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newsatten

3,401 posts

116 months

Monday 28th September 2020
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70 Ram Air car, M20 Manual, 70000 miles a snip @ $235000 laugh


rat rod

4,997 posts

67 months

Monday 28th September 2020
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banghead
newsatten said:


70 Ram Air car, M20 Manual, 70000 miles a snip @ $235000 laugh
banghead

rat rod

4,997 posts

67 months

Monday 28th September 2020
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SRT Hellcat said:
Many thanks. 900kg with 460bhp on Dunlop Crossplies makes it an interesting challenge being such a short wheel base car.

"Have i seen this TVR somewhere before,
Goodwood track day, MM maybe ?"

No. The restoration was only completed in May of last year. It has done a couple of test days and SPA in June of last year where I won both races in the Classic K. Very pleased for a first time out. This year like for most people has been a complete disaster. Have not even been out in the TVR. Let us hope next year is a far better year for everyone.
Must be another,can't be many ,sorry a little vague,it was definitely white ,pretty certain it was either a track day or MM practice or maybe Revival practice but not sure if it was pre or post 66 ,
Seen Mike Jordan blue car up there a few times,

Going back some 48 years a guy who was a regular at our local burger stand in his daily driven Tuscan,
Who would have thought . God that was a long time ago,didn't think i was that old.





Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 30th September 01:33

rat rod

4,997 posts

67 months

Tuesday 29th September 2020
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newsatten said:


70 Ram Air car, M20 Manual, 70000 miles a snip @ $235000 laugh
Great minds think alike,Only just noticed i'd used the same smiley as you,

Looked for that Challenger using the ref you gave me but either doesn't work or it's been taken off.
But did see a plum crazy one that was advertised by Mopar member for around £35k probably around a year ago ,sold it immediately only to see it re advertised a couple of days later for £45k even using the same photo's,
It's now gone up to £52k but with fresh photo's.

Makes the Historic's 440,6 pack car look a bargain.

As you said if it's gone to the trade could be up for £75k like you said.

Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 29th September 00:21

rat rod

4,997 posts

67 months

Tuesday 29th September 2020
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Rat rod, yeah 95K and its got a Hemi 4 Speed whatever one of those is !
Think one would be a tad disappointed to find it has'nt actually got a Hemi 8 Barrel motorlaugh

Seems everyone's trying there luck with prices to match !
And yes saw the Dodge, think i prefer the Pontiac Parisienne lol

Yeah TVR's are a bit Marmite , but do offer fab driving performance at affordable levels, a mate has a Speed Six late Tuscan, its a tad flimsy
but its scary quick, but his light weight Cerbra is superbike quick, the quickest car ive ever had a ride in, the car i sold to the guy from Munich
was Andy's too, i brought it from him , as he'd run out of garage space!

Im going to look for a ratty mid 70's Trans Am, its got to live outside so cosmetic condition is not really important, dont mind some corrosion as long as its not terminal laugh
as ive said my budget anit great but i could borrow a few quid if necessary lol...................................

Done anything regarding your TA???
Ye you would have all winter to get Parisienne ready for the summer,question is which summer.

Your mate is really into his TVR's, All ways fancied a Tuscan ,they sound incredible but scared it would fall apart on me just like that Griffith did and i only owned it for a few hours.
That speed six must be quick you being surrounded by fast cars most of your life.

I once asked a main TVR dealer why is there so many crashed TVR's for sale ,he said most owner's drive BMW's,Merc's ect all week with all the driving aids helping them not to crash and when they take their TVR's out with nothing on them at weekends and it's a little damp they crash into a tree.

I actually forgot i had another TVR, it was the round short stubby looking one ,had a 3 litre V6 from memory,think it was the model before the 3000M but looked similar, didn't like that either,

None of my business but is the T/A you are looking at the orange car with the bull nose front?

Haven't chased the T/A up ,been a bit slow but after seeing the one you posted tonight will get on to it tomorrow then ship it to the states.
Do you really think he will sell it,he can't be serious. can he!



roscobbc

3,411 posts

244 months

Tuesday 29th September 2020
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Took a test drive out in a new Griffth 500 some 20 years or so ago - this was to be a 'fun' car for 'er indoors - (yeah I know, bad idea. Ended up being a new MFG - yes, another bad story perhaps) - I was really impressed how well the TVR was balanced it was in terms of handling and power output etc. Less impressed with overpowering smell of glass fibre and the sound of small stones and pebbles beating a machine gun sound on the underside of the floor pan and wheel wells. I could perhaps overlook the kit-car screw threads visible in places. Less forgiving about the really 'sticky' 5 speed 'box and shifter set so far back. With a height of less than 5 foot 'er indoors would have needed the optional TVR seat bolster to stand a chance of her arms reaching the steering wheel - and then the seat was too low and she would have had to put an arm behind her to stand a chance of reaching the gearshift knob..........

rat rod

4,997 posts

67 months

Tuesday 29th September 2020
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roscobbc said:
Took a test drive out in a new Griffth 500 some 20 years or so ago - this was to be a 'fun' car for 'er indoors - (yeah I know, bad idea. Ended up being a new MFG - yes, another bad story perhaps) - I was really impressed how well the TVR was balanced it was in terms of handling and power output etc. Less impressed with overpowering smell of glass fibre and the sound of small stones and pebbles beating a machine gun sound on the underside of the floor pan and wheel wells. I could perhaps overlook the kit-car screw threads visible in places. Less forgiving about the really 'sticky' 5 speed 'box and shifter set so far back. With a height of less than 5 foot 'er indoors would have needed the optional TVR seat bolster to stand a chance of her arms reaching the steering wheel - and then the seat was too low and she would have had to put an arm behind her to stand a chance of reaching the gearshift knob..........
Now i know why TVR drivers look 4ft tall, I'm 5ft 5" on a good day and had a job to see over the instruments let alone the dashboard.

When i delivered the Griffith i lost the windscreen rubber on the motorway and the only way i could select reverse was to switch off the engine
then start it with my foot on the clutch and that was only after a couple of hours ownership.

On arrival at the main dealers that where buying it took it straight into the workshop,
Now i'm panicking as i only drew £5k difference on the car i sold. with no room to move on the agreed price.

They didn't seem that bothered about the windscreen rubber and although they noticed the reverse problem dismissed it by saying it's a TVR.
With cheque in hand next stop bank to complete my deal.

Sounds like i'm TVR bashing but i quite like them still, despite what i said ,just need to grow a bit.


Being a boat person and with the strong glass fibre smell no wonder newsatton likes TVR's ,makes him feel right at home, laugh







Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 29th September 19:20

newsatten

3,401 posts

116 months

Tuesday 29th September 2020
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SOOOOOOOO true laugh

i love the smell of polyester in the morning !
I did say they are marmite cars, if you get a car with a World Class Box they are a doddle, a real world English Muscle car, and like all proper muscle cars, drive them hard at your peril, which is why so many have been lauched, its not the cars fault , its drivers that are sh---
drivers,

Deffo mistake thinking they are a girly car, easy just buy a Boxster, I had a Taimar when i was a kid, done a shed load miles in it, never missed a beat!
Still the biggest bang for ones buck, I love em, and if a point and squirt thing is your thing, cant see anything at the price point which comes close,
The SE i had, lovely car, very quick but at legal speeds with the top up was very refined for a sports type machine, And ironically one could buy one for a fraction of the Blue TA above, and absolutely blow the doors off the yank, anywhere anytime laugh

getmecoat


roscobbc

3,411 posts

244 months

Tuesday 29th September 2020
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Talking this afternoon on the phone with one of my work colleagues back at base - he has owned his V6 S series TVR for 24 years - loves it and uses it on as many track days as he can.

newsatten

3,401 posts

116 months

Tuesday 29th September 2020
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Ive toyed with the idea of buying another one, for me the simple V8 rover powered cars are favourite, Tuscan's are very quick cars but feel a tad flimsy to me, very cool around the dash set up, but just a bit to precocious and to low for an olden like me laugh

And was'nt being funny having a dig at the TA, would have one in a heart beat, but i believe theres a fair percentage of would be buyers that actually believe the hype surrounding "muscle cars" and as ive stated before , yes they were quick in there day, now they are not!
But they have a charm and a smile factor thats off the scale, plus people that drive Lambo's stop a look!

I honestly think its a shame the way prices have gone, out of reach now for a lot of folk, these things are fun cars, not investments,

rat rod

4,997 posts

67 months

Tuesday 29th September 2020
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roscobbc said:
Talking this afternoon on the phone with one of my work colleagues back at base - he has owned his V6 S series TVR for 24 years - loves it and uses it on as many track days as he can.
Most guys don't keep their wives that long,
In a way i envy him,wish i could be happy with one car for that period.
My wish list is to long , if i won the lottery then i could keep adding and sell nothing.

If i could afford a F 40 then that would be a keeper then catch a bus everywhere during the week and look forward to the weekend for a drive.

rat rod

4,997 posts

67 months

Wednesday 30th September 2020
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newsatten said:
Ive toyed with the idea of buying another one, for me the simple V8 rover powered cars are favourite, Tuscan's are very quick cars but feel a tad flimsy to me, very cool around the dash set up, but just a bit to precocious and to low for an olden like me laugh

And was'nt being funny having a dig at the TA, would have one in a heart beat, but i believe theres a fair percentage of would be buyers that actually believe the hype surrounding "muscle cars" and as ive stated before , yes they were quick in there day, now they are not!
But they have a charm and a smile factor thats off the scale, plus people that drive Lambo's stop a look!

I honestly think its a shame the way prices have gone, out of reach now for a lot of folk, these things are fun cars, not investments,
We'll be moved to the TVR section soon.
I love raw cars,Had several high bhp Caterham 's,Westfield 11 with a proper engine, 2 Ram Cobra replica and a AK so the more basic the better so funny you should mention about a simple Rover V8 lump as you got me thinking about a V8 S .

Never looked at one but assume it's like a 280 but with more drama and less to fall off

Can't remember if it was the N.E.C or Earles Court but when i walked in one of the many entrances the first stand was TVR with the Speed 12 in pride of place.
A jaw dropping moment ,must have gone back 10 times or more.
I did read somewhere that someone was reproducing them with silly bhp and price to match but don't know if they are still going.
Your TVR mate will know all about that.

Love the Sagaris ,lovely size car but not at £85k which i recently saw advertised .

You have taken the words right out of my mouth regarding the yanks,
Stealing the thunder from Porsche drivers and most super cars is quite satisfying especially at a fraction of the price ,took my 59 coupe de ville to London and caused a sensation in the Kings rd making most super cars invisible.

Ye it's not the speed rather the theatre, drama and the noise , every journey an event instead of just a drive, almost like being in a movie plus you don't have to be doing a 150 mph to scare yourself ,that's possible at 80 mph.

You are so wright it is a huge shame the prices have gone the way they have,not just for us but the youngsters now can't afford a half decent yank like we could at their age,

That Mustang at Historics is a prime example of that, I advertised my 64 Falcon Sprint with a period Paxton Super Charger last year and got more enquires from the Goodwood set rather than say Ace Cafe crowd,
But you could tell they were slightly out of their depth and i ended up selling it through Silverstone Auctions at the Silverstone Classic with just one telephone bidder with the auctioneer running it up near to reserve.

Made a bit of a idiot of myself when a rather well dressed couple came to see my Bullitt Mustang, I got on my soap box saying that it's a shame that the people who should be owning these cars can no longer afford them now leaving it to bankers and footballers ,

On the demo ride i asked him has he had or got any classic cars and with that said yes ,infact l fall into the category you were referring to earlier ,he then went on to say he had a Dino,E Type,Aston V8,Aston V600 Le Mans and a Derby Bentley and was infact buying the Mustang for his wife to replace her Alfa Spider,
Don't think he would have said anything if i hadn't asked him.

I would have climbed into the clove box if i could, very nice bloke even put his overalls on and climbed all over it..
That will teach me to keep my mouth shut .
At least he bought the car and didn't give me a hard time.

Don't know if this yank craze will stay or just while it's fashionable to be seen in.

I sold a Charger to a well known classic dealer who in turn sold it to a banker but once he took it to the office a couple of times for everybody to see how cool he was but once he broke down in central London and then overheated in the Kings Rd in summer traffic the novelty wore off and phoned my dealer mate and told him to take it away and sell it for him as his new Rolls was due and didn't really go with not only that but his Porsche and Ferrari at his at his Chelsea Harbour home.

Rare top draw classics including yanks will always be at a premium but average ones that are just dragged up with the others maybe a different story, have you seen just how many Mustangs are now for sale .

It's so easy to go off thread when you have got eclectic taste like we have,Will try to get back on course if i can remember what it was.





Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 30th September 01:45

newsatten

3,401 posts

116 months

Thursday 1st October 2020
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laugh

Back to yanks!

And i sense a change, plenty of cars state side at sensible money, the Dollar/Pound rate is ok atm, 5% Vat on import, makes some of the hugely over priced pooh here look ,well overpriced!

I got offered a Scruffy but sound 70' Formula 400 4 speed , two owner car, Dry state car, needs dash pad, and interior work, but at 11K
probably a goer,

Ive always thought it was just to scary buying an old car, from a seller thousands of miles away, but with the ridiculous sums currently being sort from a large number of totall chancers , maybe it would be worth a punt,

That said theres a 69' ford XL on flea bay, a big block 390 / C6 car at 11,500 , this is a equal to a 390GT Fastback at 60K,
Trendy has a 50 Grand price taglaugh

rat rod

4,997 posts

67 months

Thursday 1st October 2020
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newsatten said:
laugh

Back to yanks!

And i sense a change, plenty of cars state side at sensible money, the Dollar/Pound rate is ok atm, 5% Vat on import, makes some of the hugely over priced pooh here look ,well overpriced!

I got offered a Scruffy but sound 70' Formula 400 4 speed , two owner car, Dry state car, needs dash pad, and interior work, but at 11K
probably a goer,

Ive always thought it was just to scary buying an old car, from a seller thousands of miles away, but with the ridiculous sums currently being sort from a large number of totall chancers , maybe it would be worth a punt,

That said theres a 69' ford XL on flea bay, a big block 390 / C6 car at 11,500 , this is a equal to a 390GT Fastback at 60K,
Trendy has a 50 Grand price taglaugh
That Formula 400 sounds a good substitute for a T/A ,at least it's the wright year and manual.
Should stand in for £14 £15k landed.

I expect you saw the Formula 400 on E Bay for £30k ,looked ok but nothing special

More interesting than say a 74/79 T/A in the UK and own one down from a 70 T/A for a fraction of the price..
My mate has bought 4 cars from the states just on photo's and maybe he's been lucky but they've been really nice cars as described.

Biggest worry for me would be not so much if the car is not as good as described more if it turns up at all.

You need big balls to send a large amount of money to a complete stranger that far away but hundreds do and if your a little disappointed in the condition at least you can put your mark on it, will just take a little longer.

Also the wait would kill me being impatient ,

My mate with 18 cars bought the 2 Mustangs and the Vette in the UK and bought the Charger in the States blind but did fly over for a weekend for the 59 409 Impala as it was big money.

Probably that's where the bargains are needing some work what with the price of labour here and there with the top cars being big money and sold to the USA bankers who couldn't put a screw in straight.

Could be worth a go , he who dares and all that.










Edited by rat rod on Friday 2nd October 13:29

rat rod

4,997 posts

67 months

Friday 2nd October 2020
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Sorry didn't last long but thought this may be worth mentioning ,

Seems good value compared to the Formula 400 and maybe less risk, 97 TVR Griffith 500,
unusual in white, 46,000 miles , looks mint in photo's.
Not practical with winter coming and you said has to stand outside but the estimate looked sensible for a 500,

It's going for auction on the 14th by HH Auctions at the Imperial War Museum at Duxford.

Just a thought , back on course tomorrow.

Probably easier to have linked it but don't know how or even if i could on this machine

Edited by rat rod on Friday 2nd October 08:11

newsatten

3,401 posts

116 months

Friday 2nd October 2020
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Hey RR, thanks for the heads up regarding the Griff,
I'l have a look,

And yes ive always thought the same about buying from the US, given these cars are around 50 years old, had totally rubbish build when new,
were absolutely worthless for most of there life, bashed,crashed, robbed, the list is endless, factor in people who flog old bangers are generally dodgy, the chances of being fleeced are very very likely lol,
But if said turd is 10-12 state side, 3k ish delivered, 14-15, chances are the self same turd would be 20K if its already here, as we seen turds appearing daily , with stupid price tags,
so taking a punt on an import dont seem quite so scary now laugh





rat rod

4,997 posts

67 months

Friday 2nd October 2020
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newsatten said:
Hey RR, thanks for the heads up regarding the Griff,
I'l have a look,

And yes ive always thought the same about buying from the US, given these cars are around 50 years old, had totally rubbish build when new,
were absolutely worthless for most of there life, bashed,crashed, robbed, the list is endless, factor in people who flog old bangers are generally dodgy, the chances of being fleeced are very very likely lol,
But if said turd is 10-12 state side, 3k ish delivered, 14-15, chances are the self same turd would be 20K if its already here, as we seen turds appearing daily , with stupid price tags,
so taking a punt on an import dont seem quite so scary now laugh




What's going on,for some reason you got me looking at TVR's and i don't really like them after my experiences with them,
But for some reason this one looks a bit special and should be bloody quick..

Not keen on white normally,only like 911's, 3dr Cosi's and some yanks in the colour, but with the what looks like grey interior this one is a little different from the green's, blue's that most TVR's are in.

Only problem for you is that it looks like it doesn't need any work and you will get bored and be looking something you can resurrect

My ex business partner is like you, he's on his 7th body off nut and bolt restoration mainly British and Italian and when he's finished he doesn't even drive them ,seems to get more pleasure in the build than the drive..
Then goes out to look for another one to start all over again and he's 74! .

I'm not sure if i got the balls or the patience to import a yank, in fact if it wasn't for bad luck i wouldn't have any at all. If there's a scam it will happen to me.
Don't get me wrong i get there eventually but seem to get tripped up through any process , put it this way you wouldn't want to go on holiday and get on the same plane as me.

I think the only way i would buy from the States is make a holiday of it and if the car is a dog at least i can go and look at others as such a wide choice once your there,
Dream would be to cruise around in the car for a couple of weeks rather than hire something modern.

Unlike you i'm not capable of anything major so would have to buy something close to being ready so would involve risking more money hence my nervousness.

At the moment can't even get into the country so that's not going to happen any time soon.



PS Just been watching Roger Boliger's Racing 71 T/A on You Tube, well worth a look if you haven't already.






Edited by rat rod on Friday 2nd October 23:40

SRT Hellcat

7,049 posts

219 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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I bought this in site unseen from the US back in 2004. A genuine 70 1/2 Z28 with 4 speed manual but it had a 427 in it sold as a COPO car.
I picked it up from Chatham Docks when it arrived.
The guys there where very helpful and even back then said most imported US muscle car stuff was never as described.
There was a 68 Charger and something else that guys had just left there as they were piles of rust.
Thankfully the car looked great as in the pictures.
Down sides
It was not a COPO but at least it was a Z28
Vin tags missing.
I never got the original hood as we agreed.
All four wheels where badly buckled
The 4 link had been refitted and run under the rear chassis rails putting dents in both of them
Engine hard bolted to the subframe with no engine mounts
Headers would scrape the floor on even slight undulations in the road
Braided fuel lines ran too close to the exhaust system. I only noticed when I could see melted rubber bleeding out of the braided hose.
No wipers or washers. Quite common for a California car.
There was some other stuff that I cannot remember. I fixed everything up but only kept the car a short while.
I paid too much as a friend did not advise me correctly on how to import a classic in from the states. That dumbfounded me until I discovered his wife took care of all the import stuff.
Anyway you live and learn.
Thankfully I have a really great guy in New Hampshire Garry LePlant. Has his own shop and does a lot of trailering.
Apart from the Hellcat he helped me bring in he also looked at another car I bought and collected it and took it to the Jersey docks for me. You really need someone you can trust stateside or you could end up getting your fingers really burnt

newsatten

3,401 posts

116 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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Yep seen this type of thing , think its pretty standardlaugh
One just cant return it ! lol................

On the face of it, the Z'd looks ok, a monster Rat motor, 4 speed, posi etc, looks like a weapon, but how does it drive? does it behave in traffic?
All of which can be sorted, but the cost just spirals upward.

As ive said ive considered the possibility but its very unlikely i'l actually do it, having been in the motor trade for 40 years, i seen far to many scallywags laugh

But one has to be a realist , my budget is poor, so i'l only be able to buy a turd, which is the rub really, if a turd is offered at turd money then the status quo is maintained, however when one steps outside these parameters the buyer bewareyikes


newsatten

3,401 posts

116 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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[quote= rat rod]
What's going on,for some reason you got me looking at TVR's and i don't really like them after my experiences with them,
But for some reason this one looks a bit special and should be bloody quick..

Not keen on white normally,only like 911's, 3dr Cosi's and some yanks in the colour, but with the what looks like grey interior this one is a little different from the green's, blue's that most TVR's are in.

Only problem for you is that it looks like it doesn't need any work and you will get bored and be looking something you can resurrect

My ex business partner is like you, he's on his 7th body off nut and bolt restoration mainly British and Italian and when he's finished he doesn't even drive them ,seems to get more pleasure in the build than the drive..
Then goes out to look for another one to start all over again and he's 74! .

I'm not sure if i got the balls or the patience to import a yank, in fact if it wasn't for bad luck i wouldn't have any at all. If there's a scam it will happen to me.
Don't get me wrong i get there eventually but seem to get tripped up through any process , put it this way you wouldn't want to go on holiday and get on the same plane as me.

I think the only way i would buy from the States is make a holiday of it and if the car is a dog at least i can go and look at others as such a wide choice once your there,
Dream would be to cruise around in the car for a couple of weeks rather than hire something modern.

Unlike you i'm not capable of anything major so would have to buy something close to being ready so would involve risking more money hence my nervousness.

At the moment can't even get into the country so that's not going to happen any time soon.



PS Just been watching Roger Boliger's Racing 71 T/A on You Tube, well worth a look if you haven't already.
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Yep seen a fair bit of this epic machine, the shear grunt is pretty amazing!

And yes am with you on the scary punt kinda thing! my balls are probably far to small to take a chance laugh

As whatever i buy will have to live outside, and this time of year is a bit pants really, damp and generally a bit crap,and with my pending knee op even if i found something its unlikely much would get done!
One of things i regret is not buying a home with a big double garage !
we looked at one which would have been perfect for me, but my wife wasn't so impressed laugh

So i'l just keep window shopping, something may come up!
You brought the TA yet???