F90 M5 Competition
Discussion
mhh said:
I got my crankshaft sensor replaced last week and the problem is gone. Happy days! See your dealer - it’s a known problem and proven fix.
Had the car recovered into delaerhsi[, they say they can't find anything wrong and they have checked with BMW and there are no reported faults of this type on the database!To top of it the dealer it went into found the transport blocks had been left in the suspension!
Fulmentaljack3t said:
Zanderman said:
Just booked my running in service, can I ask what people have been paying for these? Seems extremely high.....
I bought the service pack but the delearship didn't process it 
so when i went to book the running in service online it came up with a price of £739.40! OUCH
HoHoHo said:
Just dropped mine off for its running in service and I see 0% deals have started on these cars......
Looks like 50% deposit or as quoted ‘a significant deposit with low monthly payments and a final balloon’
Had mine done yesterday, they updated the whole car, now running 2019-2 Sat Nav maps, all Connected drive working now, car drives a dream.Looks like 50% deposit or as quoted ‘a significant deposit with low monthly payments and a final balloon’
Edited by HoHoHo on Wednesday 17th April 08:47
Layed it up for three weeks off to Veitnam and Cambodia.
JMBMWM5 said:
ad mine done yesterday, they updated the whole car, now running 2019-2 Sat Nav maps, all Connected drive working now, car drives a dream.
Layed it up for three weeks off to Veitnam and Cambodia.
Is that something I should expect on mine?Layed it up for three weeks off to Veitnam and Cambodia.
I’m please to say aside from a swift business trip to Brazil this Friday through to next Tuesday my car will now be going past 5k rpm and into warp factor 6
HoHoHo said:
Is that something I should expect on mine?
I’m please to say aside from a swift business trip to Brazil this Friday through to next Tuesday my car will now be going past 5k rpm and into warp factor 6
NOPE you need to ask for it but if you have no faults it will not get done. I had old maps (2018-4) and a faulty Connected Drive, now all fixed, took all day though.I’m please to say aside from a swift business trip to Brazil this Friday through to next Tuesday my car will now be going past 5k rpm and into warp factor 6
PS) some on Mcutters are asking about the Zero % deals, any figures?
JMBMWM5 said:
HoHoHo said:
Is that something I should expect on mine?
I’m please to say aside from a swift business trip to Brazil this Friday through to next Tuesday my car will now be going past 5k rpm and into warp factor 6
NOPE you need to ask for it but if you have no faults it will not get done. I had old maps (2018-4) and a faulty Connected Drive, now all fixed, took all day though.I’m please to say aside from a swift business trip to Brazil this Friday through to next Tuesday my car will now be going past 5k rpm and into warp factor 6
PS) some on Mcutters are asking about the Zero % deals, any figures?
With regard to maps, I thought they updated automatically. My X5 used to every month or two and presumably this M5 will do much the same?
JMBMWM5 said:
NOPE you need to ask for it but if you have no faults it will not get done. I had old maps (2018-4) and a faulty Connected Drive, now all fixed, took all day though.
PS) some on Mcutters are asking about the Zero % deals, any figures?
How do you know what maps version you're on? What was wrong woth your connected drive? In my Connected app under "info" it doesn't show anything.PS) some on Mcutters are asking about the Zero % deals, any figures?
Divide is an official BMW campaign/offer on selected models, you're basically giving them your deposit and rolling up your payments up front over a 24 month period in exchange for 0% on the GFV, other manufacturers offer similar 50/50 0% deals.
https://www.bmw.co.uk/finance/divide
https://www.bmw.co.uk/finance/divide
Fulmentaljack3t said:
How do you know what maps version you're on? What was wrong woth your connected drive? In my Connected app under "info" it doesn't show anything.
Mine was the same no "STATUS" and thats not right. To find the version go Navigation<options<nav info< current version, it will show the map date, mine was 2018-4 which it should be 2019-2, so two quarters out.My connected drive did not show USB updates, just Auto updates.
Wills2 said:
Divide is an official BMW campaign/offer on selected models, you're basically giving them your deposit and rolling up your payments up front over a 24 month period in exchange for 0% on the GFV, other manufacturers offer similar 50/50 0% deals.
https://www.bmw.co.uk/finance/divide
Thanks for that.https://www.bmw.co.uk/finance/divide
JMBMWM5 said:
ine was the same no "STATUS" and thats not right. To find the version go Navigation<options<nav info< current version, it will show the map date, mine was 2018-4 which it should be 2019-2, so two quarters out.
My connected drive did not show USB updates, just Auto updates.
Thanks for that, mine shows "no status" and i thought that should not be the case. I just went and checked my version and it is 2018-2! So a year out of date! I would have thought something like the nav/OS should be updated prior to delivering to the customer or is that just ridiculous idealogical thinking on my part?My connected drive did not show USB updates, just Auto updates.
It's another thing to add to the list of issues I have.
Edited by Fulmentaljack3t on Wednesday 17th April 13:02
Edited by Fulmentaljack3t on Wednesday 17th April 13:09
Palmball said:
An F90 M5 thread? Jeez, these are few and far between, and probably reflects the fact nobody is buying them.
I bought one in December. It initially replaced a 10 month old 911 GTS because, well, I fancied one. Obviously very different cars but getting out of the 911 and straight into the M5, I can honestly say I didn't feel short changed. It's a big unit and it can't hide that (it even seemed to dwarf our RS6 when parked next to it).
I didn't test drive before buying but I've had enough M cars and it had suitably good reviews to take a punt, and it's turned out pretty good actually. It ended up replacing my wifes RS6 as it is (just) big enough to cope with our twin babies and all the paraphernalia they bring. Its' practicality is something we couldn't be sure of until living with it for a while hence it replaced the 911 and we ran it side by side with the RS6 for a few weeks.
It does mean I have a good comparison between the M5 and a 2017 RS6 Performance. I'll start with the easy stuff.
Aesthetically it's nice enough; well stanced, obviously something a bit fruity but it's no RS6 in terms of presence. I much preferred the looks of the Audi.
Inside is a different matter. The interior technology, materials, lighting, B&W audio (optional) and all the modern trinkets are all world class. Another world to the 911 and it made the RS6 seem a bit dated inside (although both are equally as well constructed, if anything the Audi felt more 'solid').
It's very fast, obviously. I reckon perceptibly quicker than the (605bhp) RS6 although that might be due to the fact it's less refined than the Audi. Don't get me wrong, the M5 is very refined but the RS6 was exceptional, probably helped by its double glazing. The M5's seats are outstanding, probably the finest and most adjustable seats I've experienced. The driving position is a bit higher than I'd like, but that's only really highlighted by the RS6's perfect and low set driving position so you get used to the slightly higher position in a matter of moments.
Another reason the M5 is so quick is the transmission in the M5 is better calibrated, snappier and smoother. What the transmission shouldn't be mistaken for is a dual clutch. You'll read reports that there's no penalty for the move to a ZF torque converter and, whilst it is smoother than a DCT and as quick as torque converter auto gets, it's definitely not as quick to swap gears as a DCT. It just means it's easier to smack into the rev limiter if you're used to leaving the gear change to the last nanosecond like you can with a DCT.
Chassis wise, be prepared for one thing - it is quite harsh. You feel road vibration through the car more than I expected and I believe this is quite unique to the Competition, probably due to some suspension components being rose jointed directly to the chassis rather than the standard M5's rubber bushings. It's one of the first things I noticed, even getting out of the 911 into the M5, you could feel the road surface through the structure so much more (and another reason it feels less refined than the RS6). It rides OK, but again be prepared for this being a firm riding (but well controlled) car.
The payoff is the handling where it's very impressive, not just for a 1900kg car, it's just impressive....period. Even in comfort mode the body stays very flat, the damping keeps the body movements well contained and the steering is a revelation if you ever felt the previous F10 (where in my opinion, the steering was a real weakness). It's more natural in feel and extremely direct. OK, it's no 911 but the M5 does feel genuinely agile and it's here where it pulls a big advantage over the RS6 which took more effort (and felt less comfortable) to hustle along.
Financially this is probably one of my less shrewd buys so getting a decent deal is key. I saw mine come up for sale at an independent and snapped it up immediately because it has every single option ticked bar carbon brakes (so c.£110k spec) and was being sold for £84k with 1k miles. Seemed a decent buy because it was actually someones car and not a pre-reg so it had a level of spec not typically seen in the main dealers (in fact, it seems most pre-reg Competition Packs have very few options).
So in summary I'd say these do live up to the hype the press give them. It's a very good car, and any preferences towards another option like an equivalent Merc or Audi would be down to marginal detail. I'd say my heart is still with the RS6 because I preferred the looks of it and the more GT-esque refinement, but the M5 is certainly the more fun car. But then I have another car for 'fun' so if this was the only car, it would probably be a different situation. I'm historically a big AMG fan but the E63 just didn't get a look in; that's less refined than the M5 and I just can't get on with Merc's current droopy design language.
We don't see enough of these talked about so here's a few photo's....
Hi Mate,I bought one in December. It initially replaced a 10 month old 911 GTS because, well, I fancied one. Obviously very different cars but getting out of the 911 and straight into the M5, I can honestly say I didn't feel short changed. It's a big unit and it can't hide that (it even seemed to dwarf our RS6 when parked next to it).
I didn't test drive before buying but I've had enough M cars and it had suitably good reviews to take a punt, and it's turned out pretty good actually. It ended up replacing my wifes RS6 as it is (just) big enough to cope with our twin babies and all the paraphernalia they bring. Its' practicality is something we couldn't be sure of until living with it for a while hence it replaced the 911 and we ran it side by side with the RS6 for a few weeks.
It does mean I have a good comparison between the M5 and a 2017 RS6 Performance. I'll start with the easy stuff.
Aesthetically it's nice enough; well stanced, obviously something a bit fruity but it's no RS6 in terms of presence. I much preferred the looks of the Audi.
Inside is a different matter. The interior technology, materials, lighting, B&W audio (optional) and all the modern trinkets are all world class. Another world to the 911 and it made the RS6 seem a bit dated inside (although both are equally as well constructed, if anything the Audi felt more 'solid').
It's very fast, obviously. I reckon perceptibly quicker than the (605bhp) RS6 although that might be due to the fact it's less refined than the Audi. Don't get me wrong, the M5 is very refined but the RS6 was exceptional, probably helped by its double glazing. The M5's seats are outstanding, probably the finest and most adjustable seats I've experienced. The driving position is a bit higher than I'd like, but that's only really highlighted by the RS6's perfect and low set driving position so you get used to the slightly higher position in a matter of moments.
Another reason the M5 is so quick is the transmission in the M5 is better calibrated, snappier and smoother. What the transmission shouldn't be mistaken for is a dual clutch. You'll read reports that there's no penalty for the move to a ZF torque converter and, whilst it is smoother than a DCT and as quick as torque converter auto gets, it's definitely not as quick to swap gears as a DCT. It just means it's easier to smack into the rev limiter if you're used to leaving the gear change to the last nanosecond like you can with a DCT.
Chassis wise, be prepared for one thing - it is quite harsh. You feel road vibration through the car more than I expected and I believe this is quite unique to the Competition, probably due to some suspension components being rose jointed directly to the chassis rather than the standard M5's rubber bushings. It's one of the first things I noticed, even getting out of the 911 into the M5, you could feel the road surface through the structure so much more (and another reason it feels less refined than the RS6). It rides OK, but again be prepared for this being a firm riding (but well controlled) car.
The payoff is the handling where it's very impressive, not just for a 1900kg car, it's just impressive....period. Even in comfort mode the body stays very flat, the damping keeps the body movements well contained and the steering is a revelation if you ever felt the previous F10 (where in my opinion, the steering was a real weakness). It's more natural in feel and extremely direct. OK, it's no 911 but the M5 does feel genuinely agile and it's here where it pulls a big advantage over the RS6 which took more effort (and felt less comfortable) to hustle along.
Financially this is probably one of my less shrewd buys so getting a decent deal is key. I saw mine come up for sale at an independent and snapped it up immediately because it has every single option ticked bar carbon brakes (so c.£110k spec) and was being sold for £84k with 1k miles. Seemed a decent buy because it was actually someones car and not a pre-reg so it had a level of spec not typically seen in the main dealers (in fact, it seems most pre-reg Competition Packs have very few options).
So in summary I'd say these do live up to the hype the press give them. It's a very good car, and any preferences towards another option like an equivalent Merc or Audi would be down to marginal detail. I'd say my heart is still with the RS6 because I preferred the looks of it and the more GT-esque refinement, but the M5 is certainly the more fun car. But then I have another car for 'fun' so if this was the only car, it would probably be a different situation. I'm historically a big AMG fan but the E63 just didn't get a look in; that's less refined than the M5 and I just can't get on with Merc's current droopy design language.
We don't see enough of these talked about so here's a few photo's....
Edited by Palmball on Wednesday 27th February 02:02
Great write up about the M5. Ive had mine about 2 months now, and its in for its running in service in two weeks, so im pretty stoked to have that done, and feel the full force, as ive stuck religiously to the running in period. It was either this car, or an R8 V10 Plus, which i also spy in your garage.
Im smitten with the M5, and feel for the size of car that it is, it is a real rocket ship, with quality and class aplenty. Agree with most of your points, and somedays i wish it was DCT, and other days im quite happy with what i have. It is definitely a nano second slower than a proper twinclutch, but made up for, by being ever so slightly smother. Are you from the North West ?, asking because of your number plate ?.
Only just seen this post, so quite late to the party, regards, Simon.
Fulmentaljack3t said:
Thanks for that, mine shows "no status" and i thought that should not be the case. I just went and checked my version and it is 2018-2! So a year out of date! I would have thought something like the nav/OS should be updated prior to delivering to the customer or is that just ridiculous idealogical thinking on my part?
It's another thing to add to the list of issues I have.
You have good cause to get the dealership to upgrade THE CAR to the latest software and Nav Maps, as I said 2019-2 is out and was put into mine yesterday, good luck with it.It's another thing to add to the list of issues I have.
Edited by Fulmentaljack3t on Wednesday 17th April 13:02
Edited by Fulmentaljack3t on Wednesday 17th April 13:09
PS) My APP now shows STATUS which it should have done.
Chaps,
Ive been looking into a solution for an exhaust change, but because we have the OPF/PPF fitted, its not looking promising for a full swap. And by a full swap, im meaning just from the downpipes backwards, as im not really interested in doing the downpipes. I find the Comp exhaust to be quite frustrating, in that, sometimes, it can let out the most glorious crack/bang, that has me smiling like a Cheshire cat, but then i cant seem to replicate it, and im on and off the throttle up and down the road as though i have torettes ?, in my right foot. The only offering for us atm, is a rear silencer from the likes of Remus, Eisenmann, AC Schitzer etc, but we have to keep the damn OPFs in place. Im not hopeful for a solution of this in the near future. Anybody got any more info, or opinions .
Ive been looking into a solution for an exhaust change, but because we have the OPF/PPF fitted, its not looking promising for a full swap. And by a full swap, im meaning just from the downpipes backwards, as im not really interested in doing the downpipes. I find the Comp exhaust to be quite frustrating, in that, sometimes, it can let out the most glorious crack/bang, that has me smiling like a Cheshire cat, but then i cant seem to replicate it, and im on and off the throttle up and down the road as though i have torettes ?, in my right foot. The only offering for us atm, is a rear silencer from the likes of Remus, Eisenmann, AC Schitzer etc, but we have to keep the damn OPFs in place. Im not hopeful for a solution of this in the near future. Anybody got any more info, or opinions .
JMBMWM5 said:
ou have good cause to get the dealership to upgrade THE CAR to the latest software and Nav Maps, as I said 2019-2 is out and was put into mine yesterday, good luck with it.
PS) My APP now shows STATUS which it should have done.
I would think so too, just spoke to the dealership and their position is that the car had recently had an over the air update so as far as they are concerned it's up to date. It didn't instill me with a lot of confidence but i'm going in tomorrow to hand over the car for investigation into a problem with the car stalling so will bring it up again and try to get them to do a usb update. Got nothing but a sorry for the transit blocks being left in the suspension and me driving around in it for 1200miles.PS) My APP now shows STATUS which it should have done.
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