Resignation and communications
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Indeed.
The employer should either
a) Let the employee carry on working during their notice, and give them the required access / communications to do so
b) Place them on gardening leave, with no access or communications
Under (a) it’s perfectly reasonable to stop the employee seeing / accessing things they do not need to complete their job. You might not invite them to the meeting to discuss new plans, or product development, for instance.
The employer should either
a) Let the employee carry on working during their notice, and give them the required access / communications to do so
b) Place them on gardening leave, with no access or communications
Under (a) it’s perfectly reasonable to stop the employee seeing / accessing things they do not need to complete their job. You might not invite them to the meeting to discuss new plans, or product development, for instance.
brickwall said:
Indeed.
The employer should either
a) Let the employee carry on working during their notice, and give them the required access / communications to do so
b) Place them on gardening leave, with no access or communications
Under (a) it’s perfectly reasonable to stop the employee seeing / accessing things they do not need to complete their job. You might not invite them to the meeting to discuss new plans, or product development, for instance.
^^^^ thisThe employer should either
a) Let the employee carry on working during their notice, and give them the required access / communications to do so
b) Place them on gardening leave, with no access or communications
Under (a) it’s perfectly reasonable to stop the employee seeing / accessing things they do not need to complete their job. You might not invite them to the meeting to discuss new plans, or product development, for instance.
If they are employed and being paid then they should at least have the contact with HR as they are still entitled to employee protections - bullying, etc
Not being invited to future planning meetings, etc - common.
In my experience, working your notice is pointless. You dont want to be there and the employer has accepted you dont wont to be there. I would just do the minimum and hopefully they will ask you to leave with full pay early.
The other thing I've done is get your ducks in order and once you've been paid, just walk. These days people dont ask for references anymore, it's all about the probation period. If your not up to it, they get rid of you anyway.
It's just a job after all. If you are held to ransom by the company regarding wages and cant do the above, well that's your fault and you shouldn't get into that position to start with.
The other thing I've done is get your ducks in order and once you've been paid, just walk. These days people dont ask for references anymore, it's all about the probation period. If your not up to it, they get rid of you anyway.
It's just a job after all. If you are held to ransom by the company regarding wages and cant do the above, well that's your fault and you shouldn't get into that position to start with.
austina35 said:
In my experience, working your notice is pointless. You dont want to be there and the employer has accepted you dont wont to be there. I would just do the minimum and hopefully they will ask you to leave with full pay early.
The other thing I've done is get your ducks in order and once you've been paid, just walk. These days people dont ask for references anymore, it's all about the probation period. If your not up to it, they get rid of you anyway.
It's just a job after all. If you are held to ransom by the company regarding wages and cant do the above, well that's your fault and you shouldn't get into that position to start with.
Lots of companies ask for references still. We don't necessarily want in depth assessments, but a confirmation of employed dates at the minimum. We had a very brief ref in for a young girl recently that cryptically included "very active on social media". The other thing I've done is get your ducks in order and once you've been paid, just walk. These days people dont ask for references anymore, it's all about the probation period. If your not up to it, they get rid of you anyway.
It's just a job after all. If you are held to ransom by the company regarding wages and cant do the above, well that's your fault and you shouldn't get into that position to start with.
Countdown said:
It's always best to leave on good terms. Even if references aren't actively sought it's not difficult to contact somebody in the old firm for an off the record chat. In certain industries people will know other people and you do see the same faces cropping up now and again.
Especially in sales.. when they rotate after 12-24 months and have missed their targets; they jump before they are pushed.austina35 said:
The other thing I've done is get your ducks in order and once you've been paid, just walk. These days people dont ask for references anymore, it's all about the probation period. If your not up to it, they get rid of you anyway.
It's just a job after all. If you are held to ransom by the company regarding wages and cant do the above, well that's your fault and you shouldn't get into that position to start with.
Of course people ask for references - I've done 2 for former employees this year.It's just a job after all. If you are held to ransom by the company regarding wages and cant do the above, well that's your fault and you shouldn't get into that position to start with.
And what on earth do you mean by "that's your fault" if you're not in a position to walk out because you're still owed pay?
austina35 said:
In my experience, working your notice is pointless. You dont want to be there and the employer has accepted you dont wont to be there. I would just do the minimum and hopefully they will ask you to leave with full pay early.
The other thing I've done is get your ducks in order and once you've been paid, just walk. These days people dont ask for references anymore, it's all about the probation period. If your not up to it, they get rid of you anyway.
It's just a job after all. If you are held to ransom by the company regarding wages and cant do the above, well that's your fault and you shouldn't get into that position to start with.
Astoundingly bad adviceThe other thing I've done is get your ducks in order and once you've been paid, just walk. These days people dont ask for references anymore, it's all about the probation period. If your not up to it, they get rid of you anyway.
It's just a job after all. If you are held to ransom by the company regarding wages and cant do the above, well that's your fault and you shouldn't get into that position to start with.
I can assure you that in a lot of industries, they very much do look at references and take a dim view of people just walking without honouring their contract.
Countdown said:
It's always best to leave on good terms. Even if references aren't actively sought it's not difficult to contact somebody in the old firm for an off the record chat. In certain industries people will know other people and you do see the same faces cropping up now and again.
I agree and I have done all I can, I was just a little hurt when I completely followed procedures, carried out my duties professionally and politely but within 2 minutes of my written confirmation being handed in I was ghosted on all emails and teams. I thought it was rude and could make it seem im not trustworthy. Totally uncalled for.Greenbot35 said:
I agree and I have done all I can, I was just a little hurt when I completely followed procedures, carried out my duties professionally and politely but within 2 minutes of my written confirmation being handed in I was ghosted on all emails and teams. I thought it was rude and could make it seem im not trustworthy. Totally uncalled for.
I hadn't realised it was from your personal point of view and you're absolutely right.
Actually it just reminded me of a time when i was told to do the same thing to a member of staff by the CEO. She'd had the temerity to hand her notice in. He asked me to tell IT to cut off her email access, go to her office, make her clear her desk, take her work blackberry off her (shows you how long ago it was) and to escort her off the premises. My relationship with him had deteriorated at that point anyway so i had no problem in telling him that i thought he was trying to humiliate her for the sake of it and i wasn't going to do it. He wasn't a happy bunny.
I've never needed to provide a reference in 35 years in employment. I've had 8 jobs in that time. I've also jumped on the merry-go-round of similar companies in the same industry. At interview stage they have asked where I have come from and knew my former bosses, yet have never asked for any reference of any kind. As I said, it's all about your probation period.
References can be had by other means and why would you want to leave on good terms with an employer who has basically forced you to leave?
References can be had by other means and why would you want to leave on good terms with an employer who has basically forced you to leave?
austina35 said:
I've never needed to provide a reference in 35 years in employment. I've had 8 jobs in that time. I've also jumped on the merry-go-round of similar companies in the same industry. At interview stage they have asked where I have come from and knew my former bosses, yet have never asked for any reference of any kind. As I said, it's all about your probation period.
References can be had by other means and why would you want to leave on good terms with an employer who has basically forced you to leave?
Do you think perhaps, just perhaps, it might be different in other industries and professions? References can be had by other means and why would you want to leave on good terms with an employer who has basically forced you to leave?
As for leaving on good terms, grown-ups realise that
a) it’s a professional thing to do
b) you never know who you might bump into in later life.
Countdown said:
I hadn't realised it was from your personal point of view and you're absolutely right.
Actually it just reminded me of a time when i was told to do the same thing to a member of staff by the CEO. She'd had the temerity to hand her notice in. He asked me to tell IT to cut off her email access, go to her office, make her clear her desk, take her work blackberry off her (shows you how long ago it was) and to escort her off the premises. My relationship with him had deteriorated at that point anyway so i had no problem in telling him that i thought he was trying to humiliate her for the sake of it and i wasn't going to do it. He wasn't a happy bunny.
Muzzer79 said:
austina35 said:
I've never needed to provide a reference in 35 years in employment. I've had 8 jobs in that time. I've also jumped on the merry-go-round of similar companies in the same industry. At interview stage they have asked where I have come from and knew my former bosses, yet have never asked for any reference of any kind. As I said, it's all about your probation period.
References can be had by other means and why would you want to leave on good terms with an employer who has basically forced you to leave?
Do you think perhaps, just perhaps, it might be different in other industries and professions? References can be had by other means and why would you want to leave on good terms with an employer who has basically forced you to leave?
As for leaving on good terms, grown-ups realise that
a) it’s a professional thing to do
b) you never know who you might bump into in later life.
I actually delayed my start date by a week so that I could stay on and help the new guy. In return they wrote off the training costs for an exam I had sat to get them an accreditation they needed (as in my contract was a term saying that training costs were to be repaid if you left within a certain time period)
Sales director understood my position perfectly and said he had concerns that they might lose me but I was welcome to contact him directly for a personal reference if I ever needed one. He also paid up commission earned in my last month
Left on good terms and with integrity. My new place I work for a commercial director who was my boss a few years ago in a previous role - he came looking for me for the role
Never burn your bridges
Muzzer79 said:
Do you think perhaps, just perhaps, it might be different in other industries and professions?
As for leaving on good terms, grown-ups realise that
a) it’s a professional thing to do
b) you never know who you might bump into in later life.
Not really no. Companies dont care about you. You need to realise this. Once your not wanted by them, they wouldn't think twice about giving you the chop. I learned that many years ago. As for leaving on good terms, grown-ups realise that
a) it’s a professional thing to do
b) you never know who you might bump into in later life.
I wouldn't know about other industries. Why would I? I've been in engineering since I left college. If your good enough, work comes easy and you can choose who you want to work for. Whilst there is a shortage of skilled people, this will always be the case.
austina35 said:
Muzzer79 said:
Do you think perhaps, just perhaps, it might be different in other industries and professions?
As for leaving on good terms, grown-ups realise that
a) it’s a professional thing to do
b) you never know who you might bump into in later life.
Not really no. Companies dont care about you. You need to realise this. Once your not wanted by them, they wouldn't think twice about giving you the chop. I learned that many years ago. As for leaving on good terms, grown-ups realise that
a) it’s a professional thing to do
b) you never know who you might bump into in later life.
I wouldn't know about other industries. Why would I? I've been in engineering since I left college. If your good enough, work comes easy and you can choose who you want to work for. Whilst there is a shortage of skilled people, this will always be the case.
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