Clock in/Clock off jobs - 45-50k
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ElectricSoup said:
All good advice, trouble is how to find that? You need some kind of crystal ball. I can hardly go in to an interview with the attitude I'm using on this thread really, and job adverts don't really describe them this way either. You don't know what your in to until you're in to it. And I'm reluctant to give up my redundany cover after 13 years service under current economic circumstances and find I've leapt from frying pan into the fire.
It was a double you're there, fyi, be careful on that cover letter 
Broadly speaking you want something that is functional that nobody wants to do, that requires someone with a brain/diligence.
okgo said:
ElectricSoup said:
All good advice, trouble is how to find that? You need some kind of crystal ball. I can hardly go in to an interview with the attitude I'm using on this thread really, and job adverts don't really describe them this way either. You don't know what your in to until you're in to it. And I'm reluctant to give up my redundany cover after 13 years service under current economic circumstances and find I've leapt from frying pan into the fire.
It was a double you're there, fyi, be careful on that cover letter Broadly speaking you want something that is functional that nobody wants to do, that requires someone with a brain/diligence.
Your summary is quite succinct and appears accurate. Yes, that's it really.
okgo said:
ElectricSoup said:
Balls. Can't believe I got a you're wrong.
Your summary is quite succinct and appears accurate. Yes, that's it really.
Possibly something involving human excrement or dead bodies?Your summary is quite succinct and appears accurate. Yes, that's it really.
Edited by ElectricSoup on Tuesday 18th May 11:50
I drove HGV's as a summer job when I was a student, one gig was operating a skip lorry. You do get a bit dirty, mostly when lifting them onto the bed as they swing about a bit.
I turned up at a sewage farm to collect a skip and it was a shimmering meniscus of turds, bog roll and toilet juice, right up to the brim. I just got back in my truck, drove straight back to the depot and handed the keys back. This job isn't for me thanks.
I turned up at a sewage farm to collect a skip and it was a shimmering meniscus of turds, bog roll and toilet juice, right up to the brim. I just got back in my truck, drove straight back to the depot and handed the keys back. This job isn't for me thanks.
ElectricSoup said:
All good advice, trouble is how to find that? You need some kind of crystal ball. I can hardly go in to an interview with the attitude I'm using on this thread really, and job adverts don't really describe them this way either. You don't know what your in to until you're in to it. And I'm reluctant to give up my redundany cover after 13 years service under current economic circumstances and find I've leapt from frying pan into the fire.
I'd personally just go for a creative role without any management responsibility; I work in gaming in automated testing and it's spot-on in this respect. Very interesting, very good company and no management. I intend to stay at this level. TBH at 13 years I wouldn't be jumping (that's how many I have got, including my age related 1.5x years) I would be waiting to get made redundant if your company is the sort of place that'll give you enhanced terms.
I’ve just left a H&S managers role. Working away in Europe on shifts.
£60k basic plus bonus, living allowance, car allowance etc comes out at £75k. Zero stress. Boring really.
In the UK a similar role would be £50k plus.
No stress etc but you really do need 5 years experience and NEBOSH GC or diploma.
Starting pay £25-30k.
I just got fed up with the boredom and being away. Back on my trowel now ( With a bad back and ruined knees).
If you want to retrain as a Brickie £20 an hour is easy and a lot more in the SE. Just be prepared to be knackered. No stress at all though.
£60k basic plus bonus, living allowance, car allowance etc comes out at £75k. Zero stress. Boring really.
In the UK a similar role would be £50k plus.
No stress etc but you really do need 5 years experience and NEBOSH GC or diploma.
Starting pay £25-30k.
I just got fed up with the boredom and being away. Back on my trowel now ( With a bad back and ruined knees).
If you want to retrain as a Brickie £20 an hour is easy and a lot more in the SE. Just be prepared to be knackered. No stress at all though.
I don't think it's that easy to move into a new industry without having to do your time at the bottom / with stress.
I think the issue is more where you work and who with.
Maybe it's better to look for a new job in your current sector or area doing what you do.
Look for places with good working culture and top rated employers.
Having a good understanding manager / team around you will have better impact on stress than anything else.
I've worked in banking and my manager made my role very stressful and unpleasant at times.
Sitting across the bank of my desk was someone who had an incredibly stressful job, but their manager was excellent and made their role less stressful and enjoyable!
It's probably just a change you need / new environment.
Starting a new sector will probably give you more stress!
I think the issue is more where you work and who with.
Maybe it's better to look for a new job in your current sector or area doing what you do.
Look for places with good working culture and top rated employers.
Having a good understanding manager / team around you will have better impact on stress than anything else.
I've worked in banking and my manager made my role very stressful and unpleasant at times.
Sitting across the bank of my desk was someone who had an incredibly stressful job, but their manager was excellent and made their role less stressful and enjoyable!
It's probably just a change you need / new environment.
Starting a new sector will probably give you more stress!
Project Manager here, in the IT sector.
I'm much younger then you with a good 30+ years left in the workforce (sadly) but I have a good 10 years+ experience in the sector.
My last job was horrific as far as work life balance goes. Exactly as you describe, long hours, constant e-mails, calls and harassment from all levels, No rest bite from 7am up to midnight some days.. Working whilst abroad at my best friends wedding etc.
I've since jumped ship and have hindsight on my side but it's all culture and manager.
My last place was toxic, everyone's attitude was hounding each other and picking fault when others were perceived as "not working hard enough" and was amplified by my manager - e.g. if you were seen as leaving early, it's bad - didn't matter if you'd done 16 hours the day before. It was work work work and everyone was stressed, tired and gave no quarter,
My new role is the polar opposite. Mental health, work life balance and reduced stress and workload are all a priority. The realisation for me was In my first few weeks my new manger stood behind us all at 5:30 and got angry when we were still here "the works still going to be here tomorrow guys, go home". What a revelation. When someone's off (ill, annual leave etc), everyone jumps in to help out rather than complain.
The difference between the two companies one was quantity driven, the other quality. I'm up North and well within your salary band and I've never been as relaxed in my life. I genuinely switch off after work.
I'm much younger then you with a good 30+ years left in the workforce (sadly) but I have a good 10 years+ experience in the sector.
My last job was horrific as far as work life balance goes. Exactly as you describe, long hours, constant e-mails, calls and harassment from all levels, No rest bite from 7am up to midnight some days.. Working whilst abroad at my best friends wedding etc.
I've since jumped ship and have hindsight on my side but it's all culture and manager.
My last place was toxic, everyone's attitude was hounding each other and picking fault when others were perceived as "not working hard enough" and was amplified by my manager - e.g. if you were seen as leaving early, it's bad - didn't matter if you'd done 16 hours the day before. It was work work work and everyone was stressed, tired and gave no quarter,
My new role is the polar opposite. Mental health, work life balance and reduced stress and workload are all a priority. The realisation for me was In my first few weeks my new manger stood behind us all at 5:30 and got angry when we were still here "the works still going to be here tomorrow guys, go home". What a revelation. When someone's off (ill, annual leave etc), everyone jumps in to help out rather than complain.
The difference between the two companies one was quantity driven, the other quality. I'm up North and well within your salary band and I've never been as relaxed in my life. I genuinely switch off after work.
Someone mentioned university lecturer. Used to be a piece of piss, and it still can be, but it depends on qualification levels obviously, and without really good quals and record going to struggle to get salary expectations. For example a senior lecturer post teaching paramedics is going in the local uni, payscale up to 49k.
In professional services, ie non academic role, same uni currently got an Operations manager, Estates, which would lend themselves to someone with a PM background is same payscale, up to 49k, alternatively a Health, Safety and Wellbeing manager, again up to 49k, but you need NEBOSH National Diploma and be able to score points against each of the other criteria listed in the job spec. A null score against any of the criteria and application binned.
I could make other comments about the culture in FE today, perhaps best not. But if you're already pissed off with bulls
t no mark management then ...
In professional services, ie non academic role, same uni currently got an Operations manager, Estates, which would lend themselves to someone with a PM background is same payscale, up to 49k, alternatively a Health, Safety and Wellbeing manager, again up to 49k, but you need NEBOSH National Diploma and be able to score points against each of the other criteria listed in the job spec. A null score against any of the criteria and application binned.
I could make other comments about the culture in FE today, perhaps best not. But if you're already pissed off with bulls
t no mark management then ...Lord Marylebone said:
HGV Driver.
Don’t think the OP would make the money he wants driving a truck 9-5! Maybe if he did long euro trips but it wouldn’t be the easy ride he seeks. As an aside, someone I know who used to work for me makes c£750/day as an IT PM. Works hard for it though.
ElectricSoup said:
All good advice, trouble is how to find that? You need some kind of crystal ball. I can hardly go in to an interview with the attitude I'm using on this thread really, and job adverts don't really describe them this way either. You don't know what your in to until you're in to it. And I'm reluctant to give up my redundany cover after 13 years service under current economic circumstances and find I've leapt from frying pan into the fire.
When you are in a long term job, think of it like a business building up goodwill (intangible benefit). You build up experience, respect from others in the company because they know they can rely on you and your work. You know what you are doing. Maybe you have pension benefits etc.When you move to a new job/company, all that "goodwill" is lost. You start from the bottom, learning the new role, building up experience, building up trust and confidence from others that they can rely on you and your work. You have to work hard to gain that respect.
Starting a new role is hard work and takes a lot of energy even though it looks simple when you look at the experienced people doing it. Depending on where you are in your career, think carefully before you decide this is for you.
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