Physical assault at work

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Gary C

12,641 posts

181 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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techiedave said:
One thing to take from that thread is that the OP despite the injustice he experienced chose to walk away.
That was the problem, he didn't !

and ended up with a conviction.

anonymous-user

56 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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Gary C said:
techiedave said:
One thing to take from that thread is that the OP despite the injustice he experienced chose to walk away.
That was the problem, he didn't !

and ended up with a conviction.
Yep. He chose to go to court rather than apologise and got a criminal record.

anonymous-user

56 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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Gary C said:
techiedave said:
One thing to take from that thread is that the OP despite the injustice he experienced chose to walk away.
That was the problem, he didn't !

and ended up with a conviction.
Yes but he chose to move on and put it behind him. That's what I meant. Admittedly I read the earlier part when it first came up and didn't follow it all through but as I understand it he chose to abandon an appeal

Gary C

12,641 posts

181 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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techiedave said:
Yes but he chose to move on and put it behind him. That's what I meant. Admittedly I read the earlier part when it first came up and didn't follow it all through but as I understand it he chose to abandon an appeal
I see what you mean, but the whole sorry tale probably isn't the best example for this thread wink

The_Nugget

654 posts

59 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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vaud said:
Thanks, had a scout around but couldn’t find the footage...anyone know what page it is on...I think it is somewhere after page 100 but before page 156, that was as close as I got before I gave up!

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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The_Nugget said:
Thanks, had a scout around but couldn’t find the footage...anyone know what page it is on...I think it is somewhere after page 100 but before page 156, that was as close as I got before I gave up!
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I think its now a private video on You Tube which you will have to contact the uploader to get access too

funkyrobot

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18,789 posts

230 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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I have a copy of the company grievance and disciplinary policy now. Will have a proper read later.

I can see a lot of 'may do this' after a quick scan. The company may say that because of this they didnt have to suspend the woman.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

188 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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How physical assault isn't gross misconduct, I really don't know.

Unless you are a boxer, or riot policemen or something.

funkyrobot

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Thursday 30th January 2020
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Johnnytheboy said:
How physical assault isn't gross misconduct, I really don't know.

Unless you are a boxer, or riot policemen or something.
It is classed as gross misconduct in the policies. But it also states that the company 'may' suspend the employee.

Jasandjules

70,016 posts

231 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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funkyrobot said:
It is classed as gross misconduct in the policies. But it also states that the company 'may' suspend the employee.
Is the policy noted as contractual or non-contractual? Usually the phrase "may" allows for different circumstances to be dealt with as it tends not to be possible to set out every fact or event which could apply.


funkyrobot

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Friday 31st January 2020
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Have been to the police station today to report this. Got asked what I wish to do and I said I would just like it logging for now.

The PC said I had done the right things to protect myself. She also said it doesn't sound like work have handled it well. She is going to ring work at some point to chase up some details.

It's a good job I didnt retaliate. I could have found myself in trouble if I had reacted badly. Even though she hit me first.

Disciplinary is today for the woman. Will see what the result is.

I do get the impression that work can't understand why I dont want to work with the woman anymore. You have to be very, very careful. I dont want to be in the same building as the woman at work. The police officer said that's a good tactic.

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

105 months

Friday 31st January 2020
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funkyrobot said:
Have been to the police station today to report this. Got asked what I wish to do and I said I would just like it logging for now.

The PC said I had done the right things to protect myself. She also said it doesn't sound like work have handled it well. She is going to ring work at some point to chase up some details.

It's a good job I didnt retaliate. I could have found myself in trouble if I had reacted badly. Even though she hit me first.

Disciplinary is today for the woman. Will see what the result is.

I do get the impression that work can't understand why I dont want to work with the woman anymore. You have to be very, very careful. I dont want to be in the same building as the woman at work. The police officer said that's a good tactic.
Whats the flipping point in logging it? She would be in serious trouble and needs to action taken to learn.

MYOB

4,854 posts

140 months

Friday 31st January 2020
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johnwilliams77 said:
Whats the flipping point in logging it? She would be in serious trouble and needs to action taken to learn.
If I'd known that I could slap a few people with no consequences, I would turn into a serial slapper.

funkyrobot

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Friday 31st January 2020
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MYOB said:
johnwilliams77 said:
Whats the flipping point in logging it? She would be in serious trouble and needs to action taken to learn.
If I'd known that I could slap a few people with no consequences, I would turn into a serial slapper.
I have spoken to the PC again about this. The reason I didn't ask for more this morning was because I found the whole thing quite daunting (through no fault of the police officer, she was really helpful). She will be back in on Sunday so will call me back then to decide on my options. She outlined them as below:

1. Leave it as logged
2. Ask the police to speak to the woman who slapped me
3. Ask for it to be escalated officially and taken to court, if I am willing to go to court

I am finding the whole thing quite nerve wracking. Maybe hard to understand for some, but that's how I feel.

I will decide the option I wish to pursue for Sunday.

If I do decide on option 3, does anyone know what this will involve?

Edited by funkyrobot on Friday 31st January 09:40

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

105 months

Friday 31st January 2020
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funkyrobot said:
I have spoken to the PC again about this. The reason I didn't ask for more this morning was because I found the whole thing quite daunting (through no fault of the police officer, she was really helpful). She will be back in on Sunday so will call me back then to decide on my options. She outlined them as below:

1. Leave it as logged
2. Ask the police to speak to the woman who slapped me
3. Ask for it to be escalated officially and taken to court, if I am willing to go to court

I am finding the whole thing quite nerve wracking. Maybe hard to understand for some, but that's how I feel.

I will decide the option I wish to pursue for Sunday.

If I do decide on option 3, does anyone know what this will involve?

Edited by funkyrobot on Friday 31st January 09:40
Option 3 - no brainer. You were assaulted, get her charged. Even if you find it daunting, do it for the safety of others around her. She is an animal.

funkyrobot

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Friday 31st January 2020
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johnwilliams77 said:
Option 3 - no brainer. You were assaulted, get her charged. Even if you find it daunting, do it for the safety of others around her. She is an animal.
Yes, but if it goes official, what's to stop her saying I did something to her to cause it? I did nothing at all, but what if she says she was just reacting to me?

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

241 months

Friday 31st January 2020
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funkyrobot said:
johnwilliams77 said:
Option 3 - no brainer. You were assaulted, get her charged. Even if you find it daunting, do it for the safety of others around her. She is an animal.
Yes, but if it goes official, what's to stop her saying I did something to her to cause it? I did nothing at all, but what if she says she was just reacting to me?
Absolutely not 3. Leave it as logged, start the new job, put it all behind you and forget about it.

funkyrobot

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Friday 31st January 2020
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WinstonWolf said:
funkyrobot said:
johnwilliams77 said:
Option 3 - no brainer. You were assaulted, get her charged. Even if you find it daunting, do it for the safety of others around her. She is an animal.
Yes, but if it goes official, what's to stop her saying I did something to her to cause it? I did nothing at all, but what if she says she was just reacting to me?
Absolutely not 3. Leave it as logged, start the new job, put it all behind you and forget about it.
That was my train of thought this morning. Time to move on. It's logged. As much as I would like to see her punished for it, what will it achieve? It's more stuff to worry about.

Will see how the disciplinary goes today. Would be nice if I get an update from work, but I'm not holding my breath.

funkyrobot

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Friday 31st January 2020
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Further to this, it's also transpired that the manager who witnessed the incident said something to her partner about it. He happens to work with us, but wasn't in when the incident happened. He has been asking my colleagues about what happened on Saturday.

I know this because my colleagues have been asking me what happened on Saturday, because the partner of the manager has been asking questions. wobble

I still can't get my head around the fact that the general manager of the place seemed puzzled when I said I can't work with the woman anymore. 'Oh dear, that's a shame, can't you?' were her words. banghead

Edited by funkyrobot on Friday 31st January 10:41

anonymous-user

56 months

Friday 31st January 2020
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WinstonWolf said:
Absolutely not 3. Leave it as logged, start the new job, put it all behind you and forget about it.
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