BMW M4 on sale for 32 weeks
Discussion
xjay1337 said:
Wills2 said:
With the same chassis and suspension as a 320i
Well it's not quite the same is it, while I get your point, unless you are on a track or completely sending it around your local roundabouts, you don't really notice the differenceA 340i is just a 320i with the B58 rather than the B48.
Just for clarification, I was referring to the upcoming G20 M340i.
A lot of cars will be quicker than the M4 once remapped but that isn’t what it’s about to me, the M4 I drove felt like it was a completely different car to my 4 series, from the gearbox to the spikey power delivery to the suspension and steering, it’s a purpose built car with a wider front/rear track. It’s a beast.
It’s the reason I keep going back to it, I’ve driven a few M140i’s, I’ve driven the M2 and even a new 4.0 C63, I don’t know what it is, but they all just felt like faster versions of my car, not much separated them.
I could save a lot of money, buy a 440i with the M power kit and be done with it but it just won’t be the real thing will it!
A lot of cars will be quicker than the M4 once remapped but that isn’t what it’s about to me, the M4 I drove felt like it was a completely different car to my 4 series, from the gearbox to the spikey power delivery to the suspension and steering, it’s a purpose built car with a wider front/rear track. It’s a beast.
It’s the reason I keep going back to it, I’ve driven a few M140i’s, I’ve driven the M2 and even a new 4.0 C63, I don’t know what it is, but they all just felt like faster versions of my car, not much separated them.
I could save a lot of money, buy a 440i with the M power kit and be done with it but it just won’t be the real thing will it!
Wills2 said:
xjay1337 said:
Wills2 said:
With the same chassis and suspension as a 320i
Well it's not quite the same is it, while I get your point, unless you are on a track or completely sending it around your local roundabouts, you don't really notice the differenceA 340i is just a 320i with the B58 rather than the B48.
I am just saying that to your average driver who only drives to work normally and gives it a squirt every now and again there isn't a lot in it, given the general public can't really tell the difference between a premium tyre and a budget........
And talking purely about acceleration which is what the salesperson said my comment is true there isn't much in it. If anything the smaller turbo on the b58 will spool up quicker.
xjay1337 said:
Wills2 said:
xjay1337 said:
Wills2 said:
With the same chassis and suspension as a 320i
Well it's not quite the same is it, while I get your point, unless you are on a track or completely sending it around your local roundabouts, you don't really notice the differenceA 340i is just a 320i with the B58 rather than the B48.
I am just saying that to your average driver who only drives to work normally and gives it a squirt every now and again there isn't a lot in it, given the general public can't really tell the difference between a premium tyre and a budget........
And talking purely about acceleration which is what the salesperson said my comment is true there isn't much in it. If anything the smaller turbo on the b58 will spool up quicker.
It really says more about the potential buyers experience with performance cars, than the similarity of the two cars though. As said previously, they are chalk and cheese, in just about any measurable way.
Exactly, if anything, to a person who isn’t very interested in cars or just wants a quick tool, they’d actually prefer the 340i/M340i as they’re very easy to drive unlike the M3/4’s which are not the type of cars you put in drive and mash the throttle.
My neighbour bought a very high spec m performance 440i with the exhaust and power kit, I said to him you could have bought an M4 for that money and he said the M4 was ‘too much’.
My neighbour bought a very high spec m performance 440i with the exhaust and power kit, I said to him you could have bought an M4 for that money and he said the M4 was ‘too much’.
Some of these latest comments are so true. Never underestimate how little some people know, or care, about cars. At the time I bought my 550 Maranello, my best mate was driving a then new Peugeot 406 Coupe, not a bad car as it happens. Anyway, I brought my new pride and joy round to his house, took him out for a spin. We got back, parked the car, and he said (words indelibly etched in my brain) "I bet if you closed your eyes you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between driving my car and your Ferrari".
Aside from the issue of driving a car with your eyes closed (let's not go there!) I was and still am stunned that someone with even half a brain could say that. But he was adamant. He would not change his opinion. Amazingly, we're still friends!
Aside from the issue of driving a car with your eyes closed (let's not go there!) I was and still am stunned that someone with even half a brain could say that. But he was adamant. He would not change his opinion. Amazingly, we're still friends!
Wills2 said:
There is a vast difference between a 3 series and the M3 totally different car everything baring the interior mouldings and doors is changed it's a different chassis/suspension/subframes/axles/brakes/engine/tyres/differential/driveshaft/software/engine/gearbox/body/exhaust/wheels the list is endless,
Yes, yes, but apart from that, they are pretty much the same, no?;-)
Tony B2 said:
Yes, yes, but apart from that, they are pretty much the same, no?
;-)
;-)
Tony B2 said:
Yes, yes, but apart from that, they are pretty much the same, no?
;-)
I've just dropped my e92 m3 off for a bit of warranty work and I've got a 335d xdrive. I was a bit of a non believer but it's crap compared to mine, it's so soft, the amount of body roll when I cornered hard I thought it was going to roll over. It is an estate compared to a couple but still. Strangley it feels slower, maybe torque isn't everything. It also sounds like a tractor. On the plus side I got some stuff in it from Wickes and I might go to the tip in it. Oh and it's barely double my normal mpg, it's getting 37 to the gallon, might as well go petrol.;-)
SL550M said:
Some of these latest comments are so true. Never underestimate how little some people know, or care, about cars. At the time I bought my 550 Maranello, my best mate was driving a then new Peugeot 406 Coupe, not a bad car as it happens. Anyway, I brought my new pride and joy round to his house, took him out for a spin. We got back, parked the car, and he said (words indelibly etched in my brain) "I bet if you closed your eyes you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between driving my car and your Ferrari".
Aside from the issue of driving a car with your eyes closed (let's not go there!) I was and still am stunned that someone with even half a brain could say that. But he was adamant. He would not change his opinion. Amazingly, we're still friends!
He was just jealous and trying to make himself feel better. Aside from the issue of driving a car with your eyes closed (let's not go there!) I was and still am stunned that someone with even half a brain could say that. But he was adamant. He would not change his opinion. Amazingly, we're still friends!
Zarco said:
SL550M said:
Some of these latest comments are so true. Never underestimate how little some people know, or care, about cars. At the time I bought my 550 Maranello, my best mate was driving a then new Peugeot 406 Coupe, not a bad car as it happens. Anyway, I brought my new pride and joy round to his house, took him out for a spin. We got back, parked the car, and he said (words indelibly etched in my brain) "I bet if you closed your eyes you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between driving my car and your Ferrari".
Aside from the issue of driving a car with your eyes closed (let's not go there!) I was and still am stunned that someone with even half a brain could say that. But he was adamant. He would not change his opinion. Amazingly, we're still friends!
He was just jealous and trying to make himself feel better. Aside from the issue of driving a car with your eyes closed (let's not go there!) I was and still am stunned that someone with even half a brain could say that. But he was adamant. He would not change his opinion. Amazingly, we're still friends!
My mrs couldn't tell the difference in driving feel between
Her Vauxhall Viva 1.0
My old Scirocco track car (fully stripped, b16 coilovers, lsd, etc)
the Fiesta 1.0 ecoboost I gave her
Our Seat Altea 2.0 TDI (the dog car)
my M135i
The only thing she has ever noticed is
"the altea is big"
"the clutch on the scirocco was heavy"
"i keep trying to press the clutch" (on the auto m135i)
She honestly has no idea!! and most people are the same.
xjay1337 said:
Zarco said:
SL550M said:
Some of these latest comments are so true. Never underestimate how little some people know, or care, about cars. At the time I bought my 550 Maranello, my best mate was driving a then new Peugeot 406 Coupe, not a bad car as it happens. Anyway, I brought my new pride and joy round to his house, took him out for a spin. We got back, parked the car, and he said (words indelibly etched in my brain) "I bet if you closed your eyes you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between driving my car and your Ferrari".
Aside from the issue of driving a car with your eyes closed (let's not go there!) I was and still am stunned that someone with even half a brain could say that. But he was adamant. He would not change his opinion. Amazingly, we're still friends!
He was just jealous and trying to make himself feel better. Aside from the issue of driving a car with your eyes closed (let's not go there!) I was and still am stunned that someone with even half a brain could say that. But he was adamant. He would not change his opinion. Amazingly, we're still friends!
My mrs couldn't tell the difference in driving feel between
Her Vauxhall Viva 1.0
My old Scirocco track car (fully stripped, b16 coilovers, lsd, etc)
the Fiesta 1.0 ecoboost I gave her
Our Seat Altea 2.0 TDI (the dog car)
my M135i
The only thing she has ever noticed is
"the altea is big"
"the clutch on the scirocco was heavy"
"i keep trying to press the clutch" (on the auto m135i)
She honestly has no idea!! and most people are the same.
Zarco said:
I'm not you carrot.
Well then why assume other people would be feeling inferior when that's most likely just how you would feel?Like I said many people couldn't give a s
t about cars and have no idea !!!So if you don't care about cars there is nothing to feel s
te about when someone has a Ferrari and you have a Peugeot. I recently picked up a 66-plate M4 CP at the end of March, after watching it drop by several £k over about a month. I was originally not looking for a comp-pack (thought it would be over-budget), but managed to bag a deal at the end of the quarter.
I too toyed with the idea of a 440i plus some mods, but eventually decided I'd always wish I'd got a proper M-car (something I'd always dreamed of owning!) if I compromised.
I too toyed with the idea of a 440i plus some mods, but eventually decided I'd always wish I'd got a proper M-car (something I'd always dreamed of owning!) if I compromised.
ricisbest said:
I recently picked up a 66-plate M4 CP at the end of March, after watching it drop by several £k over about a month. I was originally not looking for a comp-pack (thought it would be over-budget), but managed to bag a deal at the end of the quarter.
I too toyed with the idea of a 440i plus some mods, but eventually decided I'd always wish I'd got a proper M-car (something I'd always dreamed of owning!) if I compromised.
There are a few decent 66 plate’s in budget and it turns out that 2016 onwards they received the same updates the M3 LCI got but my issue is the warranty aspect, id want atleast a years worth of manufacturer warranty.I too toyed with the idea of a 440i plus some mods, but eventually decided I'd always wish I'd got a proper M-car (something I'd always dreamed of owning!) if I compromised.
Extended warranty is fairly cheap but I intend to own for a few years and extending it every year along with the excess charges, it might get pricey.
I actually decided to start looking at M3’s and I cannot believe they’re more expensive, I mean I know they’re no longer in production but surely that doesn’t mean they command atleast 4k extra to the equivalent M4!
Edit:
As for the 440i idea, there are a few ex demo 440is with the power and sound kit all just above 30k with lots of options and I would have gone for one if I didn’t have a 430d.
Plus, I can’t imagine an M4 using more fuel than a 440i, my friends M240i returned 19 mpg and he has a heavy foot like myself.
Edited by Chestrockwell on Sunday 21st April 22:05
Yeah I know what you mean about the warranty, Chestrockwell... but I got a full year warranty with an approved used, from a main dealer (not sure if it's quite as good as the original warranty from new though TBF).
I was originally looking for M3s too but they're rare and expensive it seems! I think they look a bit better, and the practicality would have helped but I wasn't prepared to pay another £4-5k (as you said!)
I was originally looking for M3s too but they're rare and expensive it seems! I think they look a bit better, and the practicality would have helped but I wasn't prepared to pay another £4-5k (as you said!)
Edited by ricisbest on Monday 22 April 10:00
The M4 is my dream, I’ve been spending atleast half an hour a day on Google and the classifieds trying to find the right deal and spec, I even searched up audio upgrade companies to upgrade the sound system on an M4 without the HK should I find a cheap one but it all just isn’t working.
I went into MB today and enquired about a C63 (yes I know I said I prefer the M4 but I thought I’ll see how they’re looking) and I was very surprised to find a C63 Premium with the AMG exhaust, 17 plate with the black wheels that are a 2500 option, the nice ones and a mileage of 7500k miles.
Price, 39,995 and the PCP offer they had for me? 5k deposit, 6.9%, 550 a month, 10k per annum with a GFV of 15k, which I said is impossible, old C55’s are like 10k now!
The interest is high but the residuals are very good and nearly cover it.
I’m very tempted, why couldn’t BMW offer better? The deal was something like 6k deposit and 685 a month with 8k per annum?!
What am I missing here?
I went into MB today and enquired about a C63 (yes I know I said I prefer the M4 but I thought I’ll see how they’re looking) and I was very surprised to find a C63 Premium with the AMG exhaust, 17 plate with the black wheels that are a 2500 option, the nice ones and a mileage of 7500k miles.
Price, 39,995 and the PCP offer they had for me? 5k deposit, 6.9%, 550 a month, 10k per annum with a GFV of 15k, which I said is impossible, old C55’s are like 10k now!
The interest is high but the residuals are very good and nearly cover it.
I’m very tempted, why couldn’t BMW offer better? The deal was something like 6k deposit and 685 a month with 8k per annum?!
What am I missing here?
Chestrockwell said:
The M4 is my dream, I’ve been spending atleast half an hour a day on Google and the classifieds trying to find the right deal and spec, I even searched up audio upgrade companies to upgrade the sound system on an M4 without the HK should I find a cheap one but it all just isn’t working.
I went into MB today and enquired about a C63 (yes I know I said I prefer the M4 but I thought I’ll see how they’re looking) and I was very surprised to find a C63 Premium with the AMG exhaust, 17 plate with the black wheels that are a 2500 option, the nice ones and a mileage of 7500k miles.
Price, 39,995 and the PCP offer they had for me? 5k deposit, 6.9%, 550 a month, 10k per annum with a GFV of 15k, which I said is impossible, old C55’s are like 10k now!
The interest is high but the residuals are very good and nearly cover it.
I’m very tempted, why couldn’t BMW offer better? The deal was something like 6k deposit and 685 a month with 8k per annum?!
What am I missing here?
Can you not get a 30k loan for 3% or something??I went into MB today and enquired about a C63 (yes I know I said I prefer the M4 but I thought I’ll see how they’re looking) and I was very surprised to find a C63 Premium with the AMG exhaust, 17 plate with the black wheels that are a 2500 option, the nice ones and a mileage of 7500k miles.
Price, 39,995 and the PCP offer they had for me? 5k deposit, 6.9%, 550 a month, 10k per annum with a GFV of 15k, which I said is impossible, old C55’s are like 10k now!
The interest is high but the residuals are very good and nearly cover it.
I’m very tempted, why couldn’t BMW offer better? The deal was something like 6k deposit and 685 a month with 8k per annum?!
What am I missing here?
7% I couldn't stomach.
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