What would you do?
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My advice, if you were to join the military, would be to specialise in some area. My older brother was an engineer and after coming out at the end of last year he has not found trouble moving on with civilian life as he has transferable skills.
Currently, he's been taken on with Jaguar to build cars for them.
If you can afford to live off the, quite frankly, HUGE drop in salary then I would say go for it. It sounds like you want it. If you could come into a similar position again then why not? Make sure you do it for the right reasons though.
Currently, he's been taken on with Jaguar to build cars for them.
If you can afford to live off the, quite frankly, HUGE drop in salary then I would say go for it. It sounds like you want it. If you could come into a similar position again then why not? Make sure you do it for the right reasons though.
OP.
I know nothing about your job but would suggest for the sort of figures you are earning some of your clients might well have people who want to shoot at them. In the Army you will get shot at, no questions.
So to sum up -
Option 1 - Might get shot at
Option 2 - Will get shot at but paid 90% less than Option 1.
This is a no brainer isn't it?
I know nothing about your job but would suggest for the sort of figures you are earning some of your clients might well have people who want to shoot at them. In the Army you will get shot at, no questions.
So to sum up -
Option 1 - Might get shot at
Option 2 - Will get shot at but paid 90% less than Option 1.
This is a no brainer isn't it?
Chicken Chaser said:
OP, what is it that you dont like about your current job?
Theres not alot i can say without it sounding pathetic,but i started close protection.obviously for the money,but also for the excitement. Im not saying i want to be shot dead,but ive had a few 'experiences',and now normal day to day life is dull and tedious,i dont know if its just current clients though. I suppose im just toying with the idea of leaving,maybe i wrote it on a s
t day i dont know. Yes,the moneys great,brilliant in fact, but i want a job i enjoy doing,something as i said 'worthwhile', i have 14 month left on my mortgage and no finance/loans etc,so £20k i could survive on,and no its not a 'look at what i earn' post as previously said,its a 'talk to others,see different points of view' post.Thanks all for any input given.
If its that dull/boring, then stick it out for a couple of years, earn your money and then jump ship putting the cash towards something you really want to do. With half a million quid in your pocket, startup is a lot easier than scraping £10k together to get enough working capital for a project.
Been in senior management for the last 15 years in jobs paying circa 50k - with one in London paying 65...
Got made redundant from the last one a couple of months back.
Did it for the money - but hate hate hated it more and more. Everyone hates you - the staff because your job is to make everything more efficient all the time and cut waste continuously, which basically means trying every single day to make people do more and more for less with less and less equipment / resources.
Then the MD hates you if you report back at the end of a quarter and have failed to make his ridiculous target for saving money / increasing sales.
Then you have all the grief of trying to constantly chip suppliers down on price, and attempting to rally / organise the sales people to do as much BD as possible which they hate doing.
Plus silly long hours. Sitting at desks poring over figures at 8pm etc. Having the phone ring on a Saturday afternoon and having to drop everything to rush in and sort out whatever crisis it is.
And for what? Ok yep - it's what you get paid to do, but in the grand scheme of things - it's about trying to make your boss more and more money every day. Ok I agree it helps the local economy with regard to employment - but it's flogging your guts out for commercial capitalism, something that I have become totally disillusioned with and no longer recognise as a valid way to spend my short time on this planet.
So feck all that. I'm going back to University to train as an Ambulance Paramedic now
No income for at least two years, and a salary that, despite being reasonable and enough to live comfortably, won't earn anything like what I've been used to, and without the bonuses.
But the job satisfaction? I think will be in a different league to be honest.
Got made redundant from the last one a couple of months back.
Did it for the money - but hate hate hated it more and more. Everyone hates you - the staff because your job is to make everything more efficient all the time and cut waste continuously, which basically means trying every single day to make people do more and more for less with less and less equipment / resources.
Then the MD hates you if you report back at the end of a quarter and have failed to make his ridiculous target for saving money / increasing sales.
Then you have all the grief of trying to constantly chip suppliers down on price, and attempting to rally / organise the sales people to do as much BD as possible which they hate doing.
Plus silly long hours. Sitting at desks poring over figures at 8pm etc. Having the phone ring on a Saturday afternoon and having to drop everything to rush in and sort out whatever crisis it is.
And for what? Ok yep - it's what you get paid to do, but in the grand scheme of things - it's about trying to make your boss more and more money every day. Ok I agree it helps the local economy with regard to employment - but it's flogging your guts out for commercial capitalism, something that I have become totally disillusioned with and no longer recognise as a valid way to spend my short time on this planet.
So feck all that. I'm going back to University to train as an Ambulance Paramedic now
No income for at least two years, and a salary that, despite being reasonable and enough to live comfortably, won't earn anything like what I've been used to, and without the bonuses.
But the job satisfaction? I think will be in a different league to be honest.
Wow... I think that's probably the best description of Senior Management!
unless of course you are buddies with the board...
unless of course you are buddies with the board...
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Been in senior management for the last 15 years in jobs paying circa 50k - with one in London paying 65...
Got made redundant from the last one a couple of months back.
Did it for the money - but hate hate hated it more and more. Everyone hates you - the staff because your job is to make everything more efficient all the time and cut waste continuously, which basically means trying every single day to make people do more and more for less with less and less equipment / resources.
Then the MD hates you if you report back at the end of a quarter and have failed to make his ridiculous target for saving money / increasing sales.
Then you have all the grief of trying to constantly chip suppliers down on price, and attempting to rally / organise the sales people to do as much BD as possible which they hate doing.
Plus silly long hours. Sitting at desks poring over figures at 8pm etc. Having the phone ring on a Saturday afternoon and having to drop everything to rush in and sort out whatever crisis it is.
And for what? Ok yep - it's what you get paid to do, but in the grand scheme of things - it's about trying to make your boss more and more money every day. Ok I agree it helps the local economy with regard to employment - but it's flogging your guts out for commercial capitalism, something that I have become totally disillusioned with and no longer recognise as a valid way to spend my short time on this planet.
So feck all that. I'm going back to University to train as an Ambulance Paramedic now
No income for at least two years, and a salary that, despite being reasonable and enough to live comfortably, won't earn anything like what I've been used to, and without the bonuses.
But the job satisfaction? I think will be in a different league to be honest.
Got made redundant from the last one a couple of months back.
Did it for the money - but hate hate hated it more and more. Everyone hates you - the staff because your job is to make everything more efficient all the time and cut waste continuously, which basically means trying every single day to make people do more and more for less with less and less equipment / resources.
Then the MD hates you if you report back at the end of a quarter and have failed to make his ridiculous target for saving money / increasing sales.
Then you have all the grief of trying to constantly chip suppliers down on price, and attempting to rally / organise the sales people to do as much BD as possible which they hate doing.
Plus silly long hours. Sitting at desks poring over figures at 8pm etc. Having the phone ring on a Saturday afternoon and having to drop everything to rush in and sort out whatever crisis it is.
And for what? Ok yep - it's what you get paid to do, but in the grand scheme of things - it's about trying to make your boss more and more money every day. Ok I agree it helps the local economy with regard to employment - but it's flogging your guts out for commercial capitalism, something that I have become totally disillusioned with and no longer recognise as a valid way to spend my short time on this planet.
So feck all that. I'm going back to University to train as an Ambulance Paramedic now
No income for at least two years, and a salary that, despite being reasonable and enough to live comfortably, won't earn anything like what I've been used to, and without the bonuses.
But the job satisfaction? I think will be in a different league to be honest.
crazy about cars said:
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Been in senior management for the last 15 years in jobs paying circa 50k - with one in London paying 65...
Got made redundant from the last one a couple of months back.
Did it for the money - but hate hate hated it more and more. Everyone hates you - the staff because your job is to make everything more efficient all the time and cut waste continuously, which basically means trying every single day to make people do more and more for less with less and less equipment / resources.
Then the MD hates you if you report back at the end of a quarter and have failed to make his ridiculous target for saving money / increasing sales.
Then you have all the grief of trying to constantly chip suppliers down on price, and attempting to rally / organise the sales people to do as much BD as possible which they hate doing.
Plus silly long hours. Sitting at desks poring over figures at 8pm etc. Having the phone ring on a Saturday afternoon and having to drop everything to rush in and sort out whatever crisis it is.
And for what? Ok yep - it's what you get paid to do, but in the grand scheme of things - it's about trying to make your boss more and more money every day. Ok I agree it helps the local economy with regard to employment - but it's flogging your guts out for commercial capitalism, something that I have become totally disillusioned with and no longer recognise as a valid way to spend my short time on this planet.
So feck all that. I'm going back to University to train as an Ambulance Paramedic now
No income for at least two years, and a salary that, despite being reasonable and enough to live comfortably, won't earn anything like what I've been used to, and without the bonuses.
But the job satisfaction? I think will be in a different league to be honest.
Wow... I think that's probably the best description of Senior Management!Got made redundant from the last one a couple of months back.
Did it for the money - but hate hate hated it more and more. Everyone hates you - the staff because your job is to make everything more efficient all the time and cut waste continuously, which basically means trying every single day to make people do more and more for less with less and less equipment / resources.
Then the MD hates you if you report back at the end of a quarter and have failed to make his ridiculous target for saving money / increasing sales.
Then you have all the grief of trying to constantly chip suppliers down on price, and attempting to rally / organise the sales people to do as much BD as possible which they hate doing.
Plus silly long hours. Sitting at desks poring over figures at 8pm etc. Having the phone ring on a Saturday afternoon and having to drop everything to rush in and sort out whatever crisis it is.
And for what? Ok yep - it's what you get paid to do, but in the grand scheme of things - it's about trying to make your boss more and more money every day. Ok I agree it helps the local economy with regard to employment - but it's flogging your guts out for commercial capitalism, something that I have become totally disillusioned with and no longer recognise as a valid way to spend my short time on this planet.
So feck all that. I'm going back to University to train as an Ambulance Paramedic now
No income for at least two years, and a salary that, despite being reasonable and enough to live comfortably, won't earn anything like what I've been used to, and without the bonuses.
But the job satisfaction? I think will be in a different league to be honest.
unless of course you are buddies with the board...
All the companies I've worked for have been small-ish private ones with one or two owners / MD's. Whom I've not known before being employed. The one exception was a National PLC with thousands of staff in sites all over Europe. Never met any of the board as they were in London, and I worked in a Hampshire office as Night General Manager. That one was quite good becasue I wasn't involved in sales, strategy or figures - my oppo on days did all that.
The last few MD's have been funny people to get on with / relate to. I do obviously try and get as close and friendly as possible, sometimes drinks out on a Friday, the occasional lunch, showing interest in their families, offering to do something to help them outside of work.
But so far they've been very guarded, reserved people on the whole, with no real personality and zero sense of humour, who never really socialise and aren't interested in anything really outside of the company and the figures. They literally live for nothing else. Really, properly dull, boring people that you just can't connect with on any meaningful level.
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
The last few MD's have been funny people to get on with / relate to. I do obviously try and get as close and friendly as possible, sometimes drinks out on a Friday, the occasional lunch, showing interest in their families, offering to do something to help them outside of work.
But so far they've been very guarded, reserved people on the whole, with no real personality and zero sense of humour, who never really socialise and aren't interested in anything really outside of the company and the figures. They literally live for nothing else. Really, properly dull, boring people that you just can't connect with on any meaningful level.
I hear ya But so far they've been very guarded, reserved people on the whole, with no real personality and zero sense of humour, who never really socialise and aren't interested in anything really outside of the company and the figures. They literally live for nothing else. Really, properly dull, boring people that you just can't connect with on any meaningful level.
Tyrewrecker said:
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Been in senior management for the last 15 years in jobs paying circa 50k - with one in London paying 65...
fferent league to be honest.
Good on youfferent league to be honest.
Is that 50k after bonus? It's just I remember you saying in the other thread you earned 37k...
Correct. Bonus was a percentage of the company's net profit at year end. A decent chunk of bonus and well received to be fair - does make you smile when you see an extra £13k on your payslip one month!But...worth a year of putting up with the grief I've talked about? I don't think so anymore...
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