company as well as manage the service desk. My experience is all in Windows, oracle cloud, azure, office365 etc, but not got involved in terraform etc yet.
My plan is to undertake the Azure exams and courses, but it's no substitute for experience.
My plan is to undertake the Azure exams and courses, but it's no substitute for experience.
Ridealong said:
Apologies if someone has mentioned this already, free Azure as well as other fundamentals training courses and some of the courses include a free exam.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/events/training-da...
Thanks, that is useful, much appreciated.https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/events/training-da...
In other news, I am having a final interview on Friday for a role. This will be about the 4th or 5th final interview so hopefully something comes of this one!
Gerradi said:
Angry, tuck that lovely M5 away wait for better times, good luck in obtaining your dream job my friend! ....( ex Amg 55) bud bud!
Hahaha, cheers! I think whatever happens it'll be going, need a break from expensive cars!Thanks again everyone up to now. I am going to be taking a break from job applications if things don't work with the current two. I have an informal chat coming up with one, and I find out the result of another interview later hopefully.
The feedback that I have been getting lately is that I come across well (no mullet lol) and that I am good technically, but lack experience in some of the things that they need. Fair enough and it gives me something to aim for, though I aren't sure how to get the experience if no one will give me the job to get the experience, but that's for another day
.Stick a fork in me for I am done.
Had 2 interviews for a role, recruiter told me everything was positive, they'd told him that they were going to offer me the job. He of course told me (maybe he shouldn't have). Happy days, found a job I wanted to do.
This was last week.
Today still no offer. "Oh, that's because the person who managed the department is no longer managing the department, and the new manager thinks you're missing some things technically, so while they were really positive about you etc, they've decided to withdraw".
Oh.
You'd think that this reshuffle had been decided before my interview last Wednesday, so why waste my time?
So that's it, I've officially had enough of job hunting for now.
Had 2 interviews for a role, recruiter told me everything was positive, they'd told him that they were going to offer me the job. He of course told me (maybe he shouldn't have). Happy days, found a job I wanted to do.
This was last week.
Today still no offer. "Oh, that's because the person who managed the department is no longer managing the department, and the new manager thinks you're missing some things technically, so while they were really positive about you etc, they've decided to withdraw".
Oh.
You'd think that this reshuffle had been decided before my interview last Wednesday, so why waste my time?
So that's it, I've officially had enough of job hunting for now.
Lucas Ayde said:
TheAngryDog said:
Stick a fork in me for I am done.
Had 2 interviews for a role, recruiter told me everything was positive, they'd told him that they were going to offer me the job. He of course told me (maybe he shouldn't have). Happy days, found a job I wanted to do.
This was last week.
Today still no offer. "Oh, that's because the person who managed the department is no longer managing the department, and the new manager thinks you're missing some things technically, so while they were really positive about you etc, they've decided to withdraw".
Oh.
You'd think that this reshuffle had been decided before my interview last Wednesday, so why waste my time?
So that's it, I've officially had enough of job hunting for now.
Most recruiters are completely full of BS (not all, but most) and are just trying to push as many candidates as they can towards a position in the hope of making a score on the finders fee if one of their candidates gets the job. Quite often they have absolutely no idea whatsoever about the technical side (in an IT context) and will happily recommend people who are totally unsuitable for the position just to get the numbers in their favour,Had 2 interviews for a role, recruiter told me everything was positive, they'd told him that they were going to offer me the job. He of course told me (maybe he shouldn't have). Happy days, found a job I wanted to do.
This was last week.
Today still no offer. "Oh, that's because the person who managed the department is no longer managing the department, and the new manager thinks you're missing some things technically, so while they were really positive about you etc, they've decided to withdraw".
Oh.
You'd think that this reshuffle had been decided before my interview last Wednesday, so why waste my time?
So that's it, I've officially had enough of job hunting for now.
To that end, they'll say whatever it takes to get you to apply and keep you interested even if it's clearly not the job for you.
You just have to play the game, look at the requirements that the job has (as listed by the employer, not what the recruiter tells you - get them to send you the details) and choose the ones you are actually suited for. And not take anything for granted until you get the actual job offer.
Over time you will learn to pick out the good recruiters and maybe even use them again when moving jobs.
I need a break, reset, get back into a good place mentally as this process has rocked me and go again after some re-evaluation and extra learning.
CoupeKid said:
I feel for you mate, I really do.
The new head of department probably has his own ideas what the job requirements are and what sort of person he’s looking for.
The timing leaves a lot to be desired though.
It won’t make you feel any better but back in the summer I had a telephone screening with the hiring manager which went ok, a Zoom call with the manager which must have gone ok, a Zoom with the legal counsel, which seemed to go ok, a presentation to the hiring manager which went ok followed by a Zoom with the COO who seemed to take against me. The recruiter reckoned I had an 80% chance of getting the job. I was rejected as “a poor organisational fit”, whatever that means.
Cheers. Just something else to chalk down to experience. It staggers me how companies think they can get away with it, and often they can. The new head of department probably has his own ideas what the job requirements are and what sort of person he’s looking for.
The timing leaves a lot to be desired though.
It won’t make you feel any better but back in the summer I had a telephone screening with the hiring manager which went ok, a Zoom call with the manager which must have gone ok, a Zoom with the legal counsel, which seemed to go ok, a presentation to the hiring manager which went ok followed by a Zoom with the COO who seemed to take against me. The recruiter reckoned I had an 80% chance of getting the job. I was rejected as “a poor organisational fit”, whatever that means.
Definitely doesn't make me feel any better, companies shouldn't be allowed to treat people like that. There isn't any recourse to it so they're just free to do what they want sadly.
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