PIP

[Kermit power]

stuthe said:

CV

Recruiters

Now

IMO

Plus try to fix what’s wrong at work, but better to jump than be pushed !

How quaint!

Do any of those still exist? I've just gone through my first external move in a decade and I was shocked at how close LinkedIn seems to have pushed them to the brink of extinction.

[Mr Dendrite]

If you want to fight this get professional advice.
When they give you the written PIP it must have clearly state where your performance has failed to meet requirements, what has to been done to meet improve, performance targets with reasonable time lines and the PIP must have a start and end date. They must give you time to review it before signing. If you sign it you are agreeing to it and effectively accepting the failings.
If you choose to fight it go through the PIP line by line and state why you disagree with each and every item. Not just an overall statement saying you disagree, be specific.
It will make no difference at this point, they will still apply the PIP, but it shows you’re up for the fight.
If you decide to go for it and fight it do not underestimate the strain it can put on you but it can be done. Ask me how I know
However all you are doing in the long run is giving yourself time to look at other options as eventually they will come back at you for another go or hopefully decide that the easier option is to open the company wallet. it I also makes it more likely they’ll make a mistake which gives you grounds for formal complaint which again tends to lead to an offer.
As you have not been at the company long I would think long and hard about fighting it, put down to experience and move on.

[WY86]

PIP = Paid Interview Period…

[phil-sti]

Jasandjules said:

RZ1 said:

So actually this is a good point, having never been in this position was not sure what the process is and whether that information will be shared in a reference.
Started to update my CV today.
I presume it’s not worth trying to get legal advice to ensure they follow the correct process then?

You can ensure they follow the correct process in order to buy you the time to get a job offer elsewhere.

However you will be provided (IMHO) with a PIP with subjective and not SMART criteria which you will not be able to meet........

At that point, in the absence of another job, then it will be sensible to lodge a Grievance against the PIP.. THat will add some delay....

this is the best advice. If you're on a PIP your days are numbered so the more time you can get to find a new position while they are paying you the better.

[InformationSuperHighway]

Something worth thinking about.... try to figure out if there is a package available to leave quietly.

I've been on the other side of pip conversations where we are game planing a package to leave, which can often be 3-6 months of pay + benefits.

If you think you can get a job quickly after leaving, you may end up quids in (And leaving what sounds like a failing company).

[Alex Z]

FMOB said:

DiscoSINGH said:

Lastly, HR is not your friend, it is there to look after the interests of your employer, not you.

This is so true that it borders on deceit, nobody should be naive about HR's role in a company, like snakes and ladders but no ladders and they have the dice.

I would disagree with this, having worked with some excellent HR staff who have done an excellent job of making sure that staff are treated fairly and given support above and beyond when the company is not behaving well.

[FMOB]

Alex Z said:

FMOB said:

DiscoSINGH said:

Lastly, HR is not your friend, it is there to look after the interests of your employer, not you.

This is so true that it borders on deceit, nobody should be naive about HR's role in a company, like snakes and ladders but no ladders and they have the dice.

I would disagree with this, having worked with some excellent HR staff who have done an excellent job of making sure that staff are treated fairly and given support above and beyond when the company is not behaving well.

No doubt there are but apparently the world has changed and we are all one word away from getting put through the ringer especially if you happen to be wrong gender. It is all so nebulous they would find you guilty of breathing if they could.

Edited by FMOB on Monday 16th October 20:54

[Terminator X]

Paul Lazzaro said:

I think only you can decide what to do here. If you genuinely don't think you should be on a PIP, then the writing is probably on the wall for reasons that have already been said.

For what it's worth, I've put quite a few staff through PIPs. All except one still work for me. They do have a place and a use, and genuinely intentioned employers don't just use them as a tool to manage someone out of the business.

Fair play to you but that is what they are used for 99% of the time.

TX.

[The OG Jester]

In the past I've used PIP where staff members failed to deliver the very basics required of them. It can go one of two ways, they bugger off and leave as they have been found out OR they take on-board the training and extra steps to improve their performance and it benefits them and the workplace. I've had both scenarios.

But yours sounds a tad iffy..... like introducing my line manager to my main contacts, that for me isn't a performance issue at all.

[spants]

If it is a USA based company, change your pronoun and claim discrimination.
That will stall things for a while.......

(this isn't serious advice)

[RZ1]

I got offered a settlement agreement to leave which I accepted, turns out they made several errors such as starting to access my email as soon as the pip was issued.

[Jasandjules]

RZ1 said:

I got offered a settlement agreement to leave which I accepted, turns out they made several errors such as starting to access my email as soon as the pip was issued.

Sensible to leave - I hope you negotiated a good deal.

[Alex Z]

Probably for the best. American companies do have a tendency to be clueless about UK employment law.