Ark Royal Scrapped

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dr_gn

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186 months

Monday 18th October 2010
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What it says (apart from the spelling mistake!) :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11570593

Edited by dr_gn on Monday 18th October 22:32

Simpo Two

85,883 posts

267 months

Monday 18th October 2010
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All ships get scrapped eventually (if not sunk first). But wouldn't we get more money from selling it to a friendly country?

The RN might be advised to name one of the new carriers 'Ark Royal' so there's no loss of continuity.




Mind you what it will actually carry is another matter.

Eric Mc

122,345 posts

267 months

Monday 18th October 2010
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The two new carriers have already been named - HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales.

It'll be sad to see the Ark go - although I was sadder when the previous Ark went.

hidetheelephants

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195 months

Monday 18th October 2010
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Simpo Two said:
Mind you what it will actually carry is another matter.
Reading that article the implication is that the F35B is dead in the water; if one of the flattops is getting catapults and arrester gear there doesn't seem any point in not doing the same for the other as well. Perhaps CMD has been given advance warning that the F35B is getting cancelled.

Chrisgr31

13,545 posts

257 months

Monday 18th October 2010
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I'd guess scrapped means decommissioned out of the UK fleet. She'll almost cetainly be sold to another Navy I'd assume

aeropilot

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229 months

Monday 18th October 2010
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hidetheelephants said:
Perhaps CMD has been given advance warning that the F35B is getting cancelled.
Nope, just finally someone has had a sense of reality and realised that Dave-B is a waste of money.

There was talk of RN getting Super Bugs, but it would seem now that it will be a small order of Dave-C's instead for just the one carrier..... now whether that means that the RAF will get Dave-A's to replace the Tonka fleet by the mid 2020's or just more carrier spec Dave-C's for fleet commonality, much like the F-4 order back in the 1960's is anyone's guess.

Dunk76

4,350 posts

216 months

Monday 18th October 2010
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Chrisgr31 said:
I'd guess scrapped means decommissioned out of the UK fleet. She'll almost cetainly be sold to another Navy I'd assume
Has it got much life left in it though?

In any event, haven't we thrown away all her matching Sea Harriers that completes the set?

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

257 months

Monday 18th October 2010
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Bloody hell...

What happens if Ireland invades...?

This really cocks up my plans to invade France when I take over...

Arse, and double arse....

Corsair7

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249 months

Monday 18th October 2010
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hidetheelephants said:
Simpo Two said:
Mind you what it will actually carry is another matter.
Reading that article the implication is that the F35B is dead in the water; if one of the flattops is getting catapults and arrester gear there doesn't seem any point in not doing the same for the other as well. Perhaps CMD has been given advance warning that the F35B is getting cancelled.
um, dont carriers that have arrestor gear need to be substantially different in design, so that any landing aircraft that misses the gear has the capability to either take off again safly or ditch into the sea off to the side, where the pilot stands a chance of rescue rather than being mowed down by the ship? These ships wont be long enough to enable an aircraft to take off again or have a design allowing 'safe' ditching, will they?.

aeropilot

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229 months

Monday 18th October 2010
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Corsair7 said:
These ships wont be long enough to enable an aircraft to take off again or have a design allowing 'safe' ditching, will they?.
They are. The design has always allowed for possible cat n trap fittment.

Dunk76

4,350 posts

216 months

Monday 18th October 2010
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aeropilot said:
Corsair7 said:
These ships wont be long enough to enable an aircraft to take off again or have a design allowing 'safe' ditching, will they?.
They are. The design has always allowed for possible cat n trap fittment.
So, if the F35B is dead, what are the main contenders to crash into the things?

Navalised Typhoons?

eharding

13,829 posts

286 months

Monday 18th October 2010
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mybrainhurts said:
Bloody hell...

What happens if Ireland invades...?
By the time they've worked out that Eyjafjallajökull isn't Welsh, that Snowdon isn't on fire, that they've porked-up the navigation and invaded Iceland (again)...you'll be done and dusted with operation MyBrainHurtsFrance.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

257 months

Tuesday 19th October 2010
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eharding said:
mybrainhurts said:
Bloody hell...

What happens if Ireland invades...?
By the time they've worked out that Eyjafjallajökull isn't Welsh, that Snowdon isn't on fire, that they've porked-up the navigation and invaded Iceland (again)...you'll be done and dusted with operation MyBrainHurtsFrance.
Great news, thanks...do you want a job? hehe

aeropilot

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229 months

Tuesday 19th October 2010
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Dunk76 said:
aeropilot said:
Corsair7 said:
These ships wont be long enough to enable an aircraft to take off again or have a design allowing 'safe' ditching, will they?.
They are. The design has always allowed for possible cat n trap fittment.
So, if the F35B is dead, what are the main contenders to crash into the things?

Navalised Typhoons?
Not feasable.

Look at my post a few before. Most likely F-35C now that they are going to build the first carrier as a helo only one and cat n trap the 2nd one and then either mothball or sell the first one once the 2nd one enters service.

ATG

20,803 posts

274 months

Tuesday 19th October 2010
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mybrainhurts said:
eharding said:
mybrainhurts said:
Bloody hell...

What happens if Ireland invades...?
By the time they've worked out that Eyjafjallajökull isn't Welsh, that Snowdon isn't on fire, that they've porked-up the navigation and invaded Iceland (again)...you'll be done and dusted with operation MyBrainHurtsFrance.
Great news, thanks...do you want a job? hehe
Only if it comes with a big hat and a good title

Dunk76

4,350 posts

216 months

Tuesday 19th October 2010
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aeropilot said:
Dunk76 said:
aeropilot said:
Corsair7 said:
These ships wont be long enough to enable an aircraft to take off again or have a design allowing 'safe' ditching, will they?.
They are. The design has always allowed for possible cat n trap fittment.
So, if the F35B is dead, what are the main contenders to crash into the things?

Navalised Typhoons?
Not feasable.

Look at my post a few before. Most likely F-35C now that they are going to build the first carrier as a helo only one and cat n trap the 2nd one and then either mothball or sell the first one once the 2nd one enters service.
We're going to scrap the Ark Royal, go down to 25 Frigates, and build two of those bloody great things, just fly helicopters off one of them?

I give up.




eharding

13,829 posts

286 months

Tuesday 19th October 2010
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ATG said:
mybrainhurts said:
eharding said:
mybrainhurts said:
Bloody hell...

What happens if Ireland invades...?
By the time they've worked out that Eyjafjallajökull isn't Welsh, that Snowdon isn't on fire, that they've porked-up the navigation and invaded Iceland (again)...you'll be done and dusted with operation MyBrainHurtsFrance.
Great news, thanks...do you want a job? hehe
Only if it comes with a big hat and a good title
Tsssk - amateur. A good hat, and a big title....as a minimum....

aeropilot

35,057 posts

229 months

Tuesday 19th October 2010
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Dunk76 said:
go down to 25 Frigates,
I think the RN would love to have 25 Frigates.... but it's been many a year since they've had that many.

The RN is actually now going to reduce from 24 to just 19 warships of all types, not just Frigates.
So, essentially, the 6 x Type 45 Destroyers already ordered (HMS Daring already in service with 5 more to come) plus the existing 13 x Type 23 Frigates......?


hidetheelephants

25,519 posts

195 months

Tuesday 19th October 2010
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aeropilot said:
hidetheelephants said:
Perhaps CMD has been given advance warning that the F35B is getting cancelled.
Nope, just finally someone has had a sense of reality and realised that Dave-B is a waste of money.

There was talk of RN getting Super Bugs, but it would seem now that it will be a small order of Dave-C's instead for just the one carrier..... now whether that means that the RAF will get Dave-A's to replace the Tonka fleet by the mid 2020's or just more carrier spec Dave-C's for fleet commonality, much like the F-4 order back in the 1960's is anyone's guess.
It was always going to be just a single 'mini-wing' for the FAA(2 proper squadrons or 3 pretendy FAA ones); the plan has only ever been for there to be one carrier in service at once. Common sense says the RAF get whatever the FAA get to reduce spares and training costs, but the commonality between the A and C models is fairly high so who knows.

thatone1967

4,193 posts

193 months

Tuesday 19th October 2010
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Surely this begs the question of "retaking" the Falklands should the need arise.
I realise the Islands are much better defended now, but would be able to retake it should be we loose it with out a seabourne airforce?