Sailing Terminology - why on earth is it so silly?!
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pikey said:
RobM77 said:
I'm actually about to learn to sail in an 18 foot Hobie in a few weeks time. Now, sailing originally appealled to me over my usual sport of motor racing (Caterhams) due to the fact it was safer. Is pitch poling / cartwheeling common and does it cause many injuries? It might be a valid reason to move into mono hulls for my next course - I like to have fun but injuring myself doesn't really appeal!
Hobies are huuuuge fun to play with. I've found they pitchpole only if you're having too much fun and not paying attention! Most of the likelyhood of damage is to the boat rather than you, although you could be unlucky and land in the wrong place!You'll love it - the floating version of a Caterham!!
Schmalex said:
pikey said:
RobM77 said:
I'm actually about to learn to sail in an 18 foot Hobie in a few weeks time. Now, sailing originally appealled to me over my usual sport of motor racing (Caterhams) due to the fact it was safer. Is pitch poling / cartwheeling common and does it cause many injuries? It might be a valid reason to move into mono hulls for my next course - I like to have fun but injuring myself doesn't really appeal!
Hobies are huuuuge fun to play with. I've found they pitchpole only if you're having too much fun and not paying attention! Most of the likelyhood of damage is to the boat rather than you, although you could be unlucky and land in the wrong place!You'll love it - the floating version of a Caterham!!
... you do actually have to be putting your mind to the task to flip it forward ... And generally the best advice if you do manage to do that .... Let go of everything .... and make sure that it does not come back to you
ALawson said:
Rob where you learning to sail one?
I always find its alot more fun in the sun!
Sadly too many holidays this year have used up leave and funds to go abroad, so we're learning here: http://www.hobiecatcentre.co.ukI always find its alot more fun in the sun!
The location is linked in with the choice of boat actually. My girlfriend and I looked all over the place for dinghy sailing courses, and just found loads of places that boldly advertised that they didn't teach anyone who wasn't in their club, and were generally quite snooty about the whole thing. We also got put off by places telling us to bring two or three changes of old clothing (jeans, t-shirt etc) cause we'll get very wet, which sounded jolly unpleasant and very cold. We didn't fancy repeatedly falling in the sea in September/October in jeans and a t-shirt and then sailing in wet clothes until the next break (getting that cold actually sounds quite dangerous to be honest). We ended up at the Hobie Cat centre in Poole because they openly offered a taster session for £35 to members of the public with no commitment to join a club and proper clothing, equipment etc. They also have an instructor on each boat, as apposed to a guy in a rib shouting at you from a distance. Following that taster session, we've booked a level one beginner's course.
Maybe this thread should be moved to the 'Boats' section of the forum?
RobM77 said:
Maybe this thread should be moved to the 'Boats' section of the forum?
Maybe, until then we continue!I would recommend, cash and holiday time allowing, Sunsail in Antigua. The kit is in reasonable condition, the weather is normally great and if you go either in May or Novemeber its about £550 for the week half board!
Enjoy poole, you going to wear a wetsuit 3/4 length if the weathers bad?
ALawson said:
RobM77 said:
Maybe this thread should be moved to the 'Boats' section of the forum?
Maybe, until then we continue!I would recommend, cash and holiday time allowing, Sunsail in Antigua. The kit is in reasonable condition, the weather is normally great and if you go either in May or Novemeber its about £550 for the week half board!
Enjoy poole, you going to wear a wetsuit 3/4 length if the weathers bad?
RobM77 said:
I'm actually about to learn to sail in an 18 foot Hobie in a few weeks time. Now, sailing originally appealled to me over my usual sport of motor racing (Caterhams) due to the fact it was safer. Is pitch poling / cartwheeling common and does it cause many injuries? It might be a valid reason to move into mono hulls for my next course - I like to have fun but injuring myself doesn't really appeal!
Bah, cats are too easy to pitchpole, my current list of boats i've thrown 'down the mine' (copyright Ozzies 2007) is as follows:-Mirror - Snapped the boom and centreboard that day
RS200 - Smashed the swivel jammer with my knee, smashed my knee with the swivel jammer
Was worth it to see the look on the Wayfarer helms face though... 
Dart 18 - Boy did I fly!
Laser - Big waves and little hulls don't mix!
Learnt to sit a bit further back now though, hasn't happened for a while!
Nic Jones said:
RS200 - Smashed the swivel jammer with my knee, smashed my knee with the swivel jammer Was worth it to see the look on the Wayfarer helms face though...
Wayfarers.. 'round my way they're called waybarges. I once had the privilege of being taken out in one in a blow and had the helm telling me how fast we were going (about 8 or so knots). After several boring tacks / gybes I suggested that if he likes speed he might like to have a go in my I14. Little did he know what he was letting himself in for. Just getting the main up and feeling the boat thrashing around like a wild beast before the boom was put on the gooseneck instilled a sense of foreboding and fear in his eyes. I didn't convert him to the dark side but I sure as hell scared the shit out of him. Was worth it to see the look on the Wayfarer helms face though... Snoggledog said:
Nic Jones said:
RS200 - Smashed the swivel jammer with my knee, smashed my knee with the swivel jammer Was worth it to see the look on the Wayfarer helms face though...
Wayfarers.. 'round my way they're called waybarges. I once had the privilege of being taken out in one in a blow and had the helm telling me how fast we were going (about 8 or so knots). After several boring tacks / gybes I suggested that if he likes speed he might like to have a go in my I14. Little did he know what he was letting himself in for. Just getting the main up and feeling the boat thrashing around like a wild beast before the boom was put on the gooseneck instilled a sense of foreboding and fear in his eyes. I didn't convert him to the dark side but I sure as hell scared the shit out of him. Was worth it to see the look on the Wayfarer helms face though... just bought myself a Laser this week to keep me amused until the new rig is built for the big boat... can't wait to go out and play!
Mahatma Bag said:
There is a bit of line with a shackle on our boat called the 'fukulater'. Other people call the same bit of line the 'flopper-stopper'. Any guesses what it is for?
Hint: It is located close to the 'dog's bollox' on the tuff-luff.
That'll be the pre-feeder for getting the bolt rope of the headsail into the TuffLuff...Hint: It is located close to the 'dog's bollox' on the tuff-luff.
sadly, that took about 6 seconds for me to work out!!
Mahatma Bag said:
Yep, the dog's bollox is the pre-feeder.
The fukulater is the bit of line you attach the the head of a lowered foresail so that the halyard can be pulled tight without the sail being hoisted.
I've never used a fukulator round the cans. Pretty sure we used to use one offshore (although it is many a year since I got cold & wet bouncing between EC1, EC2 & EC3....!)The fukulater is the bit of line you attach the the head of a lowered foresail so that the halyard can be pulled tight without the sail being hoisted.
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