AREA 51

[Eric Mc]

Hale-Bopp?

[dr_gn]

Eric Mc said:

Hale-Bopp?

yup.

[Eric Mc]

It was spectacular, wasn't it.

[pushthebutton]

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/

Seconded for this one. There are some great stories, pics and speculative articles in the links on the right hand side of the home page. They don't get too caught up in the extra terrestrial side of things and instead concentrate on the flight testing side of the base.

I've lost many hours reading the trip reports etc.

[dr_gn]

Eric Mc said:

It was spectacular, wasn't it.

It was. I remember when I first saw it, couldn't believe it (appropriately enough for this thread!)

I went out into the sticks to get a darker sky for some pictures.

[mattviatura]

Great picture of the comet, I remember going up there to see it at the time but not on the night concerned.

I suspect it probably was military aircraft movements but why there, so close to Manchester Airport?

Thanks for the link by the way, I'm supposed to be working!

Incidentally I've just remembered, apparently there were weirdos pretending to be Men in Black interviewing locals at the time, it takes all sorts I guess.

Have to say though I hope I never see a B29 flying low and quietly over the reservoir in the darkness....

Edited by mattviatura on Tuesday 15th February 16:59

[Ian Lancs]

dvs_dave said:

Ian Lancs said:

Or it was something much less sinister, and related to a certain conflict at the time.... Now did I sign the OSA....

So if not a Black Project, an American fighter sized aircraft used in the Bosnia conflict in '94 so was likely one of the following:
F15
F16
F18
A-10
F117
Predator UAV
Some other UAV
Any other obvious I've missed?

Do you actually know or are you just playing pretend?


Do you actually know or are you just pretending?

The ref to OSA was meant to be sarcastic. As to do I know anything, I'd ask why you've gone for US equipment? Just because of some civi US aircraft sightings in the area over the next few days as told in the various google links on the subject?

[dr_gn]

mattviatura said:

Great picture of the comet, I remember going up there to see it at the time but not on the night concerned.

I suspect it probably was military aircraft movements but why there, so close to Manchester Airport?

Thanks for the link by the way, I'm supposed to be working!

No idea, but there is quite a bit of military flying in the Peaks.

If you're interested in that incident...don't start reading the link if you're at work - you'll have to read all of it!

[dr_gn]

mattviatura said:

Incidentally I've just remembered, apparently there were weirdos pretending to be Men in Black interviewing locals at the time, it takes all sorts I guess.

Edited by mattviatura on Tuesday 15th February 16:59

One of the strangest stories I heard of the early hours of the following morning was of a bedraggled man picked up by a passing car on the A-57 who was described as 'shaken and stinking of fuel'. Turned out it was a man who had dowsed himself in petrol and was going to set fire to himself, but changed his mind. Initial reports were that he was a military pilot who's plane had crashed!

The only other strange thing I've seen out there at night (again while biking near Mam Tor) was a spectacular fireball. I knew what it was and reported it to wherever you were supposed to report them to at the time, and they confirmed that dozens of other people had seen it across the country along a straight trajectory, and that it was an object probably the size of a football burning up in upper atmosphere, the remains of which ended up in the North Sea.

[GG89]

This is a very interesting subject, you only have to look at what was being designed in the 50s, 60s, 70s to think what is going on there now is somewhat mind blowing. There is a brand new documentary on the way to Nat Geo that has the first ever footage of inside area 51 and first ever interview with employees of Area 51 aswell as other revelations.

It was also mentioned that some of the employees are getting very old and on their way to the graves and that's partly why the decision has been made to allow filming and interviews to let out their stories from the Nevada test facility.

Edited by GG89 on Tuesday 15th February 17:28

[mattviatura]

dr_gn said:

One of the strangest stories I heard of the early hours of the following morning was of a bedraggled man picked up by a passing car on the A-57 who was described as 'shaken and stinking of fuel'. Turned out it was a man who had dowsed himself in petrol and was going to set fire to himself, but changed his mind. Initial reports were that he was a military pilot who's plane had crashed!

I've read that myself, it just adds to the mystery. I guess it was just one of those nights where numerous strange events coincided and led to the creation of a myth. If I remember rightly The X-Files was pretty big at the time too.

[GG89]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CYLyvc0CnI&fea...

One of the better documentaries focusing less on the UFO/ET side of things.

[dvs_dave]

Ian Lancs said:

The ref to OSA was meant to be sarcastic. As to do I know anything, I'd ask why you've gone for US equipment? Just because of some civi US aircraft sightings in the area over the next few days as told in the various google links on the subject?

Fair enough. Only based on what I've read. But a USAF C-5 Galaxy bound for Germany suddenly diverting there when Boscombe isn't an emergency military divert airfield (proper military airfields including Fairford very close by), and the wreckage apparantly being seen getting loaded into it, for it then to head straight back to the US gives a strong indication that it was a US aircraft. Next thing is apparantly the aircraft in question was seen to have twin canted inward vertical stabilisers. Which aircraft this side of the SR-71 has such a distinctive feature???

[Halb]

rhinochopig said:

It's harder than you think and doesn't take much to befuddle someone - even supposedly expert witnesses. Part of my job it to work out why people interpret and respond to stuff in odd ways - there's some fascinating research going on into it.

I posted a link to it in the Ghost thread a while back, but you should google Pareidolia. It explains EVP, the face on Mars, subliminal messaging on records played backwards, a lot of Ghost activities, and the cries for help (in my last post) etc. very eloquently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
It's surprising (and somewhat disappointing) just how pre-programmed we are

It explains possible reasons.
I don't see it as pre-programming, I just see it as us being lonely

[BigS]

rhinochopig said:

Let your son have a play on google maps. Hi-res sat photo on google maps

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&a...

And off to the south west lies the nuclear test site (or should that be nukelar being American? )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_National_Secur...

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&a...

[cazzer]

Eric Mc said:

Hale-Bopp?

Hale Bopp, bopp bopp, hale bopp, do do da da, hale bopp bop ba haaaale.

I useful contribution to the thread I thought

[pushthebutton]

dvs_dave said:

Fair enough. Only based on what I've read. But a USAF C-5 Galaxy bound for Germany suddenly diverting there when Boscombe isn't an emergency military divert airfield (proper military airfields including Fairford very close by), and the wreckage apparantly being seen getting loaded into it, for it then to head straight back to the US gives a strong indication that it was a US aircraft. Next thing is apparantly the aircraft in question was seen to have twin canted inward vertical stabilisers. Which aircraft this side of the SR-71 has such a distinctive feature???

I can't remember exactly where I read it (pprune I think), but there are a couple of seemingly plausible accounts from people who imply that they were there at the time.

Unfortunately, they do a pretty good job of discrediting the rumours surrounding this incident. I seem to remember that it was in a post about the possible existence of Aurora.

[dr_gn]

pushthebutton said:

I can't remember exactly where I read it (pprune I think), but there are a couple of seemingly plausible accounts from people who imply that they were there at the time.

Unfortunately, they do a pretty good job of discrediting the rumours surrounding this incident. I seem to remember that it was in a post about the possible existence of Aurora.

OK, OK this isn't the image I was looking for - obviously it's a fake, but IIRC a former Royal Observer Corps member sketched what he identified as two F-111's formating with a KC-135 together with an unidentified triangular shape, somewhere over the North Sea. This is often cited as being a sighting of 'Aurora'.

Then again it could be bks.

[pushthebutton]

This is the post from Pprune:

Like all conspiracy theoreis, what starts as one simple incident, gets snowballed out of all proportion due to soemone (generally who desperatly wants to belive something in the first place) adds 2 and 2 togther, and makes a huge number. For what it is worth, and people who believe the conspiracy theory will not believe me, I worked at Boscombe at that time and can perhaps shed sone light on some of the bits of the equation:

1. There was an incident on a Tornado which was doing trials with a towed decoy, which failed to retract, hence the shutting of the main road outside the base.
2. There are generally American exchange pilots at Boscombe (at the time, it was Rick Husband I think, the shuttle commander during the Colombia accident).
3. A C5 was at Boscombe to take (or bring back) a helicopter from AUTEC.
4. The unmarked Boeing 707 was an Italian Air Force tanker at Boscombe for AAR trials.
5. The Agusta 109 was at Boscombe for trials.
6. The Gulfstream was a VIP aircraft. (Interesting aside. It was Tom Cruise visting Nicole Kidman who was in the local area making a film. Heale House- Portrait of a Lady).
7. The rolling deck was just being delivered from Bedford. Covered in tarpaulin.

All of these things happened in the space of a few days. As I said 2+2 is a huge number

PS - The North Sea sighting seems to be a fairly irrefutable piece of evidence. It's a shame he didn't get a photo.

[dr_gn]

pushthebutton said:

PS - I'm pretty sure that photo you've just posted was a photoshop to demonstrate what the Royal Observer Corps guy (Chris...?) spotted from a North Sea oil rig.

Chris Gibson...according to "Aurora" by Bill Sweetman.

ETA, observation made from the Oil Platform "Galveston Key", August 1989.

http://disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/57694/1989_Nor...

Edited by dr_gn on Tuesday 15th February 20:45