FlyDubai 737-800 down in Russia
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Reports that a FlyDubai 737-800 has crashed in Rostov-On-don in Russia killing (all?) 55 on board. Sounds like he may have had difficulties landing in bad weather
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35850167
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35850167
Edited by Trevatanus on Saturday 19th March 04:21
http://avherald.com/h?article=495997e2&opt=0
A Flydubai Boeing 737-800, registration A6-FDN performing flight FZ-981 from Dubai (United Arab Emirates) to Rostov on Don (Russia) with 55 passengers and 7 crew, had aborted the approach to Rostov's runway 22 at 01:41L (22:41Z) due to weather and entered a hold initially at 8000 feet, after 30 minutes at 8000 feet the aircraft climbed to FL150. After about 2 hours of holding the aircraft commenced another approach to Rostov's runway 22, winds from 240 degrees at 27 knots (14 m/s) gusting 42 knots (22 m/s), but struck a wing onto the runway at about 3:43 (00:43Z), broke up, came to a rest near the end and to the right of the runway and burst into flames. There are no survivors.
The aircraft carried fuel for trip, contingency, alternate, final fuel reserve (30 minutes) and additional holding for about 2:30 hours, total fuel for an endurance of about 8.5 hours. The aircraft had been airborne until time of impact for 06:02 hours.
Russia's Ministry of Emergencies reported that more than 700 people and more than 100 vehicles have been deployed to the crash scene for search and recovery operations following the aircraft crash. The aircraft struck a wing onto the runway on touch down and broke up.
Russia's MAK (Interstate Aviation Committee, Accident Investigation Board) reported the aircraft broke up and burst into flames upon touching ground, debris is spread over a large area.
The airline confirmed the aircraft crashed on landing in Rostov, there were fatalities.
Radar data suggest the aircraft on final approach was to the left of the localizer and just to the left of the left runway edge and corrected to the right while over the runway bringing the aircraft just within the runway edges during the flare.
A Flydubai Boeing 737-800, registration A6-FDN performing flight FZ-981 from Dubai (United Arab Emirates) to Rostov on Don (Russia) with 55 passengers and 7 crew, had aborted the approach to Rostov's runway 22 at 01:41L (22:41Z) due to weather and entered a hold initially at 8000 feet, after 30 minutes at 8000 feet the aircraft climbed to FL150. After about 2 hours of holding the aircraft commenced another approach to Rostov's runway 22, winds from 240 degrees at 27 knots (14 m/s) gusting 42 knots (22 m/s), but struck a wing onto the runway at about 3:43 (00:43Z), broke up, came to a rest near the end and to the right of the runway and burst into flames. There are no survivors.
The aircraft carried fuel for trip, contingency, alternate, final fuel reserve (30 minutes) and additional holding for about 2:30 hours, total fuel for an endurance of about 8.5 hours. The aircraft had been airborne until time of impact for 06:02 hours.
Russia's Ministry of Emergencies reported that more than 700 people and more than 100 vehicles have been deployed to the crash scene for search and recovery operations following the aircraft crash. The aircraft struck a wing onto the runway on touch down and broke up.
Russia's MAK (Interstate Aviation Committee, Accident Investigation Board) reported the aircraft broke up and burst into flames upon touching ground, debris is spread over a large area.
The airline confirmed the aircraft crashed on landing in Rostov, there were fatalities.
Radar data suggest the aircraft on final approach was to the left of the localizer and just to the left of the left runway edge and corrected to the right while over the runway bringing the aircraft just within the runway edges during the flare.
Looks to come down quite fast at pretty much a 45 degree angle!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cJvtFO_-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cJvtFO_-Y
bobbo89 said:
Looks to come down quite fast at pretty much a 45 degree angle!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cJvtFO_-Y
That's horrific https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cJvtFO_-Y
Doesn't seem like a simple 'went round and missed the runway'.
bobbo89 said:
Looks to come down quite fast at pretty much a 45 degree angle!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cJvtFO_-Y
It does look a pretty severe attempt at 'landing' from the CCTV footage, I hadn't seen that until you'd posted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cJvtFO_-Y
Is it worth say the 'T' word, yet...?
Surely in an emergency landing onto a flat surface at around 90/100 MPH at least a small percentage of passengers would stand some chance of survival?
TheLordJohn said:
It does look a pretty severe attempt at 'landing' from the CCTV footage, I hadn't seen that until you'd posted.
Is it worth say the 'T' word, yet...?
Surely in an emergency landing onto a flat surface at around 90/100 MPH at least a small percentage of passengers would stand some chance of survival?
I had read that the weather was bad which had caused a few flights to divert and that this flight had circled for two hours.Is it worth say the 'T' word, yet...?
Surely in an emergency landing onto a flat surface at around 90/100 MPH at least a small percentage of passengers would stand some chance of survival?
Another link here
https://www.rt.com/news/336185-boeing-crash-dubai-...
"Flight FZ981 from Dubai arrived in Rostov-on-Don at about 1:30am, but due to harsh weather conditions, strong side winds gusting at 25-30 meters per second, it spent the next two hours in the air, picking its moment to land."
Very sad
bobbo89 said:
Looks to come down quite fast at pretty much a 45 degree angle!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cJvtFO_-Y
It's the camera angle - it's heading away from the camerahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cJvtFO_-Y
What happened to the idea of hovering airports so that planes didnt need to come down to ground
hornetrider said:
bobbo89 said:
Looks to come down quite fast at pretty much a 45 degree angle!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cJvtFO_-Y
That's horrific https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-cJvtFO_-Y
Doesn't seem like a simple 'went round and missed the runway'.
From the distance of the camera to the runway, the plane's speed looks to be well in excess of what you'd ever be able to land at. That combined with the angle etc of descent. What could possibly have gone wrong that the pilot(s) intentionally tried to execute a touch-down like that?
Not that I mean to don the tinfoil hat, but if that footage is genuine, then something just doesn't add up with the news reports. Not even close.
Surely it would be cheaper to just land elsewhere and charter a coach to get the passengers back to where it should have landed?
How much fuel would it use circling for 2 hours? Is that standard, to just circle for hours until you think it might be safe to land? Sounds incredibly stupid.
Really tragic, because it seems it could have so easily been avoided.
How much fuel would it use circling for 2 hours? Is that standard, to just circle for hours until you think it might be safe to land? Sounds incredibly stupid.
Really tragic, because it seems it could have so easily been avoided.
Slagathore said:
Surely it would be cheaper to just land elsewhere and charter a coach to get the passengers back to where it should have landed?
How much fuel would it use circling for 2 hours? Is that standard, to just circle for hours until you think it might be safe to land? Sounds incredibly stupid.
Really tragic, because it seems it could have so easily been avoided.
The tragic thing is that some other aircraft had diverted to an airport only twenty minutes away How much fuel would it use circling for 2 hours? Is that standard, to just circle for hours until you think it might be safe to land? Sounds incredibly stupid.
Really tragic, because it seems it could have so easily been avoided.
This is interesting ...
https://aviation-safety.net/photos/displayphoto.ph...
Retracted flaps and/or slats instead of landing gear during a second go-around maybe?
https://aviation-safety.net/photos/displayphoto.ph...
Retracted flaps and/or slats instead of landing gear during a second go-around maybe?
Crush said:
The tragic thing is that some other aircraft had diverted to an airport only twenty minutes away
I had thought maybe it was such a remote location that they thought it was worth spending 2 hours circling, but if it's only 20 minutes away, then there's some serious explaining to do!!MitchT said:
This is interesting ...
https://aviation-safety.net/photos/displayphoto.ph...
Retracted flaps and/or slats instead of landing gear during a second go-around maybe?
And just LOOK at that approach angle!! What. The. Actual. fk?!https://aviation-safety.net/photos/displayphoto.ph...
Retracted flaps and/or slats instead of landing gear during a second go-around maybe?
Pennyroyal Tea said:
MitchT said:
This is interesting ...
https://aviation-safety.net/photos/displayphoto.ph...
Retracted flaps and/or slats instead of landing gear during a second go-around maybe?
And just LOOK at that approach angle!! What. The. Actual. fk?!https://aviation-safety.net/photos/displayphoto.ph...
Retracted flaps and/or slats instead of landing gear during a second go-around maybe?
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