Contractors: IR35 & general discussion
Discussion
Guvernator said:
You can still claim travel costs on an inside contract as long as you negotiate that into your contract.
I live near London so travel is never an issue for me. More than enough work there for me not to travel anywhere else. In fact I regularly turn down contracts elsewhere.
it shouldn't require negotiating. You are based at a given location, and any travel to other locations is paid for. In theory outside workers cannot be told where and how they do their work, but inside workers can. You are generally working to the client's travel and expenses policy so no need to negotiate this in. I live near London so travel is never an issue for me. More than enough work there for me not to travel anywhere else. In fact I regularly turn down contracts elsewhere.
Blown2CV said:
it shouldn't require negotiating. You are based at a given location, and any travel to other locations is paid for. In theory outside workers cannot be told where and how they do their work, but inside workers can. You are generally working to the client's travel and expenses policy so no need to negotiate this in.
I thought Guvernator meant travel to the usual place of employment ( your normal office) which you can’t claim for, so you build it into your daily rate.Countdown said:
Blown2CV said:
it shouldn't require negotiating. You are based at a given location, and any travel to other locations is paid for. In theory outside workers cannot be told where and how they do their work, but inside workers can. You are generally working to the client's travel and expenses policy so no need to negotiate this in.
I thought Guvernator meant travel to the usual place of employment ( your normal office) which you can’t claim for, so you build it into your daily rate.Oh gawd…..
"Labour is the party of the self-employed and recognises their significant contribution to the UK economy, and the next Labour government will support and champion them."
"We will strengthen rights and protections to help self-employed workers thrive in good quality self-employment, including the right to a written contract, which for example would benefit freelancers, action to tackle late payments, and by extending health and safety and blacklisting protections to self-employed workers. Our plans to strengthen trade union rights will also benefit self-employed workers."
"Labour is the party of the self-employed and recognises their significant contribution to the UK economy, and the next Labour government will support and champion them."
"We will strengthen rights and protections to help self-employed workers thrive in good quality self-employment, including the right to a written contract, which for example would benefit freelancers, action to tackle late payments, and by extending health and safety and blacklisting protections to self-employed workers. Our plans to strengthen trade union rights will also benefit self-employed workers."
Guvernator said:
You can still claim travel costs on an inside contract as long as you negotiate that into your contract.
I live near London so travel is never an issue for me. More than enough work there for me not to travel anywhere else. In fact I regularly turn down contracts elsewhere.
Its a bit of a funny one that as the fact someone is looking travel expenses paid would suggest they are notable expenses.I live near London so travel is never an issue for me. More than enough work there for me not to travel anywhere else. In fact I regularly turn down contracts elsewhere.
Most end clients have a set £X per day, and someone asking for some variance around that is a complication.
I benefit from the fact many contractors dont have to / wont leave London as i have to jump on a plane any so it doesnt matter to me whether thats Manchester or Newcastle or London. In fact i prefer not to have a contract in London.
Full time WFH now, and i dont think i'd take on a contract that was anything other than the occasional day in the office.
I don't think most clients/employers have a "set £/day" figure. it really depends on the skills/experience being offered by the Employee/Contractor and how desperate the Client / Employer is. The employer will have a broad range of daily rate in mind but they may get 50 suitable applicants (the cheapest asking £11.44 per hour) or they only get one applicant who wants £5,000/day. Those are extreme examples but, just as with a normal Employee offer there is scope for negotiation.
Countdown said:
I don't think most clients/employers have a "set £/day" figure. it really depends on the skills/experience being offered by the Employee/Contractor and how desperate the Client / Employer is. The employer will have a broad range of daily rate in mind but they may get 50 suitable applicants (the cheapest asking £11.44 per hour) or they only get one applicant who wants £5,000/day. Those are extreme examples but, just as with a normal Employee offer there is scope for negotiation.
IME they have a price band they expect to pay.They may be able to go to that price point but thats it. It'll have been costed in to the capex that went for approval.
Certainly thats my experience, being usually brought in as part of a project team.
Any job roles i see have a day rate against them so it would be pretty daft someone going in asking for £11.44 an hour.
If i was contacted for an agency and told them £1200 a day and the end client was only willing to pay £800 a day, i doubt i'd even get put forward - nor would i want to be.
Other peoples experiences may differ, of course
Edited by Deep Thought on Saturday 25th May 18:49
Blown2CV said:
For those based outside of London, a two day stint in the capital is easily £500. Two grand a month. Not insignificant if you have to self-fund.
Agreed.When outside IR35 its not too bad as the expenses are before tax
Inside IR35 it gets painful.
But then London contract rates are usually higher so theres an element of swings and roundabouts.
Personally i try to only entertain WFH now with maybe a couple of days a month on site tops.
Blown2CV said:
For those based outside of London, a two day stint in the capital is easily £500. Two grand a month. Not insignificant if you have to self-fund.
Yep 2 days in London for me are roughly : £180 train if I book earlyish and travel down to arrive mid morning
£25 parking
£200 hotel
£50 food
I have gone perm and so it comes out of my take home salary now anyway but it’s certainly a consideration for inside v outside (v rate).
Gazzab said:
Yep 2 days in London for me are roughly :
£180 train if I book earlyish and travel down to arrive mid morning
£25 parking
£200 hotel
£50 food
I have gone perm and so it comes out of my take home salary now anyway but it’s certainly a consideration for inside v outside (v rate).
Ironically i can fly to pretty much anywhere in the UK for the price of that train ticket. Albeit i have to endure airports rather than sitting in relative comfort on a train.£180 train if I book earlyish and travel down to arrive mid morning
£25 parking
£200 hotel
£50 food
I have gone perm and so it comes out of my take home salary now anyway but it’s certainly a consideration for inside v outside (v rate).
Deep Thought said:
Ironically i can fly to pretty much anywhere in the UK for the price of that train ticket. Albeit i have to endure airports rather than sitting in relative comfort on a train.
And ironically when I visit my brother in KL I can stay in a luxury hotel for less than the price I pay for hotel z at the rest in London. Gazzab said:
Oh gawd…..
"Labour is the party of the self-employed and recognises their significant contribution to the UK economy, and the next Labour government will support and champion them."
"We will strengthen rights and protections to help self-employed workers thrive in good quality self-employment, including the right to a written contract, which for example would benefit freelancers, action to tackle late payments, and by extending health and safety and blacklisting protections to self-employed workers. Our plans to strengthen trade union rights will also benefit self-employed workers."
So how are they going to help by making us all employees not really sure they get it"Labour is the party of the self-employed and recognises their significant contribution to the UK economy, and the next Labour government will support and champion them."
"We will strengthen rights and protections to help self-employed workers thrive in good quality self-employment, including the right to a written contract, which for example would benefit freelancers, action to tackle late payments, and by extending health and safety and blacklisting protections to self-employed workers. Our plans to strengthen trade union rights will also benefit self-employed workers."
Gecko1978 said:
Gazzab said:
Oh gawd…..
"Labour is the party of the self-employed and recognises their significant contribution to the UK economy, and the next Labour government will support and champion them."
"We will strengthen rights and protections to help self-employed workers thrive in good quality self-employment, including the right to a written contract, which for example would benefit freelancers, action to tackle late payments, and by extending health and safety and blacklisting protections to self-employed workers. Our plans to strengthen trade union rights will also benefit self-employed workers."
So how are they going to help by making us all employees not really sure they get it"Labour is the party of the self-employed and recognises their significant contribution to the UK economy, and the next Labour government will support and champion them."
"We will strengthen rights and protections to help self-employed workers thrive in good quality self-employment, including the right to a written contract, which for example would benefit freelancers, action to tackle late payments, and by extending health and safety and blacklisting protections to self-employed workers. Our plans to strengthen trade union rights will also benefit self-employed workers."
Guvernator said:
Gazzab said:
They are appealing to zero hours temps I guess.
Yeah contractors earning £500+ a day aren't the target demographic for Labour unfortunately. In fact if they pay any heed to us it will be to tax us more as we are "rich".My vote won’t be going to red or blue.
Gazzab said:
Unlike conservatives who have taxed us more already and have decimated our industry.
My vote won’t be going to red or blue.
Oh I'm not saying they've been any better, the last decade they've been awful and the least Conservative-like I've seen them in my lifetime. There pretty much isn't red and blue anymore as far as I can see, just a crappy grey medium that helps no-one.My vote won’t be going to red or blue.
Gazzab said:
Oh gawd…..
"Labour is the party of the self-employed and recognises their significant contribution to the UK economy, and the next Labour government will support and champion them."
Yay."Labour is the party of the self-employed and recognises their significant contribution to the UK economy, and the next Labour government will support and champion them."
Gazzab said:
"We will strengthen rights and protections to help self-employed workers thrive in good quality self-employment, including the right to a written contract, which for example would benefit freelancers, action to tackle late payments, and by extending health and safety and blacklisting protections to self-employed workers. Our plans to strengthen trade union rights will also benefit self-employed workers."
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