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rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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Dont do it nono

A wobbly C1 for a Lambo laugh

Sell the Gallardo and buy the TA and a useable 57 Tbird simple ..............................................................joking aside great position to be in,

Times are so strange now, i couldn't live or want any car that caused unnecessary stress, there will always be a element of slight uncertainly
when it comes to 50 year old cars, its part and parcel of there charm,
But you'l never worry about huge repair bill's, fuel bill's oh yes laugh RR your fortunate to have such a envious dilemma clap
Correct answer, go to the top of the class.teacher Yes that would be the best scenario.

Problem is that a C1 has always been on the top of my wish list , but when they were £25k,
Now they seem over priced compared to a T/bird .That is why i was looking for T/ bird last year.

The guy did advertise the C1 once but took it off after being plagued with dopey questions.

He advertised it for £65k which seems inline with the others, only problem is that it's fitted with a
350 instead of the 283 and has period hot rod wheels with large whites, I quite like it that way but can't
help feeling that at that sort of money it's a different buyer,more collector and wants matching numbers and original
wheels and caps.

I've got a set of 50's Vette caps hanging on my wall next to the steering wheels so all i need is a set
of steel wheels which are pretty standard i think, just can't do anything about the engine.

Ye ,the T/A and a 57 T/bird would be the perfect pair, muscle and a cruiser.

That 7 months of not having the car was a very stressful time especially with the guy lying to me all the time.
My insurance company said that they wouldn't insure the car while it was in his care as being in business
he should have his own which didn't help as i didn't know whether he did or not and i couldn't collect it either as it was still in bits..

The yanks never bothered me when things go wrong,it was all doable but there's no short cuts on these type of cars with no one to get you out of trouble.This is the first time i've had any real trouble with this sort car caused mainly because of all the complex electronics which was then compounded by the fact through no fault of my own getting involved with a crook.

On a lighter note here's one for the diary, Sunday on ch5 think they said 9 o'clock , "We love Dads Army," documentary with old footage that's never been seen before. Pike, silly boy and they don't like it up em comes to mind.


Edited by rat rod on Friday 4th December 01:11

newsatten

3,375 posts

115 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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The whole C1 one thing confuses me, to me a C1 is a 53/54 single headlamp each side, (funny looking thing) and a 6 Banger Blue Flame motor the Route66 car, twin headlamps, side coves, (great looking thing) with a proper mouse V8 still a C1, but should be a C2 laugh

RR im assuming you hanker after the good looking one ! If so disregard what i said yesterday lol......................... talking Bl----s as per laugh
If youve wanted one, go for it, youve had the Tranny, and the Birds, maybe the C1.5 lol is your bucket list motor...................
Like an early TA is mine, i cant afford to finance my wants but you obviously can, go for it , lifes to short...........................
283/327 350 Bah Bah, a mouse is a mouse, a Dz 302 and a M22 would be my choice laugh


I'l deffo have a look at the Dads Army thing, im still in Whitstable's home guard, code name Regent Coaches smash



roscobbc

3,399 posts

243 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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Corvettes seem to exemplify, no - seriously exaggerate the logic of updating body styles in a half hearted manner. I.e a very 'late' C1 has a very 'early' C2 rear end. Some of the quite significant (and minor too) body and style changes relate to just one year of production. My own C3, being the first year of production (although actually 'late' if relating to American production runs - it was produced in April '68). C3 was the first 'clean sheet' Corvette design although many non-visible mechanical parts were carried over from the '67 C2. The '67 itself shouldn't have existed and was carried over from '66 as the C3 wasn't ready for production in 1967 as originally planned. Despite the '69 and subsequent C3's being at first glance identical many C3 features and components are specific to that year. Sorry - I'm off on one............and then we had the '73 - chrome bumper rear - rubber bumper front .....wtf!
T'Bird prices seem to have remained static for many years. Ever sat in a 58- 60 'Squarebird' - Marmite external styling perhaps but what an interior - and sitting so low inside. A really overlooked car. My laddo has a '62 'Bird. Edelbrock headed with headers and a mild cam - topped of with a 'period' dual quad OEM FoMoCo inlet and a pair of small Holleys. Remakable bit of precision ally casting being dual-plane (not single plane) and remarkably efficient.......

Edited by roscobbc on Friday 4th December 16:06

rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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newsatten said:
The whole C1 one thing confuses me, to me a C1 is a 53/54 single headlamp each side, (funny looking thing) and a 6 Banger Blue Flame motor the Route66 car, twin headlamps, side coves, (great looking thing) with a proper mouse V8 still a C1, but should be a C2 laugh

RR im assuming you hanker after the good looking one ! If so disregard what i said yesterday lol......................... talking Bl----s as per laugh
If youve wanted one, go for it, youve had the Tranny, and the Birds, maybe the C1.5 lol is your bucket list motor...................
Like an early TA is mine, i cant afford to finance my wants but you obviously can, go for it , lifes to short...........................
283/327 350 Bah Bah, a mouse is a mouse, a Dz 302 and a M22 would be my choice laugh


I'l deffo have a look at the Dads Army thing, im still in Whitstable's home guard, code name Regent Coaches smash

=Whitstable home guard, code name Regent Coaches ,laughSounds like my sort of place, like time stood still.
There's a department store in a small town come village called New Milton in the New Forest , It always reminds me of "Are you being served"



Never looked at it that way, yes it's the 58/59 i like, although over done would like one in red with white coves plus wide whites please ,been told they don't drive that well,a little old fashion and shaky ,
but it's a cruiser not a bruiser and looks like a mobile duke box so would have to put up with it.

Also love the C2 as well, like the series one E Type i love the coupe as well as the roaster. Think the coupe would win
unless it's a hot day but must be a manual with the factory finned knock off's and factory side exhaust If my numbers come up tonight i'll have both and the E Types.

We should be grateful for what we got but with this disease i'm always looking for the next one, My mate own's a nut and bolt
concours MG C Roadster, It was 2 years old when he bought it, Like you he done the restoration himself, Still loves the car and
doesn't want anything else.Sometimes wish i could be like that.











Edited by rat rod on Friday 4th December 20:39

newsatten

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Friday 4th December 2020
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For me this is the Vette that truly rivaled Italian exotica, Fabulous looking and performing GT coupe,
The roof line is perfect, as are the door tops, abating to the roof.......................................................................................

From every angle this model is lovely, cant say that about an early E' laugh


rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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roscobbc said:
Corvettes seem to exemplify, no - seriously exaggerate the logic of updating body styles in a half hearted manner. I.e a very 'late' C1 has a very 'early' C2 rear end. Some of the quite significant (and minor too) body and style changes relate to just one year of production. My own C3, being the first year of production (although actually 'late' if relating to American production runs - it was produced in April '68). C3 was the first 'clean sheet' Corvette design although many non-visible mechanical parts were carried over from the '67 C2. The '67 itself shouldn't have existed and was carried over from '66 as the C3 wasn't ready for production in 1967 as originally planned. Despite the '69 and subsequent C3's being at first glance identical many C3 features and components are specific to that year. Sorry - I'm off on one............and then we had the '73 - chrome bumper rear - rubber bumper front .....wtf!
T'Bird prices seem to have remained static for many years. Ever sat in a 58- 60 'Squarebird' - Marmite external styling perhaps but what an interior - and sitting so low inside. A really overlooked car. My laddo has a '62 'Bird. Edelbrock headed with headers and a mild cam - topped of with a 'period' dual quad OEM FoMoCo inlet and a pair of small Holleys. Remakable bit of precision ally casting being dual-plane (not single plane) and remarkably efficient.......

Edited by roscobbc on Friday 4th December 16:06
There's not a lot you don't know about Vette's , I know a bit about all of them but not much about any of them if that makes sense.

Lost my 308 GTS and ex Motor Show Cobra replica in my eye watering divorce and after seeing what was left i bought my first chrome bumper C3 ,Think it reminded me of a 63 GTO,

That was followed by a 68 yellow roadster with 2 door handles ,what is that all about, then a 70 split roof in the most gorgeous
dark green metallic. both manuals. Was noticeably quicker than the others and someone in the club told me it was a factory
high performance model but can't remember which one.

Didn't need 2 so advertised the roadster because the green one was quite a special car. A Lady called me and said she's always wanted a yellow C3 so i though it 's as good as sold, No, she didn't like it ,shouldn't have'd parked the green one next to it.
Anyhow she bought the green one and had it repainted yellow which was a shame as it looked so much better in that shade of green.

Prefer the egg crate grilles on the 70 with Rally wheels ,had quite a few since most being dogs , apart from the green one most of them
have done their best to kill me. I assume that yours is well sorted especially with that monster engine.

I had a 61 squarebird for a while ,loved the fact it was a bit quirky and very much a Marmite car. I thought it was just me noticed the low seats
being a short ass i had a job seeing over the steering wheel,not much fun carrying a cushion round with you .

It was followed by a red 55 with hard top ,Got fed up with my mates calling it a 2 seater Consul convertible for that reason i would love a 57.

The last T/bird i had was a 66 convertible in the same colour as Thelma and Louise's car , Loved the interior and the dash looked like something out of Thunderbirds are go, excuse the pun . Sold it to a guy who had already bought a Cuda from me a couple of years before .He had a collection of film cars which he hired out .

You don't find many modified T/birds let alone with that much work done ,must be like father like son. The last modified one i saw was Bill Shepherds squarebird at the Goodwood Revival . Love the afterburner rear lights and the sharp edged corsair like front on that model,
Don't know if it's the bucket seats and the rap around dash with the large central consul but they don't feel as big as they are.

Like most of us i've been involved with cars since i was 14 and use to pinch my dads Healey out of the garage and go for a joy ride when
he was out , Did confess to him some time after i passed my test but he didn't look to impressed.













Edited by rat rod on Saturday 5th December 01:34

rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Friday 4th December 2020
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For me this is the Vette that truly rivaled Italian exotica, Fabulous looking and performing GT coupe,
The roof line is perfect, as are the door tops, abating to the roof.......................................................................................

From every angle this model is lovely, cant say that about an early E' laugh

No! No! No! you can't keep doing that to me, At least you could have giving me some warning.banghead

That is stunning, same colours as my old roadster, Still got the Corgi model i had when i was a kid, Bought 2 for some reason,
1 for playing with and 1 for polishing i should imagine, well nothing changed there then.Don't know where the other ones gone.
Perhaps my bother borrowed it and forgot to give it back,must ask him ,maybe he hid it in his golf bag .

The girl who has a beach hut close to me has a 63 Morris Minor 1000 convertible and brings it to the beach in the summer
and i parked the C2 next to her's and she couldn't believe they were built in the same year, the Vette looked like it had just
landed in comparison. Wasn't her cup of tea ,much preferred MG A's but she would driving a moggie.

Could have bought a 66 coupe with the boot area full of show winning cups at Silverstone auction for a similar figure to the
Gallardo around the same time, Another regret especially while going through that nightmare for 7 months.

As i said looks like i'm going to go backwards before i go forward.Mine you i've been doing that all my life.


roscobbc

3,399 posts

243 months

Saturday 5th December 2020
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rat rod said:
quote-Prefer the egg crate grilles on the 70 with Rally wheels ,had quite a few since most being dogs , apart from the green one most of them
have done their best to kill me. I assume that yours is well sorted especially with that monster engine.

You don't find many modified T/birds let alone with that much work done ,must be like father and son. The last modified one i saw was Bill Shepherds squarebird at the Goodwood Revival -end quote

RR I agree about the eggcrate grille and 'gills' - for me, yes its the '70 and '71 as the peak in terms of styling. Your comment "most of them have done their best to kill me" - my '68 hasn't got power brakes............one learns to distance yourself fro other vehicles and apply power commensurate with how much 'run-off' is available. Despite 50% more HP and tq over stock figures its surprisingly manageable and 'digs-in' well - literally feather it-off the line, planting the right foot once moving gets the front up in the air and the rear end squatting with minimal spin-up. Once through first and second gear the front-end settles but third gear on less than perfect road surfaces gets rather 'squirrely' at higher speeds. So still a potential 'widow-maker'
Oddly car my son's 'Bird came from New Zealand of all places. 61-63 T'birds amaze me, especially ones that have been in the UK from nearly new. With a unitary body you'd have thought most of them would have rusted-out or had severe structural issues. An period equivalent full size 'chassised' American sedan weighs-in at, say 3800lbs give or take. A unitary '58-60 Squarebird is also 3800lbs - yet a 61-63 t'Bird is 4200lbs.......perhaps the extra 500lbs is in thicker steel? They are relatively long cars but generally 4" narrower than equivalent sedans of the period.








Edited by roscobbc on Saturday 5th December 00:28

newsatten

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Monday 7th December 2020
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Well a Four headlamp /// two headlamp model confused WTF...................................
fabulous looking car whatever laugh

Well me monster Tach turned up, lesson dont buy from the internet , things look smaller on a screen! its so big i think i;l have to fit it in the trunk laugh

Good job it wasn't overly pricey .....................................................

roscobbc

3,399 posts

243 months

Monday 7th December 2020
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C1 and C2 Vette just knock me out in terms of style - a 'blue collar' car with the style to match (and in most cases exceed) anything that came out of Italy, France or the UK - OK, so perhaps not the sheer quality of a hand fabricated car - but hey, if some of those European classic wern't so expensive to start with would anyone have 'saved' and restored them......?
Seen this over the way on Rods 'n' Sods for sale @ $87K

newsatten

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Monday 7th December 2020
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I suppose when compared the an Aston from the same period , the price aint shocking really...............................
that sort of money would buy an ok early E coupe, then one would need to throw another 50K at it laugh

Great looking motor, probably the next must have for the Tweed wearing guy around town ..............................................................


rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Tuesday 8th December 2020
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Well a Four headlamp /// two headlamp model confused WTF...................................
fabulous looking car whatever laugh

Well me monster Tach turned up, lesson dont buy from the internet , things look smaller on a screen! its so big i think i;l have to fit it in the trunk laugh

Good job it wasn't overly pricey .....................................................
Two headlights are better than one,not keen on the 61/62 with C2 rear.The one i was offered hasn't got a hard top but there's a second hand one
for sale for £3k but needs work,they don't look that good with hood up, hard top or hood down is best.

Those large Tach's do dominate the smaller cars but should look ok on the Challenger, have had them on some of my cars,mainly for drag racing when they need to be large or if you got poor eye sight like me.

Somehow a tweed cap just wouldn't look wright in that 427, agree i never thought i would say this but i don't think it's expensive.

Surely worth more in the States, seen them for $125/£135k over there .
Nothing not to like.

Anyone want to buy a Gallardo cheap ! cheap!



Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 8th December 10:04

rat rod

4,997 posts

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Tuesday 8th December 2020
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roscobbc said:
C1 and C2 Vette just knock me out in terms of style - a 'blue collar' car with the style to match (and in most cases exceed) anything that came out of Italy, France or the UK - OK, so perhaps not the sheer quality of a hand fabricated car - but hey, if some of those European classic wern't so expensive to start with would anyone have 'saved' and restored them......?
Seen this over the way on Rods 'n' Sods for sale @ $87K
Saw this on "Car and Classic" but with no price so thought it would be a lot more than the $87k

Mind you Rays always been sensible with his prices.

427 with those wheels, factory side pipes, M22 box ,low mileage and ownership and looks a good honest car ,got a lot going for it,

You are so wright this has to be as near if not better than most Europeans have to offer.

Where the C1 looks pretty and very rock and roll this C2 looks really serious especially in black.

One of each please.

newsatten

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Tuesday 8th December 2020
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Im actually quite taken with the red car, i prefer the single lamp look, deffo has Italian influence, lovely small and neat bumper,ets suit it to perfection.
i guess it looks nicely understated , totally out of my league , but these days that applies to pretty much any and everything laugh
However i cant help feeling that all the C1's are ever so slightly a tad Cheer Leader-ish, great to look at and that's about it lol.............

The C2 however is a different animal, HiPo motors, IRs, all be it with a weird spring set up, never been in one for cant comment on the ride,
both my C3's drove ok, i would never buy another one though, too Bruce Wayne laugh

So RR have we blown the TA out ???? miles better car than a vette, lol.................................

newsatten

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Tuesday 8th December 2020
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Another year gone by, i still want one laugh.............................................................

rat rod

4,997 posts

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Tuesday 8th December 2020
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Im actually quite taken with the red car, i prefer the single lamp look, deffo has Italian influence, lovely small and neat bumper,ets suit it to perfection.
i guess it looks nicely understated , totally out of my league , but these days that applies to pretty much any and everything laugh
However i cant help feeling that all the C1's are ever so slightly a tad Cheer Leader-ish, great to look at and that's about it lol.............

The C2 however is a different animal, HiPo motors, IRs, all be it with a weird spring set up, never been in one for cant comment on the ride,
both my C3's drove ok, i would never buy another one though, too Bruce Wayne laugh

So RR have we blown the TA out ???? miles better car than a vette, lol.................................
Never herd of a car being called cheer leader-ish before, you just made a new word up.No definitely 2 headlights for me,
Never driven a C1 but expecting it not to be great ,It would be just for cruising round in my cheer leaders outfit . driving

I really do like that 427 C2 though, Not often do you get the complete package ,it's got every box ticked ,
There's 4 on the classifieds on here, A 327's £64,995 another for £72,500 and someone having a laugh at £119,995
Also a 427 with a 454 so not matching no's for £69,995 all coupe's so don't think price to bad and will ship it for that and maybe room for some negotiation as well leaving only the duties ,

It will drive a million times better than a C1 ,sort of XK 150 compared to a E Type i suppose.
My roadster drove ok, a little shaky but did drive a mates modified 427 coupe and it felt much tighter and solid on the road.

Looks like i'll be going to Italy before Scotland at this rate as parts still haven't arrived and with a Christmas factory closure
could go on into the new year.

An Italian road trip is on my things to do but was thinking more driving through sun drenched Tuscan gape vines rather than winter
rain,wind and snow.

T/A not blow out yet but the owner may decide to advertise it as have seen he has listed 2 of his other cars ,
Wants £45k and needs some paintwork but not seen it so don't know how much, If £35k will be up there tomorrow as Dart and Ruby
will almost cover it .


Would have been easier to have kept mine but something had to go, just sold the wrong car that's all.



newsatten

3,375 posts

115 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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The C 2 with a big block all day long!
For cruising a 57 T bird all day long !
Imho without doubt the best looking
Convertible the yanks ever produced
A 57 and a Ram Air TA I'd be done lol
Alas just a dream for me !

I'll keep a eye out for the TA , I've got
a couple of people after the Dodge
I'd need to get back 30 for it to be a
Go'er
The main dilemma would do I want to
Start all over again, squaring and painting
Etc ???
RR please buy it ! It will save me tons of
work lol...

rat rod

4,997 posts

66 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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newsatten said:
The C 2 with a big block all day long!
For cruising a 57 T bird all day long !
Imho without doubt the best looking
Convertible the yanks ever produced
A 57 and a Ram Air TA I'd be done lol
Alas just a dream for me !

I'll keep a eye out for the TA , I've got
a couple of people after the Dodge
I'd need to get back 30 for it to be a
Go'er
The main dilemma would do I want to
Start all over again, squaring and painting
Etc ???
RR please buy it ! It will save me tons of
work lol...
Life would be a lot easier if we were happy with one car , The 3 you mentioned would be perfect but even with them in the garage
you would still be looking over your shoulder .I know i do, there's around 6 auctions coming up before Christmas and i've picked
around 5 that need buying and that's eliminating another 6 out of the equation.Just need 2 things, a aircraft hanger and a lotto win.

Should know better at our age but for me it seems to be getting worse.rolleyes


newsatten

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Wednesday 9th December 2020
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laugh

Trouble is time of year, cold and gloomy is bad enough without the nightmare that Covid had forced on us,
The wife and i have just been Christmas Shopping, which normally is something we both enjoy, we always combine it with a few beers, a very nice lunch, we get the bus, so no parking issues and no DD convictionslaugh

This year we were glad to get home! Shops are half stocked, Canterbury is seriously going down hill, dossers and drunks in every closed shop front, kids openly smoking weed in the city parks, never see a copper,
The cars are our escape from the gloom, they take us back to sooooo much better times, simple cars, simple times, the polar opposite of life in2020.....................................

Maybe its a case of the more you have the more you want, cars are like beers one just aint enough! but if they are nice the cars have to be garaged, ive one single garage, trying to rent one around here is all but impossible, so if i did get another car its going to be a turd laugh

RR keep the Lambo ..........................it may be a bit fragile , but what a fabulous thing to own, stuff of dreams for most of us,
I know its contradictory to what said above, if ones lucky enough to be able to have both old and newish muscle cars sounds bl--dy perfect to me !


rat rod

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Wednesday 9th December 2020
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newsatten said:
laugh
I don't
Trouble is time of year, cold and gloomy is bad enough without the nightmare that Covid had forced on us,
The wife and i have just been Christmas Shopping, which normally is something we both enjoy, we always combine it with a few beers, a very nice lunch, we get the bus, so no parking issues and no DD convictionslaugh

This year we were glad to get home! Shops are half stocked, Canterbury is seriously going down hill, dossers and drunks in every closed shop front, kids openly smoking weed in the city parks, never see a copper,
The cars are our escape from the gloom, they take us back to sooooo much better times, simple cars, simple times, the polar opposite of life in2020.....................................

Maybe its a case of the more you have the more you want, cars are like beers one just aint enough! but if they are nice the cars have to be garaged, ive one single garage, trying to rent one around here is all but impossible, so if i did get another car its going to be a turd laugh

RR keep the Lambo ..........................it may be a bit fragile , but what a fabulous thing to own, stuff of dreams for most of us,
I know its contradictory to what said above, if ones lucky enough to be able to have both old and newish muscle cars sounds bl--dy perfect to me !

You have a way with words, Agree with you word for word , I went to town just before lock down and it's the same here.
The aroma of cannabis was everywhere,Become the norm.

As i said i don't smoke or drink ,not that i got a problem with it ,just don't like the taste of alcohol and would choke on a cigarette,
My mate said he will get his wife to bake me a special kind of cafe but i'm still waiting.

I'll stick to my cars ,there like a drug anyway, the only way i can clear my head of all the junk that's rolling round in it.

The Gallardo's going,just don't know when. ,although a early one it's got to much electrics in it, 15 years of it.

Need to get back to nuts and bolts whether Italian or yank although do fancy a Z06 C6 or a 650 bhp Camaro ZL 1 if going modern,

Here we go again. scratchchin