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Chris_w666 said:
Bugeyeandy said:
Chris_w666 said:
We had a person apply for work with us that had a 12 year old DD conviction with a driving ban show up, he was dismissed for not mentioning this at interview.
I don't get this one, do you employ someone then wait for the CRB to come back?As for dismissing someone for a DD offence that happened 12 years ago , what is the thinking behind this? I don't get it.
We can employ someone and not allow them to work unsupervised until the CRB comes back, otherwise you can wait a month or two to start someone in employment that can be bad for them financially and us.
In this case, the legislation itself was the problem, not the person.
Chris_w666 said:
He wasn't dismissed for the conviction, he was dismissed for not disclosing it before appointment as I have already mentioned.
What a nonsense. The very purpose of the RoO Act is to enable people who have reformed to carry on with their life. He did not need to declare a drink driving conviction because an act of parliament gave him this protection.The only possible excuse would be that he had an enhanced check and he was told that spent convictions must be declared, but you dont appear to have mentioned this, so I assume not. Even in this circumstance I believe that only certain positions can require this, and even then Im not sure that a D&D conviction thats a decade old has any relevance; if you are honest.
The amount of time taken to complete these checks grips me I must admit. My wife works in childcare, and I'm in the Army. Because of this she is moving jobs every couple of years, or more frequently, due to my job changes. She is currently undergoing her 4th CRB in as many years but as we've moved from Germany, to Wiltshire, to Dorset and now to Hampshire its a fresh check each time. If you plotted the last three postings and her jobs they would all be within 30 miles of a central point, we just happened to have moved across county borders.
I'm not suggesting that the checks should be scrapped, but you'd think that as soon as an individual with the same name, DOB, NI number and the same list of the last 10 years of addresses came up, you'd be able to cross reference it to the last check done, in one example, only 5 months before.
barking.
I'm not suggesting that the checks should be scrapped, but you'd think that as soon as an individual with the same name, DOB, NI number and the same list of the last 10 years of addresses came up, you'd be able to cross reference it to the last check done, in one example, only 5 months before.
barking.
When CRB was dreamt up by the government, because it was "difficult" to administer, they ensured that local governments were given the responsibility of looking after it. This is why we have a nonsensically arranged system with each check being performed by a different local government agency and each agency having its own set of criteria to check.
As you describe - barking.
As you describe - barking.
I know that the Forces streamlined it slighty, it that all of Service Childrens' Education was counted as one county. So if you had a check done for British Forces Germany, you would be covered for Cyprus, Belize etc etc without having to do it all again.
I had heard that there was going to be a change whereby you would be checked for a role rather than a location. So my wife, for example, would be checked for the role of Nanny rather than for the location of Hampshire. Provided she didn't change role she would be able to change location without being re-checked. I imagine the initiative is in a folder marked 'bit tricky - wait out' somewhere...
I had heard that there was going to be a change whereby you would be checked for a role rather than a location. So my wife, for example, would be checked for the role of Nanny rather than for the location of Hampshire. Provided she didn't change role she would be able to change location without being re-checked. I imagine the initiative is in a folder marked 'bit tricky - wait out' somewhere...
My cousin received a final warning for burglary dwelling when she was 17. she received a certificate to say she worked with the police by attending a session with other youths. she went to an interview today to apply as a careworker, they have given her the job but are waiting for the CRB check to go through. As she was a juvenile then, would it come up on the check?
Thanks
Thanks
shhhh said:
My cousin received a final warning for burglary dwelling when she was 17. she received a certificate to say she worked with the police by attending a session with other youths. she went to an interview today to apply as a careworker, they have given her the job but are waiting for the CRB check to go through. As she was a juvenile then, would it come up on the check?
Thanks
Also on her application form she write that she had a conviction, if it were to come up. would there be a chance for her to get the job, as she did say she did have one and not hide it.Thanks
HertsBiker said:
If you've been punished by the courts, why should an employer dismiss someone?
Because in some situations and I do mean some then you may be in a position of total trust and responsibility. Failing to mention an old run in with the law may well mean the employer can no longer trust you 100%. I'd want someone who was looking after venurable people to be proven honest and as such it's the lie not the crime that is being punished.she simple stayed in custody for a while, and then was let go with a final warning because she did admit what had happened. they should have just put it down as breaking and entering, but they put it down as burglary. as it wasnt her idea. and there was something of her friends in the house she wanted to get back. its not how it seems.
They did say she has the job but is waiting on the crb check to come through.
They did say she has the job but is waiting on the crb check to come through.
enhanced should show up everything. Although if the conviction has been spent it shouldnt be held against you.(ie Juvinile)
The whole CRB system is having a big shake up over the next two years. Hopefully to stop incidents like baby P and the caretaker at that school who murdered those girl, and the nursery paedophiles.
I have three enhanced CRBs, as I work with vulnerable children and sometimes adults.
I am also a director for a charity and as such all my staff and volunteers have to be fully checked, before they are allowed access to the families.
The whole CRB system is having a big shake up over the next two years. Hopefully to stop incidents like baby P and the caretaker at that school who murdered those girl, and the nursery paedophiles.
I have three enhanced CRBs, as I work with vulnerable children and sometimes adults.
I am also a director for a charity and as such all my staff and volunteers have to be fully checked, before they are allowed access to the families.
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