Your thoughts on fake watches
Discussion
Harry Flashman said:
Countdown said:
But owners of genuine Rolexes keep saying the perceived prestige isn't the reason why they own it. It's the style/quality and various other things which (I assume) would be equally enjoyable if it didn't say "Rolex" on the dial.
If this were really true, they'd all be wearing Tudors!Lord Marylebone said:
joyless lobotomised parrot said:
Lord Marylebone said:
.........I cannot stand any Rolex watches (or other brands) that involve gold , diamonds, precious stones, numerous complications , or anything like that.
Seriously Lord M, you can't find even a tiny bit of love in your heart for this.......?http://www.ablogtowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/201...
I can appreciate the incredible quality and craftsmanship of it, but the style of it simply isn't for me.
As the poster above said, if it was silver in colour then that would help a little, but it's just not my thing.
Edited by joyless lobotomised parrot on Tuesday 1st May 14:42
Zoon said:
Countdown said:
would you still pay £10k for your watch if it was exactly the same but said "Casio" or "Timex" on the dial? ie the quality/feel/engineering is still the best but there is zero brand kudos.
The answer to that is no, even though most won't admit it.There's a lot of pigeon holing going on on this thread.
cbmotorsport said:
I've got a Grand Seiko which gets lots of wrist time. To the vast majority, it's just a Seiko, I don't wear it for any other reason than I love the styling,and appreciate the fantastic engineering, I'd really rather it didn't get noticed to be honest....and it doesn't.
There's a lot of pigeon holing going on on this thread.
I was just going to mention GS. There's a lot of pigeon holing going on on this thread.
To me a GS illustrates someone that appreciates watches and fine engineering.
The pigeon holing on this thread was not about GS though.
ZesPak said:
cbmotorsport said:
I've got a Grand Seiko which gets lots of wrist time. To the vast majority, it's just a Seiko, I don't wear it for any other reason than I love the styling,and appreciate the fantastic engineering, I'd really rather it didn't get noticed to be honest....and it doesn't.
There's a lot of pigeon holing going on on this thread.
I was just going to mention GS. There's a lot of pigeon holing going on on this thread.
To me a GS illustrates someone that appreciates watches and fine engineering.
The pigeon holing on this thread was not about GS though.
Grand Seiko is relatively unknown to anyone who isn't a watch enthusiast, it does not suggest wealth and status to the masses, yet it's still bought.
cbmotorsport said:
No, but it was asked that if a watch did not have a well known and aspirational brand name on it, would people pay £x,000 for it.
Grand Seiko is relatively unknown to anyone who isn't a watch enthusiast, it does not suggest wealth and status to the masses, yet it's still bought.
That's a good point and highlights that people are willing to spend large sums of money on items that on the surface, don't appear to be worth it (to some) But they are worth it to them. A 5 grand tv versus a 500 quid t.v., a 5 grand watch, a 5 grand painting, A 5 grand piece of jewelry, the list is long.Grand Seiko is relatively unknown to anyone who isn't a watch enthusiast, it does not suggest wealth and status to the masses, yet it's still bought.
I can't see me ever spending 5 grand on a watch but I can see why people do. It's a special feeling of quality that makes them happy when they use it. Absurd to some people but we've all got our own absurdities in some shape or form.
soupdragon1 said:
That's a good point and highlights that people are willing to spend large sums of money on items that on the surface, don't appear to be worth it (to some) But they are worth it to them. A 5 grand tv versus a 500 quid t.v., a 5 grand watch, a 5 grand painting, A 5 grand piece of jewelry, the list is long.
I can't see me ever spending 5 grand on a watch but I can see why people do. It's a special feeling of quality that makes them happy when they use it. Absurd to some people but we've all got our own absurdities in some shape or form.
We do indeed. I think the question that is most interesting id about the nearly perfect copies as in the video earlier. I can't see me ever spending 5 grand on a watch but I can see why people do. It's a special feeling of quality that makes them happy when they use it. Absurd to some people but we've all got our own absurdities in some shape or form.
I do own a couple of fairly good watches that are real, Not in the least offended if someone has a perfect copy to the eye. I know I have a real watch, did not buy it to impress anyone else, and if another person has a good copy why not?...not hurting me, and not really hurting the manufacturer typically.
it seems like a bit of snobbery,
RDMcG said:
We do indeed. I think the question that is most interesting id about the nearly perfect copies as in the video earlier.
I do own a couple of fairly good watches that are real, Not in the least offended if someone has a perfect copy to the eye. I know I have a real watch, did not buy it to impress anyone else, and if another person has a good copy why not?...not hurting me, and not really hurting the manufacturer typically.
it seems like a bit of snobbery,
But the snobbery really goes both ways... And the constance insistence by the OP that anyone paying for the real deal as apposed to a £500 copy which is "nearly as good" is the bit which is absurd.I do own a couple of fairly good watches that are real, Not in the least offended if someone has a perfect copy to the eye. I know I have a real watch, did not buy it to impress anyone else, and if another person has a good copy why not?...not hurting me, and not really hurting the manufacturer typically.
it seems like a bit of snobbery,
What is it they say about Patek again? "You never own a Patek, you just look after it for the next generation"... The same really can't be said about a parnis/homage or a fake can it?
Jayho said:
But the snobbery really goes both ways... And the constance insistence by the OP that anyone paying for the real deal as apposed to a £500 copy which is "nearly as good" is the bit which is absurd.
What is it they say about Patek again? "You never own a Patek, you just look after it for the next generation"... The same really can't be said about a parnis/homage or a fake can it?
Of course not - you buy the product based on your own motivation. What is it they say about Patek again? "You never own a Patek, you just look after it for the next generation"... The same really can't be said about a parnis/homage or a fake can it?
Of course there are those who enjoy the genuine article for itself. ( I do ) but on the other hand there are many who want the prestige value, including people who buy the genuine article.
Thus the conflict seems to me to be between those who who enjoy the prestige of the real thing and their distaste for pretenders who get equal status wearing a fake. I have no problem with fakes and if someone gets some sort of status. ( quite a silly reason to get it) by wearing an apparently expensive watch, good luck to them.
A number of mine have had mixed responses on here, to say the least.
Several had retail prices above 20k but no brand recognition unless you have an encyclopaedic memory of some of ablogtowatch’s more arcane posts.
What anyone else thinks of them is utterly irrelevant to me - the reasons they have been slated are also the reasons I can buy something with a finish and level of detail way beyond the price paid.
I would put money on no-one ever recognising them, and to date it hasn’t happened. Tbh, if someone did I’d probably run away because that person would be as sad and weird as me..
Several had retail prices above 20k but no brand recognition unless you have an encyclopaedic memory of some of ablogtowatch’s more arcane posts.
What anyone else thinks of them is utterly irrelevant to me - the reasons they have been slated are also the reasons I can buy something with a finish and level of detail way beyond the price paid.
I would put money on no-one ever recognising them, and to date it hasn’t happened. Tbh, if someone did I’d probably run away because that person would be as sad and weird as me..
Justayellowbadge said:
A number of mine have had mixed responses on here, to say the least.
Several had retail prices above 20k but no brand recognition unless you have an encyclopaedic memory of some of ablogtowatch’s more arcane posts.
What anyone else thinks of them is utterly irrelevant to me - the reasons they have been slated are also the reasons I can buy something with a finish and level of detail way beyond the price paid.
I would put money on no-one ever recognising them, and to date it hasn’t happened. Tbh, if someone did I’d probably run away because that person would be as sad and weird as me..
I believe you have the decimal point in the wrong location, ........Several had retail prices above 20k but no brand recognition unless you have an encyclopaedic memory of some of ablogtowatch’s more arcane posts.
What anyone else thinks of them is utterly irrelevant to me - the reasons they have been slated are also the reasons I can buy something with a finish and level of detail way beyond the price paid.
I would put money on no-one ever recognising them, and to date it hasn’t happened. Tbh, if someone did I’d probably run away because that person would be as sad and weird as me..
In honesty you can rest assured that some of the stunners you have posted on these forums will be genuine .... I mean no-one would bother tooling up to
I do think the arguments with fake watches really comes from the intersection of two different models of appreciation. Just as some buy a car to enjoy driving it and others to be seen driving it, so some can find joy in a beaten up manky dialed vintage piece because it has a particular movement of great quality, where some will find joy in an expensively marketed fashion watch which is really a terrible object by any empirical metric.
Both however can find joy in a genuine Rolex/AP/Lange, but having a forgery would only ever appeal to one.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that it's similar to how musical enthusiasts feel when one of their favourite musicians produces a mainstream album which is then adopted by people who don't seem to share any of their values.
Both however can find joy in a genuine Rolex/AP/Lange, but having a forgery would only ever appeal to one.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that it's similar to how musical enthusiasts feel when one of their favourite musicians produces a mainstream album which is then adopted by people who don't seem to share any of their values.
There have been 300 + replies to this post and I can’t be arsed to read them all so my post may have been covered but here goes.
I have a very nice Genuine Rolex but recently bought a Submariner Kermit when I was in China .A brilliant copy and would fool most .I would much sooner be out on the streets with a £50 watch on my wrist than risk been kidnapped with £10 k of ransom
I have a very nice Genuine Rolex but recently bought a Submariner Kermit when I was in China .A brilliant copy and would fool most .I would much sooner be out on the streets with a £50 watch on my wrist than risk been kidnapped with £10 k of ransom
bazjude2998 said:
There have been 300 + replies to this post and I can’t be arsed to read them all so my post may have been covered but here goes.
I have a very nice Genuine Rolex but recently bought a Submariner Kermit when I was in China .A brilliant copy and would fool most .I would much sooner be out on the streets with a £50 watch on my wrist than risk been kidnapped with £10 k of ransom
Would be pretty terrible when the kidnappers find out the watch is worthless.I have a very nice Genuine Rolex but recently bought a Submariner Kermit when I was in China .A brilliant copy and would fool most .I would much sooner be out on the streets with a £50 watch on my wrist than risk been kidnapped with £10 k of ransom
Imagine what they will make you do to make up for their 10k deficit.
Could get painful.
desolate said:
bazjude2998 said:
There have been 300 + replies to this post and I can’t be arsed to read them all so my post may have been covered but here goes.
I have a very nice Genuine Rolex but recently bought a Submariner Kermit when I was in China .A brilliant copy and would fool most .I would much sooner be out on the streets with a £50 watch on my wrist than risk been kidnapped with £10 k of ransom
Would be pretty terrible when the kidnappers find out the watch is worthless.I have a very nice Genuine Rolex but recently bought a Submariner Kermit when I was in China .A brilliant copy and would fool most .I would much sooner be out on the streets with a £50 watch on my wrist than risk been kidnapped with £10 k of ransom
Imagine what they will make you do to make up for their 10k deficit.
Could get painful.
desolate said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Somehow I don't think muggers would come back to you and ask for their money back
In his post he was at risk of kidnap, not mugging.If the fake is so good how does it reduce the risk of either?
Wearing a 'good' fake watch doesn't reduce the risk of mugging, but if you were mugged for your watch, you would simply hand it over and try to continue on with your week without too much worry, safe in the knowledge that you've only lost a couple of hundred quid and it's not the end of the world.
If you were mugged for your real Rolex/Panerai etc then you would probably be pretty upset, and then have to spend a day waiting in a police station to describe the robbery and get a crime reference, then spend days worried as to wether your insurance actually covers your watch, then making an insurance claim for your watch, then hoping the payout is sufficient... it would endless and miserable.
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