BMW M4 on sale for 32 weeks

[philmots]

I’d guess it’s hanging about as it’s not a Comp Pack, rightly or wrongly it’s what most people want.

[Chestrockwell]

philmots said:

I’d guess it’s hanging about as it’s not a Comp Pack, rightly or wrongly it’s what most people want.

Correct it is but minus the wheels and the better seats, the only difference that I’ll be able to tell between the 2 is the firmer ride and louder exhausts, both arguably make the car worse as a daily driver.

I had a thorough look through the whole of the UK’s BMW approved used stock on the main BMW website and actually found many CP’s with a few k miles extra for the same price.

There’s also a lot of convertibles hanging around for less than 40 but all come without HK which rule them out for me completely.

The salesman got back to me saying he can’t do 35 but he’ll keep an eye out for M4’s within my budget, in the mean time I might put mine up for sale so I’ll be ready to buy one immediately should they come up.

Anybody want a 430d?

[Pioneer]

CP will def. help resale when that time comes. Right or wrong, a lot of people won't consider a std M4. If you see a M4CP reg VA17 MPX I advise to walk away! Bought it for the wife last year but had a load of trouble with it from day one. Had less than 2k on the clock at the time. Ended up getting a refund after 3-4 months of ownership. Was in for about 6+ weeks in total and they still couldn't get it right. Pretty much the whole front suspension setup was swapped out. Paid cash so was on tenterhooks for a while. Supplying dealer and BMW were very good in the end. They also refunded plate transfer fees and gave us money for a night out. Shame as she loved it, amazing spec as well.

Edited by Pioneer on Friday 12th April 15:40

[PorkInsider]

Chestrockwell said:

Correct it is but minus the wheels and the better seats, the only difference that I’ll be able to tell between the 2 is the firmer ride and louder exhausts, both arguably make the car worse as a daily driver.

There’s quite a bit more difference than that and the CP exhaust is pretty quiet unless you choose to have it loud.

Personally I wouldn’t touch a non-CP car as I don’t like the chrome trim, as well as the other differences, but each to their own of course.

Do bear in mind the resale market too, as mentioned above.

[JMBMWM5]

Chestrockwell said:

A few questions here for the experts and current M4 owners.

I’m on a rollercoaster with this car buying business but I keep getting drawn to the M4. I rang up my dealer and told the salesman I really want a M4 with my budget, he said come in for a drive so I did.

I told him my budget is around 450-550 a month with whatever equity I have in my 4 series minus the seperate loan I have, going by autotrader, my 430d is worth around 20k and I owe 9 k so let’s say a 10k deposit.

He said sure, I’ll pass the details of your car to my business manager along with your budget, he didn’t seem phased over my budget.

The car is a M4 LCI (67 reg) DCT in Yas Marina Blue, HUD, HK, privacy glass and 360 camera with black leather on 8500 miles.

We get back from the drive, he offers 15 grand for my car so 5800 deposit and 670 a month with 8k per annum at 12%!! Barely open to negotiation.

This is where it gets interesting, I tried finding the car in question on AT and it turns out I saved it 32 weeks ago, it’s been on sale for over 6 months, the car is immaculate, not sure why it’s not selling, it’s reg starts with Y so it’s a BMW UK car, could it be a press car? Is the spec poor, because I think it’s a decent spec!

As for the drive, wow what a machine, absolute rocket and it rode a lot better than the Competition pack I drove last year, didn’t feel any slower. The only difference was the exhaust note which I think is better on the non competition, the comp pack popped and crackled a lot, it was a lot louder and while that is a laugh, it might be a bit too much when driving through high streets, everyone turning their heads and OAP’s shaking their heads when because it looks like you’re speeding.

Anyways, I emailed him after saying I realised the car has been on sale for longer than 6 months and his figures are way over my budget so I offered him 35k, 19 for my car and/or lower the interest to 6%, I said if you can get near to any of those, let me know otherwise I’m going to have to wait until they drop down some more.

I could get a pre facelift one, a tidy one in fact but I want something with atleast 2 years warranty and from a proper reputable dealer!

My question is, why hasn’t it sold and is my offer ridiculous?

That's a BMW Hack, look around there are shed loads that ain't selling that deal is rubbish.

[jm doc]

Chestrockwell said:

A few questions here for the experts and current M4 owners.

I’m on a rollercoaster with this car buying business but I keep getting drawn to the M4. I rang up my dealer and told the salesman I really want a M4 with my budget, he said come in for a drive so I did.

I told him my budget is around 450-550 a month with whatever equity I have in my 4 series minus the seperate loan I have, going by autotrader, my 430d is worth around 20k and I owe 9 k so let’s say a 10k deposit.

He said sure, I’ll pass the details of your car to my business manager along with your budget, he didn’t seem phased over my budget.

The car is a M4 LCI (67 reg) DCT in Yas Marina Blue, HUD, HK, privacy glass and 360 camera with black leather on 8500 miles.

We get back from the drive, he offers 15 grand for my car so 5800 deposit and 670 a month with 8k per annum at 12%!! Barely open to negotiation.

This is where it gets interesting, I tried finding the car in question on AT and it turns out I saved it 32 weeks ago, it’s been on sale for over 6 months, the car is immaculate, not sure why it’s not selling, it’s reg starts with Y so it’s a BMW UK car, could it be a press car? Is the spec poor, because I think it’s a decent spec!

As for the drive, wow what a machine, absolute rocket and it rode a lot better than the Competition pack I drove last year, didn’t feel any slower. The only difference was the exhaust note which I think is better on the non competition, the comp pack popped and crackled a lot, it was a lot louder and while that is a laugh, it might be a bit too much when driving through high streets, everyone turning their heads and OAP’s shaking their heads when because it looks like you’re speeding.

Anyways, I emailed him after saying I realised the car has been on sale for longer than 6 months and his figures are way over my budget so I offered him 35k, 19 for my car and/or lower the interest to 6%, I said if you can get near to any of those, let me know otherwise I’m going to have to wait until they drop down some more.

I could get a pre facelift one, a tidy one in fact but I want something with atleast 2 years warranty and from a proper reputable dealer!

My question is, why hasn’t it sold and is my offer ridiculous?

Had a really bad experience buying an ex BMW F10 M5 CP, only 3k mileage and 9 months old, it was so bad it was dangerous needing amongst other things 2 new wheel bearings and had presumably spent all of it's 3k miles being ragged to death on a track somewhere. I rejected it and after a bit of hassle got my money back. I wouldn't go anywhere near an M car now that had belonged to BMW, usually start with YJ or YK.

You really have to look far and wide for one and be prepared to spend several weeks or months looking, don't limit yourself to local dealers who think they have you over a barrel, that's the beauty of the internet. I know it's difficult at times when you see one and it looks so nice, but you need to stick to your guns and eventually you'll find one that ticks all your boxes, and you won't regret it.

[Chestrockwell]

jm doc said:

Had a really bad experience buying an ex BMW F10 M5 CP, only 3k mileage and 9 months old, it was so bad it was dangerous needing amongst other things 2 new wheel bearings and had presumably spent all of it's 3k miles being ragged to death on a track somewhere. I rejected it and after a bit of hassle got my money back. I wouldn't go anywhere near an M car now that had belonged to BMW, usually start with YJ or YK.

You really have to look far and wide for one and be prepared to spend several weeks or months looking, don't limit yourself to local dealers who think they have you over a barrel, that's the beauty of the internet. I know it's difficult at times when you see one and it looks so nice, but you need to stick to your guns and eventually you'll find one that ticks all your boxes, and you won't regret it.

Thanks for that, it’s interesting you mention BMW UK cars specifically as they’re always usually the cheapest with the lowest mileage, there are hardly any other cars beginning with H (Coopers reg) anywhere near 40k when a year old unless they’ve done 20k + miles.

My current BMW actually starts with YJ and it was an ex company car for BMW UK, the name on the logbook was a female name, maybe an accountant, definitely took it easy as the rear tyres looked new.

The annoying thing is that BMW UK cars are always well specced with low mileage and cheaper. I’ll just wait as you said, don’t want to make a 40k mistake !

[Pioneer]

Chestrockwell said:

... the name on the logbook was a female name, maybe an accountant ...

Hahaha. Good job us PHeaders aren't snowflakes. She might have been the DP! I worked for NetworkQ when I was a kid, the DP and sales manager were both female. The sales manager was well known for driving like a madman, women, person, er .......

[Wills2]

stabilio said:

Ahh, looks like the M3 had a different LCI date then as the rounded inner headlights are are deffo pre-LCI on the M3.

Edited by stabilio on Wednesday 10th April 10:16

M3 had it's first LCI for the 2016 MY the M4 got all the internal upgrades (new ECU software and the rear dampers from the CP) as well but not the visual ones (rear lights being an obvious example) they then had MY updates through 2017 and 18 and also an LCI for the 4 series including the M4 at the same time the M3 got the same treatment as the M4 (iconic lights) but already had the rear light treatment back in MY16.

In short excluding the MY updates the M3 has had two visual LCI and the M4 one but both have had the same mechanical and SW changes at the same time.

[xjay1337]

OP why not just get a loan for the required amount from your bank at a much better rate?

[xjay1337]

Chestrockwell said:

Correct it is but minus the wheels and the better seats, the only difference that I’ll be able to tell between the 2 is the firmer ride and louder exhausts, both arguably make the car worse as a daily driver.

Altho it sounds like you want a 435d SE spec.

[Chestrockwell]

Wills2 said:

stabilio said:

Ahh, looks like the M3 had a different LCI date then as the rounded inner headlights are are deffo pre-LCI on the M3.

Edited by stabilio on Wednesday 10th April 10:16

M3 had it's first LCI for the 2016 MY the M4 got all the internal upgrades (new ECU software and the rear dampers from the CP) as well but not the visual ones (rear lights being an obvious example) they then had MY updates through 2017 and 18 and also an LCI for the 4 series including the M4 at the same time the M3 got the same treatment as the M4 (iconic lights) but already had the rear light treatment back in MY16.

In short excluding the MY updates the M3 has had two visual LCI and the M4 one but both have had the same mechanical and SW changes at the same time.

Another strange thing about the M3’s is that 2016 onwards ‘LCI’ M3’s come with the pre facelift front lights where the M sport’s had the full facelift LED’s as standard. The LCI 2 for the M3’s come with the LCI 4 series type lights where they’re slightly tinted inside with xenon bulbs and the full LED’s are an option. Strange !

[Chestrockwell]

xjay1337 said:

OP why not just get a loan for the required amount from your bank at a much better rate?

Well that’s one of my options, I didn’t think of that as I thought a good deal was on the cards considering how long the car had been on sale. That is what I’m going to do, going to service my car and put 2 new year tyres on and put it up for sale and just wait until the right M4 comes up.

Funny thing is I just saw a BMW salesman fill up a brand new 330i in Cobham and I asked him straight up, 2017 + late M4 or M340i, his words? M340i, will be quicker when mapped and it’s 4 wheel drive.

For god sake is everything about 0-60 times and 4 wheel drive now?!

[jm doc]

Chestrockwell said:

jm doc said:

Had a really bad experience buying an ex BMW F10 M5 CP, only 3k mileage and 9 months old, it was so bad it was dangerous needing amongst other things 2 new wheel bearings and had presumably spent all of it's 3k miles being ragged to death on a track somewhere. I rejected it and after a bit of hassle got my money back. I wouldn't go anywhere near an M car now that had belonged to BMW, usually start with YJ or YK.

You really have to look far and wide for one and be prepared to spend several weeks or months looking, don't limit yourself to local dealers who think they have you over a barrel, that's the beauty of the internet. I know it's difficult at times when you see one and it looks so nice, but you need to stick to your guns and eventually you'll find one that ticks all your boxes, and you won't regret it.

Thanks for that, it’s interesting you mention BMW UK cars specifically as they’re always usually the cheapest with the lowest mileage, there are hardly any other cars beginning with H (Coopers reg) anywhere near 40k when a year old unless they’ve done 20k + miles.

My current BMW actually starts with YJ and it was an ex company car for BMW UK, the name on the logbook was a female name, maybe an accountant, definitely took it easy as the rear tyres looked new.

The annoying thing is that BMW UK cars are always well specced with low mileage and cheaper. I’ll just wait as you said, don’t want to make a 40k mistake !

A lot of those so called "ex-manufacturers management" vehicles actually are leased out to car rental companies, it's big business and certainly not limited to BMW. They're usually 6-12 months old and have around 5-15k miles on them. I hadn't expected they would do this with an M5, but the registration document of the dodgy car I bought weirdly had the name of a car hire firm in the South-West.

This was from a major prime BMW dealership chain who also lied to me by not telling me someone else had also bought the car and then rejected it, claimed it had been through the whole used car service despite needing 2 wheel bearings, a new diff, brakes and tracking. Many years ago I used to buy and sell old bangers, I am well versed in the black arts of buying and selling dodgy old used cars but to be honest never expected a main dealer selling such a prestigious model would ever consider behaving like that. More fool me, you live and you learn.

To cap it all , trading standards weren't the slightest bit interested.

[PorkInsider]

Chestrockwell said:

Funny thing is I just saw a BMW salesman fill up a brand new 330i in Cobham and I asked him straight up, 2017 + late M4 or M340i, his words? M340i, will be quicker when mapped and it’s 4 wheel drive.

I wouldn’t put too much on what a salesman tells you. I’ve met some proper idiots selling cars.

There’s really no comparison between an M3/4 and a 340i. And once ‘mapped’ is mentioned it’s just comedy value really.

[Theone8181]

PorkInsider said:

I wouldn’t put too much on what a salesman tells you. I’ve met some proper idiots selling cars.

There’s really no comparison between an M3/4 and a 340i. And once ‘mapped’ is mentioned it’s just comedy value really.

He's probably not wrong if it gets mapped to ~400hp and with xdrive in the wet it would be quicker.

Edit I'm assuming the 340 has the option of xdrive (or is that the joke?) I just assumed every model apart from the m had the option.

Edited by Theone8181 on Tuesday 16th April 06:14

[xjay1337]

PorkInsider said:

I wouldn’t put too much on what a salesman tells you. I’ve met some proper idiots selling cars.

There’s really no comparison between an M3/4 and a 340i. And once ‘mapped’ is mentioned it’s just comedy value really.

To be true a mapped b58 on a stage 1 is doing 440hp..........

[Wills2]

Chestrockwell said:

Wills2 said:

stabilio said:

Ahh, looks like the M3 had a different LCI date then as the rounded inner headlights are are deffo pre-LCI on the M3.

Edited by stabilio on Wednesday 10th April 10:16

M3 had it's first LCI for the 2016 MY the M4 got all the internal upgrades (new ECU software and the rear dampers from the CP) as well but not the visual ones (rear lights being an obvious example) they then had MY updates through 2017 and 18 and also an LCI for the 4 series including the M4 at the same time the M3 got the same treatment as the M4 (iconic lights) but already had the rear light treatment back in MY16.

In short excluding the MY updates the M3 has had two visual LCI and the M4 one but both have had the same mechanical and SW changes at the same time.

Another strange thing about the M3’s is that 2016 onwards ‘LCI’ M3’s come with the pre facelift front lights where the M sport’s had the full facelift LED’s as standard. The LCI 2 for the M3’s come with the LCI 4 series type lights where they’re slightly tinted inside with xenon bulbs and the full LED’s are an option. Strange !

The M3 headlights are a different shape to the 3 series lights hence they waited until the 4 series LCI to update them.

[Wills2]

xjay1337 said:

PorkInsider said:

I wouldn’t put too much on what a salesman tells you. I’ve met some proper idiots selling cars.

There’s really no comparison between an M3/4 and a 340i. And once ‘mapped’ is mentioned it’s just comedy value really.

To be true a mapped b58 on a stage 1 is doing 440hp..........

With the same chassis and suspension as a 320i

[xjay1337]

Wills2 said:

With the same chassis and suspension as a 320i

Well it's not quite the same is it, while I get your point, unless you are on a track or completely sending it around your local roundabouts, you don't really notice the difference