Boeing are FINALLY about to deliver a 787!

[thatone1967]

Apparently...

more below:

http://www.boeing.com/newairplane//787/firstDelive...

[Aizle]

Checks the date........isn't April 1st.

Wow, better late than never, eh?!

[Sifly]

Check out the interior shots...............

A window in the Bog, whatever next?!!

Most people p155 all over the floor as it is, and thats without the added distraction of a window to stare out of!!?

[Turbodiesel1690]

Sifly said:

Check out the interior shots...............

A window in the Bog, whatever next?!!

Most people p155 all over the floor as it is, and thats without the added distraction of a window to stare out of!!?

BA 747s have a window in the first class lav, and sensor activated taps

[Smiler.]

Yeah, but how much is an M6 washer?

[louiebaby]

The Business Class section doesn't look like a very efficient use of space. Two seats with small shelves, and one with tow massive shelves...?

Doubt I'll need to worry about it though.

[shirt]

Turbodiesel1690 said:

Sifly said:

Check out the interior shots...............

A window in the Bog, whatever next?!!

Most people p155 all over the floor as it is, and thats without the added distraction of a window to stare out of!!?

BA 747s have a window in the first class lav, and sensor activated taps

don't airbus have toilet windows? pretty sure it was an airbus [not a380] i was on t'other week and that had them in economy.

[russ_a]

When ever I see a 787 take off I always expect the wings to snap!

[toppstuff]

russ_a said:

When ever I see a 787 take off I always expect the wings to snap!

I sometimes worry if, lets say in about 10 years time when the first 787's are being run by outfits such as Tunisian Airways or Air Burkina Faso, we might find out what happens when they do...?

[coanda]

I do wonder if the authorities will become very strict about retiring aircraft.

I have the 'pleasure' of having read/modified/corrected calculation files for aircraft spanning 35 years from one major manufacturer. As time has moved on, there has been a drive to move weight out of aircraft designs via optimisation and understanding of methodologies. We are pushing analysis to hit adventurous weight targets, and this means that there will be less room for life extensions and so-on in 20 years time.

The differences in approach between the 787 and the 350 interest me. Boeing plumped for a very flexible wing. Looks like NASA's X-29 research wasn't in vain!

[Number31]

russ_a said:

When ever I see a 787 take off I always expect the wings to snap!

If you want to see it break follow the links on this page, it also shows the A380 and B777!

787 Cert Blog


Number31

[Number31]

coanda said:

I do wonder if the authorities will become very strict about retiring aircraft.

I have the 'pleasure' of having read/modified/corrected calculation files for aircraft spanning 35 years from one major manufacturer. As time has moved on, there has been a drive to move weight out of aircraft designs via optimisation and understanding of methodologies. We are pushing analysis to hit adventurous weight targets, and this means that there will be less room for life extensions and so-on in 20 years time.

The differences in approach between the 787 and the 350 interest me. Boeing plumped for a very flexible wing. Looks like NASA's X-29 research wasn't in vain!

I wouldn't worry about lifing issues, fuel burn and engine shop visit cost will drive obsolescence and drive aircraft retirals for these types.

Number31.

[DJRC]

Had my engine on aswell

[eccles]

Smiler. said:

Yeah, but how much is an M6 washer?

M6 on an American aircraft!...... They're still all imperial, so that'll be a 1/4 washer please!

[coanda]

eccles said:

M6 on an American aircraft!...... They're still all imperial, so that'll be a 1/4 washer please!

I thought it was US Customary Units? Slugs....euch.

[russ_a]

I guess Boeing don't want the aircraft to last more than 20 years, bad for sales!

Though as mentioned fuel economy will drive replacements, well that and environmental tax on older aircraft.

[hyperblue]

Ooh, economy class seats that recline in their own space. Excellent, I always seem to sit behind the guy who slams it back after take off, and only returns it when landing

The business class section isn't very easy on the eye though, very angular and contrasting colours.

[coanda]

I tend to think that extensions will be given wherever possible. I should think that a re-engine campaign will occur at least once during the life of these airframes. I'm interested to see if geared fan technology can be scaled up from single-aisle sized applications to ETOPS aircraft.

I think that there will be some very interesting through-life debates/issues with these aircraft concerning in-service damage and repairs, proof of efficiency, environmental concerns (in the sad event of a fire) and end of life concerns - it occurs to me that recycling a mainly-metallic aircraft is allot easier than recycling a mainly carbon airframe.

[russ_a]

I thought it was more plastic that carbon

[AlexS]

coanda said:

I tend to think that extensions will be given wherever possible. I should think that a re-engine campaign will occur at least once during the life of these airframes. I'm interested to see if geared fan technology can be scaled up from single-aisle sized applications to ETOPS aircraft.

The question is, whether there is any need. The GE engine on the 320-Neo is just as efficient as the P&W GTF and doesn't need to use any unusual technologies.