Plane Landed short at Heathrow
Discussion
dealmaker said:
So let's say you were on the plane and got of safely - the furore dies down and you get back into normal life.......what do British Airaws do to compensate you for not completing your journey in it's entirety and for the distress etc?? Do you think they will give you another free return trip...or "in flight duty free vouchers" or something?
Just wondering if there are 300 passengers right now on the blower to ambulancechasersareus.com "been in an accident?...Not your fault?...then call us....."
Depends how much of a tJust wondering if there are 300 passengers right now on the blower to ambulancechasersareus.com "been in an accident?...Not your fault?...then call us....."
t each passenger is.dealmaker said:
So let's say you were on the plane and got off safely - the furore dies down and you get back into normal life.......what do British Airaws do to compensate you for not completing your journey in it's entirety and for the distress etc?? Do you think they will give you another free return trip...or "in flight duty free vouchers" or something?
Just wondering if there are 300 passengers right now on the blower to ambulancechasersareus.com "been in an accident?...Not your fault?...then call us....."
I'm sure BA managed to get them to the terminal building - although the luggage might be somewhat delayed Just wondering if there are 300 passengers right now on the blower to ambulancechasersareus.com "been in an accident?...Not your fault?...then call us....."
Edited by dealmaker on Thursday 17th January 14:14
If it was banking hard on the approach, it could be that the crew were just trying a very tight approach. The pattern of grooves in the grass shows that the undercarriage was extended when it hit - plus the fact that at least one undertcariage leg has been pushed right up through the wing. It reminds me very much of the Buffallo crash at Farnborough in 1984. Too tight a turn followed by too high a rate of descent resulting in landing hard and short.
Strikes me as a total, total balls up as either instrument trouble or beacon confusion as mitigating factors.
It's a clear day round Heathrow today, it's gusty but not that bad.
If this 777 was making a southern perimeter approach, that's an overflight from the Hounslow direction, countless offices, hotels, etc are all very close to that approach.
Doesn't bear thinking about.
It's a clear day round Heathrow today, it's gusty but not that bad.
If this 777 was making a southern perimeter approach, that's an overflight from the Hounslow direction, countless offices, hotels, etc are all very close to that approach.
Doesn't bear thinking about.
speedchick said:
Listening to the witness on the M4 (?) that BBC were interviewing... he heard it crash, heard the pilot switch off the thrust reversers and then it turned 90 degrees.
WTF??? you don't engage reverse thrust until your a$$ is ont he ground, and I am pretty sure that TRs would have been the last thing that the pilot was worried about when his engines are buried in the grass!
I'd love to know how he heard the thrust reversers. They are just flaps and vents deployed to reverse the thrust and as such are pretty much silent. It was obviously the engines he could hear, but I'm unsure as to how he could be aware the reversers had been deployed?WTF??? you don't engage reverse thrust until your a$$ is ont he ground, and I am pretty sure that TRs would have been the last thing that the pilot was worried about when his engines are buried in the grass!
Andy Zarse said:
I'd love to know how he heard the thrust reversers. They are just flaps and vents deployed to reverse the thrust and as such are pretty much silent. It was obviously the engines he could hear, but I'm unsure as to how he could be aware the reversers had been deployed?
Perhaps he heard the engines throttle up for an attempt at a go-around?Edited for quoting things gone wrong
Edited by moosepig on Thursday 17th January 14:20
Eric Mc said:
If it was banking hard on the approach, it could be that the crew were just trying a very tight approach. The pattern of grooves in the grass shows that the undercarriage was extended when it hit - plus the fact that at least one undertcariage leg has been pushed right up through the wing. It reminds me very much of the Buffallo crash at Farnborough in 1984. Too tight a turn followed by too high a rate of descent resulting in landing hard and short.
That's the thing though. For Heathrow, they normally start their approach almost over central London. To appear to be joining the approach so close to the field just seems like a go round to me.Perhaps he'd been on hold for too long?
Andy Zarse said:
speedchick said:
Listening to the witness on the M4 (?) that BBC were interviewing... he heard it crash, heard the pilot switch off the thrust reversers and then it turned 90 degrees.
WTF??? you don't engage reverse thrust until your a$$ is ont he ground, and I am pretty sure that TRs would have been the last thing that the pilot was worried about when his engines are buried in the grass!
I'd love to know how he heard the thrust reversers. They are just flaps and vents deployed to reverse the thrust and as such are pretty much silent. It was obviously the engines he could hear, but I'm unsure as to how he could be aware the reversers had been deployed?WTF??? you don't engage reverse thrust until your a$$ is ont he ground, and I am pretty sure that TRs would have been the last thing that the pilot was worried about when his engines are buried in the grass!
dealmaker said:
So let's say you were on the plane and got off safely - the furore dies down and you get back into normal life.......what do British Airaws do to compensate you for not completing your journey in it's entirety and for the distress etc?? Do you think they will give you another free return trip...or "in flight duty free vouchers" or something?
They arrived on time, whats the problem? 
He probably didnt, with the fire risk- but I'd love it if the captain continued his "Welcome to LHR, ladies & gentlemen, the temperature outside is 12 degrees, with just a little rain. Thank you for flying with British Airways, we wish you a pleasant afternoon" speel. Andy Zarse said:
Do we know if it was one of the early batch of BA 777s with the GE engines or is it a later model with the Rolls Royce Trent engines?
I am GOOD! Aircraft Census Database said:
Boeing 777-236(ER) Original model: 777-236ER
G-YMMM
CN/MSN: 30314
Line No.: 342
Current Registration: G-YMMM
Operator (Owner): British Airways
Delivery Date: 2001-05-31
Engine Model: TRENT895-17
F/N:
SELCAL: DH-JL
R:
Status: Act
G-YMMM
CN/MSN: 30314
Line No.: 342
Current Registration: G-YMMM
Operator (Owner): British Airways
Delivery Date: 2001-05-31
Engine Model: TRENT895-17
F/N:
SELCAL: DH-JL
R:
Status: Act
Tonto said:
Symbolica said:
Oakey said:
Big Rod said:
I reckon it's run out of fuel.
The pilot's either done really well to get it so close to the mark if those were the circumstances or he's been a pillock and not put enough kerosene in the thing.
Do pilots fill these things up themselves then?The pilot's either done really well to get it so close to the mark if those were the circumstances or he's been a pillock and not put enough kerosene in the thing.
It's a pain in the arse really, the wings get in the way so you have to reverse it up to the pump
hornetrider said:
Andy Zarse said:
Do we know if it was one of the early batch of BA 777s with the GE engines or is it a later model with the Rolls Royce Trent engines?
I am GOOD! Aircraft Census Database said:
Boeing 777-236(ER) Original model: 777-236ER
G-YMMM
CN/MSN: 30314
Line No.: 342
Current Registration: G-YMMM
Operator (Owner): British Airways
Delivery Date: 2001-05-31
Engine Model: TRENT895-17
F/N:
SELCAL: DH-JL
R:
Status: Act
G-YMMM
CN/MSN: 30314
Line No.: 342
Current Registration: G-YMMM
Operator (Owner): British Airways
Delivery Date: 2001-05-31
Engine Model: TRENT895-17
F/N:
SELCAL: DH-JL
R:
Status: Act
_Batty_ said:
ewenm said:
Depends how much of a tt each passenger is.
people moan, and are greedy. t each passenger is.some people just choose to get on with it.
but when an agency offers you £2k for 'back pain' could you turn it down?
depends on how much you need the money really...
He got a load of air miles and a letter of apology!
You can imagine what the letter I would have written might have started...
When it comes to life/death/emergency there's no hierarchy in situations like this. Can you imagine the people in first class on the titanic writing to complain that they didn't get first choice of lifeboat?
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