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newsatten said:
Err lifted from a MMA as per! there's a couple of guys who just keep coming up with these little gems !
35k is about right for the TA, as it would be very easy to do another 15, i'd love it, but really dont think i could do another bare metal resto in my tiny garage
Ive found a couple in the states around that money , but way to scary on a F body , 50 years old and 5000 miles away................ no way Pedro
Im guessing your now in level 4? good grief its going to be a very long winter,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Edited by newsatten on Thursday 31st December 16:18
just listed on Car and Classic tonight ,looks ok at first but bits and pieces the more you look,not dear at £7995 being a F 400, but
it's in Deven in the middle of a lock down. Been the Spring be a nice weekend away and may come back with a Pontiac.
Mind you it's not 5,000 miles away and you can see it before you part with the cash.
newsatten said:
Yeah its on Ebay to, alas impossible to do anything atm!
No i'l sit tight for now, plus may not have a job next week!
Supposed to be seeing my Consultant next Tuesday, im guessing its going to be cancelled? as will my knee op! but i'l have to wait and see!
While you are restoring his cars while paying you a wage at least he can save a percentage of that on tax,
Cost him lots more if he had to farm the work out. think you might be to must of a asset to him. hope so .
The UK and most countries are on their knees both financially and mentally. .
The first 3 mouth lockdown was accompanied by a exceptionaly hot spring but now we are so warn down with the uncertain end to it.
As you say just got to sit tight like it or not.
Edited by rat rod on Friday 1st January 17:36
yes without a doubt, it was easier first time round, the winters dark sky's and the cold really get ya down in a normal winter, but at least we could have wandered down the pub, my local is Called " The Rose in Bloom" we refer to it as the Doom and Gloom
A bit unfair really lol.................................... its an ok Pub, nice big fire , pretty much what winters day are made for, weve been about twice since March!
And yeah im not really expecting to get the gooner , but the bus trade has taken a big hit, apart from a few scheduled routes the only thing keeping us going is the school runs, and rail replacement, if the schools dont return we really aint needed!
I have got work to do, all be it my bosses private fleet! The MGA is a pretty looking car, not a Twin Cam, needs some major work really, one of thoses cars the look ok, till you really look!
Anyway i'l worry about that next week, my knee has got worse, no doubt as i can no longer go for walks, this has steadily got harder to do over the last 6 months, but as with most things could be worse!......................................
I did toy with having a run out, the roads were dry, but looked a tad salty, so gave that best and packed away all the Christmas Dec's ,
A bit unfair really lol.................................... its an ok Pub, nice big fire , pretty much what winters day are made for, weve been about twice since March!
And yeah im not really expecting to get the gooner , but the bus trade has taken a big hit, apart from a few scheduled routes the only thing keeping us going is the school runs, and rail replacement, if the schools dont return we really aint needed!
I have got work to do, all be it my bosses private fleet! The MGA is a pretty looking car, not a Twin Cam, needs some major work really, one of thoses cars the look ok, till you really look!
Anyway i'l worry about that next week, my knee has got worse, no doubt as i can no longer go for walks, this has steadily got harder to do over the last 6 months, but as with most things could be worse!......................................
I did toy with having a run out, the roads were dry, but looked a tad salty, so gave that best and packed away all the Christmas Dec's ,
newsatten said:
yes without a doubt, it was easier first time round, the winters dark sky's and the cold really get ya down in a normal winter, but at least we could have wandered down the pub, my local is Called " The Rose in Bloom" we refer to it as the Doom and Gloom
A bit unfair really lol.................................... its an ok Pub, nice big fire , pretty much what winters day are made for, weve been about twice since March!
And yeah im not really expecting to get the gooner , but the bus trade has taken a big hit, apart from a few scheduled routes the only thing keeping us going is the school runs, and rail replacement, if the schools dont return we really aint needed!
I have got work to do, all be it my bosses private fleet! The MGA is a pretty looking car, not a Twin Cam, needs some major work really, one of thoses cars the look ok, till you really look!
Anyway i'l worry about that next week, my knee has got worse, no doubt as i can no longer go for walks, this has steadily got harder to do over the last 6 months, but as with most things could be worse!......................................
I did toy with having a run out, the roads were dry, but looked a tad salty, so gave that best and packed away all the Christmas Dec's ,
I started on the school runs the week before Christmas. Supposed to resume on the 11th. Thankless work, compounded by a 4-hour per day, 200km commute. The only thing is, that's the only work we have coming in. At least I have a Van Hool T911, rather than some horrid midibus!A bit unfair really lol.................................... its an ok Pub, nice big fire , pretty much what winters day are made for, weve been about twice since March!
And yeah im not really expecting to get the gooner , but the bus trade has taken a big hit, apart from a few scheduled routes the only thing keeping us going is the school runs, and rail replacement, if the schools dont return we really aint needed!
I have got work to do, all be it my bosses private fleet! The MGA is a pretty looking car, not a Twin Cam, needs some major work really, one of thoses cars the look ok, till you really look!
Anyway i'l worry about that next week, my knee has got worse, no doubt as i can no longer go for walks, this has steadily got harder to do over the last 6 months, but as with most things could be worse!......................................
I did toy with having a run out, the roads were dry, but looked a tad salty, so gave that best and packed away all the Christmas Dec's ,
newsatten said:
yes without a doubt, it was easier first time round, the winters dark sky's and the cold really get ya down in a normal winter, but at least we could have wandered down the pub, my local is Called " The Rose in Bloom" we refer to it as the Doom and Gloom
A bit unfair really lol.................................... its an ok Pub, nice big fire , pretty much what winters day are made for, weve been about twice since March!
And yeah im not really expecting to get the gooner , but the bus trade has taken a big hit, apart from a few scheduled routes the only thing keeping us going is the school runs, and rail replacement, if the schools dont return we really aint needed!
I have got work to do, all be it my bosses private fleet! The MGA is a pretty looking car, not a Twin Cam, needs some major work really, one of thoses cars the look ok, till you really look!
Anyway i'l worry about that next week, my knee has got worse, no doubt as i can no longer go for walks, this has steadily got harder to do over the last 6 months, but as with most things could be worse!......................................
I did toy with having a run out, the roads were dry, but looked a tad salty, so gave that best and packed away all the Christmas Dec's ,
We can only rise above this for so long, Sounds like you got a lot on your plate at the moment with all this uncertainty plusA bit unfair really lol.................................... its an ok Pub, nice big fire , pretty much what winters day are made for, weve been about twice since March!
And yeah im not really expecting to get the gooner , but the bus trade has taken a big hit, apart from a few scheduled routes the only thing keeping us going is the school runs, and rail replacement, if the schools dont return we really aint needed!
I have got work to do, all be it my bosses private fleet! The MGA is a pretty looking car, not a Twin Cam, needs some major work really, one of thoses cars the look ok, till you really look!
Anyway i'l worry about that next week, my knee has got worse, no doubt as i can no longer go for walks, this has steadily got harder to do over the last 6 months, but as with most things could be worse!......................................
I did toy with having a run out, the roads were dry, but looked a tad salty, so gave that best and packed away all the Christmas Dec's ,
health problems not being attended to, as they should
It's amazing the knock on affect how when one business closes down has such a knock on effect for so many others.
Seems like some schools not going back will have some short term effect on private bus services like yourself and see Mercedeslimos
is in the same boat along with hundreds of others not to mention taxi services that do the same job.
Easy not to see this going on when not involved yourself.
Just need to encourage your boss to keep buying classics that need work and you will always have a job.
Your have lots of fun with that MGA , my first sports car at the age of 18, for the princely sum of £150 ,taxed and mot'd ,running well
but scared to tear it apart to what i might find if i do.
but what i should have done is got a mortgage on a DB5 for £ 1,500 and kept it .
but we all could say that about one thing or another.
Edited by rat rod on Saturday 2nd January 12:59
Matt Harper said:
newsatten said:
What a great picture , wicked looking car...........................................................................................
unlikely to bag a bargain but still exciting to discover these kind of cars.
Is it me or am i missing something i ask myself , Am i just an old fart who lives with his head buried in the past.
Just found a 68 Mustang fastback listed on "Car and Classic" R code manual GT, Had lots of Mustangs
but not a expert but would assume this to be a desirable spec. Has a 390 instead of the 428 Cobra Jet it should have,
To be fare it is offered with a mixture of engine parts that could be built into a 428, not sure if that's at extra cost to the asking price
or a choice of one or the other. either way you have to rebuild it and fit. yourself Photo's show no gearbox or interior ,Top loader box and seats are mentioned but not in car ,
After a lengthy restoration this will not be a matching 428 Cobra Jet that buyers of these high end Mustangs seem to demand.
Not talking first time yank buyer here.
At a shade under £50k as is plus the price of the restoration and parts , aggravation, time and motion i can't help asking myself
how much more you need to pay for one that's ready to go and possibly be matching numbers to boot,
Seems to be a number of mint Boss's around at the moment at anything from £57k to £70k so not sure how much more a 428 CJ is worth.
Newsatten i think this has doubled the value of your Challenger RT, Lets try a cheeky £70k like everyone else ,at least they can drive yours
away and you can get that T/A with change..
Just found a 68 Mustang fastback listed on "Car and Classic" R code manual GT, Had lots of Mustangs
but not a expert but would assume this to be a desirable spec. Has a 390 instead of the 428 Cobra Jet it should have,
To be fare it is offered with a mixture of engine parts that could be built into a 428, not sure if that's at extra cost to the asking price
or a choice of one or the other. either way you have to rebuild it and fit. yourself Photo's show no gearbox or interior ,Top loader box and seats are mentioned but not in car ,
After a lengthy restoration this will not be a matching 428 Cobra Jet that buyers of these high end Mustangs seem to demand.
Not talking first time yank buyer here.
At a shade under £50k as is plus the price of the restoration and parts , aggravation, time and motion i can't help asking myself
how much more you need to pay for one that's ready to go and possibly be matching numbers to boot,
Seems to be a number of mint Boss's around at the moment at anything from £57k to £70k so not sure how much more a 428 CJ is worth.
Newsatten i think this has doubled the value of your Challenger RT, Lets try a cheeky £70k like everyone else ,at least they can drive yours
away and you can get that T/A with change..
Edited by rat rod on Tuesday 5th January 17:41
Nice thought lol...........................................................................
needed cheering up! had a phone consultation this morning with my surgeon, im now waiting for my op, and quite high up the list, however as from today all non emergency procedures are cancelled till who knows when !
Typical , ball park he say's May/June Ces't la vie .......................Cant find the Muzzie in question ? but we are seeing more and more of this type of thing, the restoration costs will be horrendous, ok if one intends to do most of the work themselves, a body build, paint, engine , trans/axle , brakes, trim , 20k if kept very real, still 70k 2 years minimum work, really
Its just plain daft, and theres obviously far to many people with more money that sense
RR did you see the White C1 , looked very nice in the pics.................................... think its a 61" ??
Yeah found it! this was on Ebay a few weeks back, this guy does loads of Mustangs, been getting more of this sort of thing lately, i suppose cashing
in on the vibe, maybe? still make money but far less work involved ! which sounds very sensible !
And yes its a turd, and would be a massive job to do properly , 49500 with a moody motor, thats got to be 10k minimum to build, about the same for the second and third members, its getting serious now
i'l have to reassess my estimate a tad now ive seen it, 100k should get it done
Ive had a couple of 68' s both drove like pooh, looked like pooh, had a 70' Mach 1 , Cleveland, Manual, Shaker, rear louver , went really well, and drove ok, i chopped that car for a 71' 302 Mercury Comet GT, which was like new, low miles, and perfect, hugely better car than all the Mustangs !
Never seen another one
newsatten said:
Yeah found it! this was on Ebay a few weeks back, this guy does loads of Mustangs, been getting more of this sort of thing lately, i suppose cashing
in on the vibe, maybe? still make money but far less work involved ! which sounds very sensible !
And yes its a turd, and would be a massive job to do properly , 49500 with a moody motor, thats got to be 10k minimum to build, about the same for the second and third members, its getting serious now
i'l have to reassess my estimate a tad now ive seen it, 100k should get it done
Ive had a couple of 68' s both drove like pooh, looked like pooh, had a 70' Mach 1 , Cleveland, Manual, Shaker, rear louver , went really well, and drove ok, i chopped that car for a 71' 302 Mercury Comet GT, which was like new, low miles, and perfect, hugely better car than all the Mustangs !
Never seen another one
still doing well
, Maybe Trump will send them a loud going away present if he leaves . Me i hope he stays ,that will take the grin off theBiden crime family's face and that horrible Harris woman. Looking at Biden i don't think he will make the week let alone the 20th.
That will please that Harris, first woman president , not sure who would be worse her or crooked Hillary.
Comet Gt now that's a rare car, another one you should have kept , won't see another one not even at a show i would have thought,
That Mustang is being sold by American Pete, a bit of a enthusiast as well as a dealer. he's always on the Mustang forum.
Nice guy knows his Mustangs , Met him at Surrey Mustang's , we had identical Shelby clones being worked on by Trevor at the same time ,
He will talk a rich tweed into that car and it will end up somewhere like Roy Holmes "The Mustang Shop " for a £100k restoration just like you
said., but not to the likes of you or me and SRT Hellcat buy the sounds of it.
Yes did see that C1, a 58 with the lovely curved rear end, looks great in that period colour with the red interior,
They look so much better with the detachable hard top on rather than the hood up., dangerously close too.
This lock down will be the worst one yet being the third and being the middle of the winter, living in the sticks there's
nothing just up the road , that's the only thing i miss not living in the town anymore.
Still can get stuck into the Jag , done the auto choke so least it starts cold now and fitted new rad hoses,
All that spec must have cost the guy a fortune but not a drop of anti-freeze in that aluminium rad.
Think £70k might be a little ambitious for the RT so thought £69,999 o.v.n.o ,only needs one, Well got to think positive
Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 6th January 04:30
Prices of Mustangs really irritate me - in value for money terms they simply just don't 'make-it' - the only way anyone can justify restoration costs at the prices they are paying for the vehicles is
A. you're a 'professional body/resto shop and you can put you guys on it 'in-between' jobs at no effective labour costs -
B. You're a privateer and doing it at home in your spare time.
Are they really worth the money? When you can get a mid-years Vette for similar money - OK so a Vette is not everyones choice but in terms of 'holding' value etc presumably they still do well?
A. you're a 'professional body/resto shop and you can put you guys on it 'in-between' jobs at no effective labour costs -
B. You're a privateer and doing it at home in your spare time.
Are they really worth the money? When you can get a mid-years Vette for similar money - OK so a Vette is not everyones choice but in terms of 'holding' value etc presumably they still do well?
roscobbc said:
Prices of Mustangs really irritate me - in value for money terms they simply just don't 'make-it' - the only way anyone can justify restoration costs at the prices they are paying for the vehicles is
A. you're a 'professional body/resto shop and you can put you guys on it 'in-between' jobs at no effective labour costs -
B. You're a privateer and doing it at home in your spare time.
Are they really worth the money? When you can get a mid-years Vette for similar money - OK so a Vette is not everyones choice but in terms of 'holding' value etc presumably they still do well?
At this rate i can't see me owning a Mustang again with the current value's, They need to be heavily modified to get me excited. .A. you're a 'professional body/resto shop and you can put you guys on it 'in-between' jobs at no effective labour costs -
B. You're a privateer and doing it at home in your spare time.
Are they really worth the money? When you can get a mid-years Vette for similar money - OK so a Vette is not everyones choice but in terms of 'holding' value etc presumably they still do well?
eg brakes, steering, suspension and running gear which isn't a cheap process then add the cost of buying the car , sorry just think they are
overpriced and overrated for such a mass produced Ford and there's plenty for sale, I suppose same could be said for Escorts and
Cortina's so what do i know. The only Mustang i would buy is one that's all ready been modified or ex race car that someone has
already forked out for a huge bill and i would have a drivable car which would be a limited market.Found that out with my Falcon.
They are currently in fashion ,don't know whether it's a fad or will last i don't know.
When i drove into the pits at Goodwood in my Mustang some 15/20 years ago all i got was dirty looks and was completely
ignored by the E Type,Healey ,Aston brigade like i was something they would scrape of the bottom of their shoe now they
are in their Mustangs like they just discovered them.
Talking to Roy Holmes from the "The Mustang Shop" he says most of his high end Mustang customers are footballers, bankers and has a
Spanish Mustang collector who fly's him out to Spain to repair and service his cars, need i say more.
I think it may be you who said that Corvettes find a hard place to fit in the American car world, neither accepted by the muscle car guys or the
just general yank buyers, I think a E Type gets closer to a Vette than any of the yanks,
amongst my short list of a 101 cars right at the top is a C1,C2 or Z06 C6 all for different reasons ,
Still would love another E Type but the Vettes are better value and more individual ,
Might have a reshuffle if things get back to some normality this spring and see what comes.
Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 6th January 15:11
I'll never be in a position to afford a mid year's C2 - not too sure I would want one anyway. But what other car has slight differences in style every production year - just see a line up of individual years and compare.........there isn't a car with styling that compare except from European coach builders at many, many time the price. As for sourcing another worthwhile Yankie motor - you need to go off-piste - for example mid/late 60's big block Chevelles are way-up there in price terms - a similar and IMHO better looking Fairlane GT or GTA390 if you can find one is such a great well balanced car - far more so than the equivalent Mustang - and surprisingly a slightly lighter vehicle. Some of the late 60's fastback big block Torino/Fairlane/Comet, Galaxie/XL/Cyclone and Ford Mercury based coupes with 428's and 429's are difficult to find perhaps but a really different choice. As is a American Motors Javelin or event better its swb sister car the AMX - some good aftermarket tuning stuff is available now for all these cars.......
roscobbc said:
I'll never be in a position to afford a mid year's C2 - not too sure I would want one anyway. But what other car has slight differences in style every production year - just see a line up of individual years and compare.........there isn't a car with styling that compare except from European coach builders at many, many time the price. As for sourcing another worthwhile Yankie motor - you need to go off-piste - for example mid/late 60's big block Chevelles are way-up there in price terms - a similar and IMHO better looking Fairlane GT or GTA390 if you can find one is such a great well balanced car - far more so than the equivalent Mustang - and surprisingly a slightly lighter vehicle. Some of the late 60's fastback big block Torino/Fairlane/Comet, Galaxie/XL/Cyclone and Ford Mercury based coupes with 428's and 429's are difficult to find perhaps but a really different choice. As is a American Motors Javelin or event better its swb sister car the AMX - some good aftermarket tuning stuff is available now for all these cars.......
Off-piste, like that one, Ye that's where the undiscovered stuff are, Mention a Javelin, Cyclone to most Mustang owners and theywouldn't have a clue what your talking about ,Think your talking about the Olympics or a weather warning,I imagine people getting up in the
morning saying lets go and buy a Mustangs or maybe a Camaro after they've been watching a American
movie or two.
Trying to keep to compacts but wouldn't pass on another 63/64 Galaxie but with my eclectic taste i could end up with anything from a 2CV
to a 59 Caddy, Spur Classics have a matching numbers 64 427 Galaxie coupe in black at £26,500 , similar to Lord Marches car, Now that
seems like a bargain ,same price as a good standard notchback Mustang or Cortina GT.
, Had a few Mercury's and unless at a American car show people don't know what they are, never heard of them, when i told them
that it's a rebadged Ford they looked amazed. Think your wright that's where value for money comes back into play.
Said it before unless a Shelby, Boss ,428 CJ or race car the Mustang has become the American MG B.. No longer the bad
boys car, leave that to the Road Runner's, Charger's ,tricked up Camaro's , Sorry M.O.C,
Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 6th January 20:17
Be VERY careful about that Galaxie. Its been for sale for a long, long while. Initially with the 'wrong' 429 engine and laterly a '427' engine. My understanding of any performance 427 powered car, whether Ford, Mercury, Galaxie, Fairlane whatever is that options like power steering, brakes and A/C were not generally available when newly ordered. Oviously there a many 'clone' 427 cars our there and 'ordinary' cars with 427 badges stuck etc etc. The price looks keen if it is waht is should be - you'd need to run vin no. (if it has one) gassis ID etc through records to check it out..........do know what, if if even is a 'clone' and the engine is the proper thing its probably worth considering with 'cooking' 390 powered coupe's priced mid to high teens......
Out in the Vette again today shopping - 'er indoors at 4'10" really struggles getting in and out of the car and TBH it is hard work. Kids out on the street seem to appreciate seeming and hearing it........
Out in the Vette again today shopping - 'er indoors at 4'10" really struggles getting in and out of the car and TBH it is hard work. Kids out on the street seem to appreciate seeming and hearing it........
roscobbc said:
Be VERY careful about that Galaxie. Its been for sale for a long, long while. Initially with the 'wrong' 429 engine and laterly a '427' engine. My understanding of any performance 427 powered car, whether Ford, Mercury, Galaxie, Fairlane whatever is that options like power steering, brakes and A/C were not generally available when newly ordered. Oviously there a many 'clone' 427 cars our there and 'ordinary' cars with 427 badges stuck etc etc. The price looks keen if it is waht is should be - you'd need to run vin no. (if it has one) gassis ID etc through records to check it out..........do know what, if if even is a 'clone' and the engine is the proper thing its probably worth considering with 'cooking' 390 powered coupe's priced mid to high teens......
Out in the Vette again today shopping - 'er indoors at 4'10" really struggles getting in and out of the car and TBH it is hard work. Kids out on the street seem to appreciate seeming and hearing it........
Makes it all worth while when those around you have big grins on their faces and thumps up and waves, all positive attention,Out in the Vette again today shopping - 'er indoors at 4'10" really struggles getting in and out of the car and TBH it is hard work. Kids out on the street seem to appreciate seeming and hearing it........
Classic cars don't intimidate. people like some Super Cars do, they seem pleased to see them out and about.
It's strange what people do with the excitement of seeing a nice car, following a Golf in my Shelby clone, both turning left on a roundabout
i had to wait for traffic to clear he was now some way in front ,next minute he's stopped dead , leapt out the car with camera in hand
kneels in the middle of the road and takes photo's of me approaching and going buy, I did slow down for him but really had no choice
for fear of running him over. don't think he cared whether it was a clone ,the real thing or matching numbers.
What makes sane normal people driving every day cars suddenly have a overwhelming desire to toot their horn and
wave to a complete stranger , these old outrageous cars just seem to have that effect on people especially things like
50's/60's land yachts and muscle cars .
I liken these yanks like driving on a film set with lots or theatre and amazing soundtracks.
Trojan cars in Porsmouth had a black 63 Galaxie which had the wrong engine but also had the original that they were going to rebuild
and fit at a later date ,It was the real deal with a manual box ,they did have that for a long time but they were asking around £35k
which now doesn't seem to bad, this one Spur's got is a 64 auto and he's had that a while but like Trojon's their yanks are part
of their private collections and advertise them from time to time.
I sold Trojan's a 55 Olds Super 88 convertible and a 56 98 Dynamic convertible some 15 years ago and out of choice he's still got the 98 Dynamic, puts the odd ad in when he feels like it
You must have the freshest veg in London, My hat goes off to you using the beast for shopping especially in London.
Is there enough room for the pair of you and the shopping or do you make her walk home.
Edited by rat rod on Wednesday 6th January 20:08
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