Discrimination of injured military vets?
Discussion
5ohmustang said:
Thanks for your service brother. Active duty Army here. When you ets'd did you go tho acap? They should have squared you away. Acap is now called the soldier for life program. I'm not close to ets'ing but my friends and one of my soldier's is acapping. If there is anything I can do, email me from my profile.
If you come back make sure you list the medical discharge, you sacrificed a part of your life and employers, especially veteran employers will give your priority (which they should).
Since you was med boarded did you get your g.i. bill?
Every week on post they have job fairs for acappers and i've been told there's a lot of them signing people on the spot. I'm sure as a vet you can walk in.
Have a hoah day!
I had my doubts, but I've now decided you're someone's idea of a comedy character.If you come back make sure you list the medical discharge, you sacrificed a part of your life and employers, especially veteran employers will give your priority (which they should).
Since you was med boarded did you get your g.i. bill?
Every week on post they have job fairs for acappers and i've been told there's a lot of them signing people on the spot. I'm sure as a vet you can walk in.
Have a hoah day!
I spoke to my friend who was at the acap job fair last week. He said 60-70 soldiers/officers were hired on the spot and had jobs waiting for them at the end of terminal leave.
It does not matter in your case if you have already ets'd as in your case, the soldier for life centers will assist you whether or not you used the g.i. bill. Find a post that has one and bring your DD214. You know if you get a federal job you can continue with your federal pension where you left off, so you will have 17 years left.
It does not matter in your case if you have already ets'd as in your case, the soldier for life centers will assist you whether or not you used the g.i. bill. Find a post that has one and bring your DD214. You know if you get a federal job you can continue with your federal pension where you left off, so you will have 17 years left.
5ohmustang said:
I spoke to my friend who was at the acap job fair last week. He said 60-70 soldiers/officers were hired on the spot and had jobs waiting for them at the end of terminal leave.
It does not matter in your case if you have already ets'd as in your case, the soldier for life centers will assist you whether or not you used the g.i. bill. Find a post that has one and bring your DD214. You know if you get a federal job you can continue with your federal pension where you left off, so you will have 17 years left.
I live in the UK so none of the benefits are of any use at all to me here. I went through MEP's in South Dakota and enjoyed the wonderful joy of FT Leonard Wood and Ft Knox. What was your MOS? I was 88M.It does not matter in your case if you have already ets'd as in your case, the soldier for life centers will assist you whether or not you used the g.i. bill. Find a post that has one and bring your DD214. You know if you get a federal job you can continue with your federal pension where you left off, so you will have 17 years left.
Countdown said:
Something made me wonder.... Does the U.S. Military carry out psychological evaluations of recruits or is it just physical tests?
Just physical. At your main medical you get to do a duck walk and then have your bum inspected. Me and my battle buddy had to baby sit those on suicide watch during reception and then sometimes in BCT. They get their belts, shoe laces, pens and all sorts that they could use to harm themselves or others with taken off them. They are sometimes sent to the mental ward in the main base hospital. They mostly get an entry level separation discharge for failure to adapt. There is a unit in BCT for total screw ups who are getting chaptered out. They get treated like dirt. My battle and I got pulled out of our bay at about midnight to go to the ER with this crazy guy from Texas who was claiming he was going to kill himself. The ER doctor who was a former Marine went mad at him for wasting everybodies time enlisting. It costs a lot of money to send a recruit. There might be evaluations now but when I was in, there was none.
On first day in BCT we go through "shark attack". It is full on physical and mental. The drill SGT's gather around one soldier for example, screaming and shouting at them, pick up your gear, drop your gear, drop and give 30 so forth. It is intense and you do see some fall out just from that and end up on suicide watch.
DocJock said:
Ex British Forces here. Genuine question.
How does emailing info to some random internet bloke you've never clapped eyes on square with your opsec?
I can tell from his posts he is not full of sHow does emailing info to some random internet bloke you've never clapped eyes on square with your opsec?
t. I've met stolen valor stbags before. I have also read his other posts. In the grand scheme of things, telling someone your mos is not that of a big deal or violating any regulations. However I do not know who is reading these public forums and there are a fair share of cockmeisters on here, so I'd rather keep the info to a minimum. All the pics I post are either sanitized or in the public domain.
Countdown is a piss taker, this is one of many times.
I'll take the time and liberty to explain this for others who are genuinely interested and not piss takers.
Docjock, I know you can go on google, research mos's, base locations etc but there's a whole culture to the U.S. Army like I am sure there is with the British Army. Our Army is so big there are subcultures within subcultures. Phrases, traditions, exercises, cadences etc.
Knowledge of meps, bct, ait.
Terms like my battle, battle buddy, soldiers creed and all the other creeds, the administration side like chaptering, articles of ucmj, shark attack etc. Trust me, there is only so much you can read up on and fake it.
I bet if I was face to face with the op I could sing a line of cadence " Hi ho, lock and load, The engines are running we're ready to go, To kill the enemy, take control, So early in the morning"
He would reply "M-1s on the hill
The tank commander is ready to kill
He gives the order "fire at will"
So early in the morning"
Obviously, this is the internet and anyone can google cadences and find the response. In person, if someone is bullstting it's really easy to spot a fake. It is quite comical people on here have accused me of making this up.
There is no psychological assessment when joining as such. The recruiter will speak to the potiential recruit to get a basic understanding of him or her, that's all.
Meps is more involving, they will review your historical medical records and decide whether the potiential recruit is fit to join. If you have evidence of psychological issues or have taken certain medication you're barred for enlistment. Certain things you can get a waiver for.
At bct which is basic training, it's the Drill Sgt's job to break the civillian. To weed out those who are psychologically/physically not tough enough and cannot adapt. I was much older than the rest of those in my platoon and tried to be the gray man, keep my head down. However as soon as they heard my accent, the whole company knew me.
I remember reception well, not a nice experience. The first morning, waking up at dead o'clock thinking wtf did I sign up for. Standing in formation for hours, being shouted at for no reason. There is a method behind the madness, the Army does this very, very well.
Yes the shark attack, hahaha. I wish someone had recorded it and I could watch it now. I remember guys pissing themselves because they were too scared to ask to go to the latrine. It sucked, but we all embraced the suck together. Which is why soldiers get along best with other soldiers. Veterans like to be around veterans. We can relate to each others experiences.
We decorate our vehicles with unit emblems, veteran of .... war license plates not because we are showing off, but because we have a common bond.
When I see a Vietnam vet who served 45 years ago, I thank him for his service and I can relate to him, the traditions, procedures, duties etc. Traditions runs deep.
I also had to watch soliders on suicide watch. One very recently. Whatever there reason is, you don't take the piss out of them. They need help. Everyone hurts and everyone is different.
Without getting too detailed, there are things in place that measures the psychological and physical performance over set time periods that are monitored regularly.
There are assets in place to help soldiers. Having said all of that it is the nco's responsibility to know their soldiers, know the family, concerns, fears, aspirations and always place the soldiers needs above their own.
Should the soldier not come forward on their issues, it is their nco who needs to take initiative in the absense of orders.
All in all, there are good days and there are bad days. It is what you make of it.
One team, one fight.
I'll take the time and liberty to explain this for others who are genuinely interested and not piss takers.
Docjock, I know you can go on google, research mos's, base locations etc but there's a whole culture to the U.S. Army like I am sure there is with the British Army. Our Army is so big there are subcultures within subcultures. Phrases, traditions, exercises, cadences etc.
Knowledge of meps, bct, ait.
Terms like my battle, battle buddy, soldiers creed and all the other creeds, the administration side like chaptering, articles of ucmj, shark attack etc. Trust me, there is only so much you can read up on and fake it.
I bet if I was face to face with the op I could sing a line of cadence " Hi ho, lock and load, The engines are running we're ready to go, To kill the enemy, take control, So early in the morning"
He would reply "M-1s on the hill
The tank commander is ready to kill
He gives the order "fire at will"
So early in the morning"
Obviously, this is the internet and anyone can google cadences and find the response. In person, if someone is bulls
tting it's really easy to spot a fake. It is quite comical people on here have accused me of making this up.There is no psychological assessment when joining as such. The recruiter will speak to the potiential recruit to get a basic understanding of him or her, that's all.
Meps is more involving, they will review your historical medical records and decide whether the potiential recruit is fit to join. If you have evidence of psychological issues or have taken certain medication you're barred for enlistment. Certain things you can get a waiver for.
At bct which is basic training, it's the Drill Sgt's job to break the civillian. To weed out those who are psychologically/physically not tough enough and cannot adapt. I was much older than the rest of those in my platoon and tried to be the gray man, keep my head down. However as soon as they heard my accent, the whole company knew me.
I remember reception well, not a nice experience. The first morning, waking up at dead o'clock thinking wtf did I sign up for. Standing in formation for hours, being shouted at for no reason. There is a method behind the madness, the Army does this very, very well.
Yes the shark attack, hahaha. I wish someone had recorded it and I could watch it now. I remember guys pissing themselves because they were too scared to ask to go to the latrine. It sucked, but we all embraced the suck together. Which is why soldiers get along best with other soldiers. Veterans like to be around veterans. We can relate to each others experiences.
We decorate our vehicles with unit emblems, veteran of .... war license plates not because we are showing off, but because we have a common bond.
When I see a Vietnam vet who served 45 years ago, I thank him for his service and I can relate to him, the traditions, procedures, duties etc. Traditions runs deep.
I also had to watch soliders on suicide watch. One very recently. Whatever there reason is, you don't take the piss out of them. They need help. Everyone hurts and everyone is different.
Without getting too detailed, there are things in place that measures the psychological and physical performance over set time periods that are monitored regularly.
There are assets in place to help soldiers. Having said all of that it is the nco's responsibility to know their soldiers, know the family, concerns, fears, aspirations and always place the soldiers needs above their own.
Should the soldier not come forward on their issues, it is their nco who needs to take initiative in the absense of orders.
All in all, there are good days and there are bad days. It is what you make of it.
One team, one fight.
Edited by 5ohmustang on Tuesday 18th October 18:34
I'm most certainly not a "fake" and bloody well don't need to prove poop to anyone. I have my framed Army photos on the living room wall. People who know me in real life all know and I find it really strange that becuase I'm married to an American, that I could not have possibly been in the US Military? Go to any BCT place and you will see people from all over the world. We had Asians with a green card, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans. In fact, one of my DS's was a Puerto Rican. There are British citizens in the US military and omg shock horror, some are even high speed mofos in Rangers and other more elite groups. But anyway, I still have my CAC card and my DD214. Recently watched on CH4 A documentary about training for the Royal Marines and omg there was a foreigner. An egyptian.
5ohmustang said:
Countdown is a piss taker, this is one of many times.
I'll take the time and liberty to explain this for others who are genuinely interested and not piss takers.
Docjock, I know you can go on google, research mos's, base locations etc but there's a whole culture to the U.S. Army like I am sure there is with the British Army. Our Army is so big there are subcultures within subcultures. Phrases, traditions, exercises, cadences etc.
Knowledge of meps, bct, ait.
Terms like my battle, battle buddy, soldiers creed and all the other creeds, the administration side like chaptering, articles of ucmj, shark attack etc. Trust me, there is only so much you can read up on and fake it.
I bet if I was face to face with the op I could sing a line of cadence " Hi ho, lock and load, The engines are running we're ready to go, To kill the enemy, take control, So early in the morning"
He would reply "M-1s on the hill
The tank commander is ready to kill
He gives the order "fire at will"
So early in the morning"
Obviously, this is the internet and anyone can google cadences and find the response. In person, if someone is bullstting it's really easy to spot a fake. It is quite comical people on here have accused me of making this up.
There is no psychological assessment when joining as such. The recruiter will speak to the potiential recruit to get a basic understanding of him or her, that's all.
Meps is more involving, they will review your historical medical records and decide whether the potiential recruit is fit to join. If you have evidence of psychological issues or have taken certain medication you're barred for enlistment. Certain things you can get a waiver for.
At bct which is basic training, it's the Drill Sgt's job to break the civillian. To weed out those who are psychologically/physically not tough enough and cannot adapt. I was much older than the rest of those in my platoon and tried to be the gray man, keep my head down. However as soon as they heard my accent, the whole company knew me.
I remember reception well, not a nice experience. The first morning, waking up at dead o'clock thinking wtf did I sign up for. Standing in formation for hours, being shouted at for no reason. There is a method behind the madness, the Army does this very, very well.
Yes the shark attack, hahaha. I wish someone had recorded it and I could watch it now. I remember guys pissing themselves because they were too scared to ask to go to the latrine. It sucked, but we all embraced the suck together. Which is why soldiers get along best with other soldiers. Veterans like to be around veterans. We can relate to each others experiences.
We decorate our vehicles with unit emblems, veteran of .... war license plates not because we are showing off, but because we have a common bond.
When I see a Vietnam vet who served 45 years ago, I thank him for his service and I can relate to him, the traditions, procedures, duties etc. Traditions runs deep.
I also had to watch soliders on suicide watch. One very recently. Whatever there reason is, you don't take the piss out of them. They need help. Everyone hurts and everyone is different.
Without getting too detailed, there are things in place that measures the psychological and physical performance over set time periods that are monitored regularly.
There are assets in place to help soldiers. Having said all of that it is the nco's responsibility to know their soldiers, know the family, concerns, fears, aspirations and always place the soldiers needs above their own.
Should the soldier not come forward on their issues, it is their nco who needs to take initiative in the absense of orders.
All in all, there are good days and there are bad days. It is what you make of it.
One team, one fight.
Bct pics:
BRM
Love it.I'll take the time and liberty to explain this for others who are genuinely interested and not piss takers.
Docjock, I know you can go on google, research mos's, base locations etc but there's a whole culture to the U.S. Army like I am sure there is with the British Army. Our Army is so big there are subcultures within subcultures. Phrases, traditions, exercises, cadences etc.
Knowledge of meps, bct, ait.
Terms like my battle, battle buddy, soldiers creed and all the other creeds, the administration side like chaptering, articles of ucmj, shark attack etc. Trust me, there is only so much you can read up on and fake it.
I bet if I was face to face with the op I could sing a line of cadence " Hi ho, lock and load, The engines are running we're ready to go, To kill the enemy, take control, So early in the morning"
He would reply "M-1s on the hill
The tank commander is ready to kill
He gives the order "fire at will"
So early in the morning"
Obviously, this is the internet and anyone can google cadences and find the response. In person, if someone is bulls
tting it's really easy to spot a fake. It is quite comical people on here have accused me of making this up.There is no psychological assessment when joining as such. The recruiter will speak to the potiential recruit to get a basic understanding of him or her, that's all.
Meps is more involving, they will review your historical medical records and decide whether the potiential recruit is fit to join. If you have evidence of psychological issues or have taken certain medication you're barred for enlistment. Certain things you can get a waiver for.
At bct which is basic training, it's the Drill Sgt's job to break the civillian. To weed out those who are psychologically/physically not tough enough and cannot adapt. I was much older than the rest of those in my platoon and tried to be the gray man, keep my head down. However as soon as they heard my accent, the whole company knew me.
I remember reception well, not a nice experience. The first morning, waking up at dead o'clock thinking wtf did I sign up for. Standing in formation for hours, being shouted at for no reason. There is a method behind the madness, the Army does this very, very well.
Yes the shark attack, hahaha. I wish someone had recorded it and I could watch it now. I remember guys pissing themselves because they were too scared to ask to go to the latrine. It sucked, but we all embraced the suck together. Which is why soldiers get along best with other soldiers. Veterans like to be around veterans. We can relate to each others experiences.
We decorate our vehicles with unit emblems, veteran of .... war license plates not because we are showing off, but because we have a common bond.
When I see a Vietnam vet who served 45 years ago, I thank him for his service and I can relate to him, the traditions, procedures, duties etc. Traditions runs deep.
I also had to watch soliders on suicide watch. One very recently. Whatever there reason is, you don't take the piss out of them. They need help. Everyone hurts and everyone is different.
Without getting too detailed, there are things in place that measures the psychological and physical performance over set time periods that are monitored regularly.
There are assets in place to help soldiers. Having said all of that it is the nco's responsibility to know their soldiers, know the family, concerns, fears, aspirations and always place the soldiers needs above their own.
Should the soldier not come forward on their issues, it is their nco who needs to take initiative in the absense of orders.
All in all, there are good days and there are bad days. It is what you make of it.
One team, one fight.
Bct pics:
BRM
You never forget your day traveling to BCT. Our plane was delayed to Chicago and from there we flew to St Louis, MO. Sat in the USO, who despite having free internet have the slowest PC's in the world. Nobody was allowed to go into the back area to sleep in the beds. On to the bus and arrived at FLW at near midnight. DS was straight on and shouting at us. This is the US Army, your mommy is not here to help you etc etc. Took into reception and I always remember everybody fumbling about trying to use their phonecall to say htey were safe. Like yourself we had next to no sleep at all before lights on. We were stood out in formation freezing in our trendy PT's. Walked down to the chow hall and we were all starving, sat down and about 60 seconds later "OK Bravo, you're done". That was probably the worse part of reception, learning how to hoover food. Keep your toes to the line when getting food. "Yes Sir, Yes Maam".
When we got issued our rifles from store I was standing in line to get chow and DS went mad at me saying I had killed the battle next to me. I had to write a letter to his Mother and later that night in our bay when we toed the line, I had to read it out loud lol. Happened to a view people. I also once when we were going to our medical training had forgot the magazine. I nearly got an A15 for that.
Love your photo of the gas chamber. Did you have to flap your arms like a bird after it? It was horrible. We had to lift ours up and off and try to say the creed. I got about 20 seconds in. Anyway, going to work in 20 minutes but look forward to reading more.
Dear god I've not seen those high-viz jackets in a long time. I use to hate being picked to wear it and having to run ahead of the unit all the time to stop traffic. Safety first and all that. Your AIT photo, were you in engineers? I was in BCT with a lot of 21B's. About 3 guys were going on to EOD. I know 88M was a dangerous MOS but I would rather that over EOD.
Haha yes, roadguard. Position yourself in the central part formation so you could avoid having to run ahead or catch up after staying behind. A-TRAIN!
Yes I agree, 88m can be dangerous. Many have been killed since the WOT. Long hours running supplies between the cops and fobs. Mind you distro and transportation is where all the good snacks came from. I used to be able to get cases of cliff bars from our transportation company.
Eod is a very cool mos. Their ait has a high drop out rate. If you fail the weekly tests, you are recycled to another mos at the needs of army.
Join Eod end up being a laundry specialist.
The eod peeps I have met enjoy their job. They get a lot of cool st.
Yes I agree, 88m can be dangerous. Many have been killed since the WOT. Long hours running supplies between the cops and fobs. Mind you distro and transportation is where all the good snacks came from. I used to be able to get cases of cliff bars from our transportation company.
Eod is a very cool mos. Their ait has a high drop out rate. If you fail the weekly tests, you are recycled to another mos at the needs of army.
Join Eod end up being a laundry specialist.
The eod peeps I have met enjoy their job. They get a lot of cool s
t. burritoNinja said:
Dear god I've not seen those high-viz jackets in a long time. I use to hate being picked to wear it and having to run ahead of the unit all the time to stop traffic. Safety first and all that. Your AIT photo, were you in engineers? I was in BCT with a lot of 21B's. About 3 guys were going on to EOD. I know 88M was a dangerous MOS but I would rather that over EOD.
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