Trials of Finding New Job

[lyonspride]

vindaloo79 said:

Is it worth wasting so much time carpet bombing? I also think recruiters will sense desperation if they begin to recognise your profile, that never goes well in my experience.

In some respects if you can get past the stage where recruiters are just fishing for information about your former employers, you only then need deal with them fishing for information about jobs you've applied/interviewed for (trying to poach business from other agencies) and everything else they contact you with should then be genuine.

On the other hand, after this stage you can go for weeks without hearing anything from anyone.

Then you update your CV on the various websites and suddenly they all want to speak to you again.

[vindaloo79]

I had some good news yesterday, the role I applied for last week came through. Maybe my interview wasn't as weak as I felt at the time. Start in ten days or thereabouts. Should see me busy until December, albeit it 200 miles from home....zzz

Good luck to all.

[evilmunkey]

Very well done mate. hope i can say the same very soon . hope the job goes well for you .

[Pit Pony]

vindaloo79 said:

Is it worth wasting so much time carpet bombing? I also think recruiters will sense desperation if they begin to recognise your profile, that never goes well in my experience.

I tend to focus on either the exact roles I fancy, both the ones my experience is geared up for, and the ones I would like to try, but need to get past the recruiters as gate-keepers. I try and keep to limit time applying, and focus instead on making use of the time off.

I wish everyone the best in continued searching, when you really need a break it can be all consuming.

Works for me. I think that too often we get depressed by the lack of progress

I'm not sure where it fits in but the best contract job i ever got which led to.more work at the same place, had a job title that i would never of spotted.
I had exhausted all the jobs i thought were for me and searching on a combination of buzz words, which frustratingly bought loads of jobs that i knew I wouldn't get and couldn't do. But if 2000 jobs come up, and you trawl though them at 5 am on boxing day, you might get lucky.
Reading the description it was clear I could do it, but that my CV would put them off. So rehashed the cv and put it in the pile of "It's a long shot so probably won't hear anything"
I think was lucky with the RC though.

And the fact that it was Christmas.

[vindaloo79]

Pit Pony said:

I'm not sure where it fits in but the best contract job i ever got which led to.more work at the same place, had a job title that i would never of spotted.

I can relate to that. I now search for plenty of typos which may be made by those submitting the adverts without much sense of the subject matter. A typo which once helped was the word "broker" mispelt "borker".

I can understand the need to satisfy Jobcentre as per last post, I guess if you have an online list of ten applied for each day, (whether targeted or not) that would hopefully be enough to satisfy requirements. I once signed on between contracts as I was hoping for mortgage interest relief/payment on a house I was struggling to sell 2009. I agreed £35k as the minimum salary and it helped a little in them not pushing unwanted jobs on me.

[p4cks]

Well, just had my first interview in 3 months so should find out this week if I've been successful.

I've also got to record an online 'one way' interview for another role that's progressed, never done one so going to have a crack at it tomorrow or Wednesday. You only get one chance so if anyone knocks on my front door then I'm fked!

[ToothbrushMan]

BrabusMog said:

deckster said:

BrabusMog said:

If a plasterer is self employed he can easily earn £80k a year. One of my best friends is a plasterer in SW London, runs a team of two other lads and casual labourers when required for bigger jobs. His missus doesn't work, he supports the whole family and drives an E63 Merc and a family X3/X5 (not sure which as they all look the same nowadays!) - he will be pulling in well over £100k to fund that.

It's not easy to earn at that level, and your mate's not a plasterer - he's a business owner.

Nobody's disputing that trades can earn really good money, but to pretend that it's easily done and possible without a lot of hard graft and serious effort to build up the business is both fanciful and disrespecting those who have poured their life into their work.

Who said earning decent money is easy? It isn't, if it was then everyone would be. When I said "easily", I meant anyone that is prepared to graft - you can't just expect the world to fall into your lap.

sorry but i'm going to cut in here. i was a plasterer for 8 years 3 of which were good for non London wages BUT and lets get this right when it comes to whether earning decent money easily or otherwise....me and my 2 oppos were putting in 7 days a week to try and build up contacts and repeat custom,,,,,no 9 to 5 days for us...at weekends or non workdays we were walking the streets carding neighbourhoods or writing to other trades to generate business. workdays it was out by 7 meet up then sometimes straight to the customer or the builders yard then to the job a full day sometimes a late finish and we were clean and did a good job then you might have some quotes to go to in the evening but I still despite charging around £100 a day each never cleared even 25k a year. one year i might have scraped in 30k. we even branches out into other areas too. so when people say if getting good money was easy " everyone would be doing it" you need to grasp the basic premise that most people who work for themselves are pushing their roe out to earn as much as much as they can whether it comes easy or not is neither here nor there. to simply say "everyone would be doing it" is the bleedin obvious but no less patronising to those that go out and try and run their own business. as we couldnt put in 8 days a week there was little more we could do to improve our financial situation. proof that you can work your nuts off and still not find financial freedom. dont kid me otherwise that it was due to a lack of graft.

i dare say those same people will now say I should have "worked smarter, not harder"........poppycock. you aint gotta clue how hard it is to earn even a national average level of income as far as the UK is concerned today. no idea at all.

[p4cks]

p4cks said:

Well, just had my first interview in 3 months so should find out this week if I've been successful.

I've also got to record an online 'one way' interview for another role that's progressed, never done one so going to have a crack at it tomorrow or Wednesday. You only get one chance so if anyone knocks on my front door then I'm fked!

Well didn’t get the job, but the other job (the one with the recorded interview) I managed to get to the final stage, which is Wednesday.

I’ve been doing 7-7 shifts in a factory to make ends meet so have had to pie it off to prepare for Wednesday. I have to do a competency based interview as well as a presentation and guess what... my laptop fked yesterday and I haven’t got access to the hard drive yet which is really annoying. Stupidly I hadn’t backed anything up

I’m due some good luck.

[NoVetec]

ToothbrushMan said:

BrabusMog said:

deckster said:

BrabusMog said:

If a plasterer is self employed he can easily earn £80k a year. One of my best friends is a plasterer in SW London, runs a team of two other lads and casual labourers when required for bigger jobs. His missus doesn't work, he supports the whole family and drives an E63 Merc and a family X3/X5 (not sure which as they all look the same nowadays!) - he will be pulling in well over £100k to fund that.

It's not easy to earn at that level, and your mate's not a plasterer - he's a business owner.

Nobody's disputing that trades can earn really good money, but to pretend that it's easily done and possible without a lot of hard graft and serious effort to build up the business is both fanciful and disrespecting those who have poured their life into their work.

Who said earning decent money is easy? It isn't, if it was then everyone would be. When I said "easily", I meant anyone that is prepared to graft - you can't just expect the world to fall into your lap.

sorry but i'm going to cut in here. i was a plasterer for 8 years 3 of which were good for non London wages BUT and lets get this right when it comes to whether earning decent money easily or otherwise....me and my 2 oppos were putting in 7 days a week to try and build up contacts and repeat custom,,,,,no 9 to 5 days for us...at weekends or non workdays we were walking the streets carding neighbourhoods or writing to other trades to generate business. workdays it was out by 7 meet up then sometimes straight to the customer or the builders yard then to the job a full day sometimes a late finish and we were clean and did a good job then you might have some quotes to go to in the evening but I still despite charging around £100 a day each never cleared even 25k a year. one year i might have scraped in 30k. we even branches out into other areas too. so when people say if getting good money was easy " everyone would be doing it" you need to grasp the basic premise that most people who work for themselves are pushing their roe out to earn as much as much as they can whether it comes easy or not is neither here nor there. to simply say "everyone would be doing it" is the bleedin obvious but no less patronising to those that go out and try and run their own business. as we couldnt put in 8 days a week there was little more we could do to improve our financial situation. proof that you can work your nuts off and still not find financial freedom. dont kid me otherwise that it was due to a lack of graft.

i dare say those same people will now say I should have "worked smarter, not harder"........poppycock. you aint gotta clue how hard it is to earn even a national average level of income as far as the UK is concerned today. no idea at all.

I get what you mean by how hard it can be to build up worthwhile contacts and the whole work smarter/harder thing, but charging £100 a day as a plasterer is borderline charity!

[Flibble]

NoVetec said:

I get what you mean by how hard it can be to build up worthwhile contacts and the whole work smarter/harder thing, but charging £100 a day as a plasterer is borderline charity!

I had a room skimmed recently, took a day with two men, £250 plus materials. That's not much above what toothbrushman was charging. Not sure what you're paying plasterers but expecting a lot more doesn't seem realistic.

[NoVetec]

Flibble said:

NoVetec said:

I get what you mean by how hard it can be to build up worthwhile contacts and the whole work smarter/harder thing, but charging £100 a day as a plasterer is borderline charity!

I had a room skimmed recently, took a day with two men, £250 plus materials. That's not much above what toothbrushman was charging. Not sure what you're paying plasterers but expecting a lot more doesn't seem realistic.

Depends on the exact job plus any regional variances.

[singlecoil]

NoVetec said:

Flibble said:

NoVetec said:

I get what you mean by how hard it can be to build up worthwhile contacts and the whole work smarter/harder thing, but charging £100 a day as a plasterer is borderline charity!

I had a room skimmed recently, took a day with two men, £250 plus materials. That's not much above what toothbrushman was charging. Not sure what you're paying plasterers but expecting a lot more doesn't seem realistic.

Depends on the exact job plus any regional variances.

[Thankyou4calling]

According to some on this thread £40,000 for a plasterer (in Yorkshire) is laughable and you can earn £80,000 driving a dump truck.

I can’t understand why you can’t just walk into one of these jobs?

Actually, I can, because getting a job, any job is not easy and the level of competition is ridiculously high.

Trust me, I know.

[funkyrobot]

OP

Come back and give us an update please.

I have an interview with a mobile phone provider for a sales position next week. Been doing a min wage customer services job since Jan. May be a good change. It pays more.

[p4cks]

Well, had the final interview today and should find out Friday whether I've been successful.

I'm not holding my breath.

[fridaypassion]

Fingers crossed for you P4cks from an old .orger

[ToothbrushMan]

NoVetec said:

Depends on the exact job plus any regional variances.

......and now he mentions it/backtracks. Kind of puts a totally different context on his first post when he mentions "charity". Best say what you mean straight off the bat to avoid skewing opinions......

[NoVetec]

ToothbrushMan said:

NoVetec said:

Depends on the exact job plus any regional variances.

......and now he mentions it/backtracks. Kind of puts a totally different context on his first post when he mentions "charity". Best say what you mean straight off the bat to avoid skewing opinions......

My first and second posts were responding to two (albeit related) different posts. And the one you quoted is hardly revelatory. Can't cover every caveat in every post!

[p4cks]

fridaypassion said:

Fingers crossed for you P4cks from an old .orger

Ah, thanks! I didn't get the job which was expected really but I'll keep looking

[chunder27]

Have a work trial early next week for 3 days.

never done it before, great idea, job is far away so company do it a lot I think. Accom is paid, but work is unpaid which is fair.

Anyone ever done a work trial before? it is sort of engineering, manufacturing work, wiring, etc.