Farnborough Air Show 2016

[Civpilot]

There is a set number of times the pilots need to have performed the displays prior to attending (including x amount of times in the last 8 days) but this does not in anyway take away the need to practice at whatever new venue they are displaying at. Different ground points of interest and visual clues where ever they go. This 'display experience' rule is clearly stated in this years flight display procedure document (can't remember which page number exactly). It's also a standard requirement on all displays as far as I am aware.

All I can say is that if the number of times the planes go up is related to the 'commitee' not being happy and wanting to see it again as you claim then these pilots this year and last (and the year before etc)... Really crap at their jobs obviously

How many shows you have attended has little bearing on things really, times move on and the routines and procedures centred around validation and practice do too. However, last year the Tyhoon and F-18 were both up a minimum of twice a day for the entire validation/practice week.

Ps. Even the Red Arrows 'validated' over a number of days last year. Now either they are st too, or, and just throwing this out there, the 'commitee' allow the pilots lots of practice flights? I know which is more likely.

[Vixpy1]

Much more rules about what the pilots can do and where this year

[Eric Mc]

Civpilot said:

There is a set number of times the pilots need to have performed the displays prior to attending (including x amount of times in the last 8 days) but this does not in anyway take away the need to practice at whatever new venue they are displaying at. Different ground points of interest and visual clues where ever they go. This 'display experience' rule is clearly stated in this years flight display procedure document (can't remember which page number exactly). It's also a standard requirement on all displays as far as I am aware.

All I can say is that if the number of times the planes go up is related to the 'commitee' not being happy and wanting to see it again as you claim then these pilots this year and last (and the year before etc)... Really crap at their jobs obviously

How many shows you have attended has little bearing on things really, times move on and the routines and procedures centred around validation and practice do too. However, last year the Tyhoon and F-18 were both up a minimum of twice a day for the entire validation/practice week.

Ps. Even the Red Arrows 'validated' over a number of days last year. Now either they are st too, or, and just throwing this out there, the 'commitee' allow the pilots lots of practice flights? I know which is more likely.

What the committee deems as correct and proper varies over time. Look at a Farnborough display from the 1950s and compare it to a more recent one just to see how things change. This year especially I am pretty sure they will be watching very carefully.

I've even heard over the ATC pilots being told to report to the committee immediately after landing. I wonder what that was about.

Maybe pilots think they are little gods on occasions - but they are, in reality, just people like the rest of us - and they do need reigning in and chastising and checking every now and then.

[Trevatanus]

Anything for Wednesday?

[All that jazz]

737-8 MAX N8704Q is currently flying across from Seattle via Gander. All Nippon's 787-9 JA880A (N1015B) is also enroute for a flying display and Qatar's 787-8 A7-BDD is supposedly to be calling in on delivery to Doha next Wed.

Edited by All that jazz on Wednesday 6th July 01:19

[couzens]

Trevatanus said:

Anything for Wednesday?

Arriving
787 - 07.50
A380 - 09.40
A350 - 10.10
Yak - 10.25
Another 787 - 10.55
Catalina - 11.55
Spitfire - 12.25
Blackhawk - 15.40

Validating
F18 - 14.00, 14.40, 16.10
P8 - 11.00, 16.00
A350 - 11.30
A380 - 11.45
Catalina - 14.15
Typhoon - 15.00
Yak - 15.30
Spitfire - 15.45
F35 - 16.20
D328 - 17.15

Edited by couzens on Wednesday 6th July 09:36

[All that jazz]

couzens said:

Arriving
787 - 07.50
A380 - 09.40
A350 - 10.10
Yak - 10.25
Another 787 - 10.55
Catalina - 11.55
Spitfire - 12.25
Blackhawk - 15.40

Validating
F18 - 14.00, 14.40, 16.10
P8 - 11.00, 16.00
Catalina - 14.15
Typhoon - 15.00
Yak - 15.30
Spitfire - 15.45
F35 - 16.20
D328 - 17.15

Add 737 Max arriving 11am local.

[RizzoTheRat]

Damnit, it miss working at Pyestock when we used to pile out in the carpark to watch the interesting stuff in practice week from right under the flight line



Re multiple validations, presumably they all have multiple routines depending on the cloudbase so need to validate them all.

[Eric Mc]

Twister aerobatic team on its way in.

[Trevatanus]

couzens said:

Trevatanus said:

Anything for Wednesday?

Arriving
787 - 07.50
A380 - 09.40
A350 - 10.10
Yak - 10.25
Another 787 - 10.55
Catalina - 11.55
Spitfire - 12.25
Blackhawk - 15.40

Validating
F18 - 14.00, 14.40, 16.10
P8 - 11.00, 16.00
Catalina - 14.15
Typhoon - 15.00
Yak - 15.30
Spitfire - 15.45
F35 - 16.20
D328 - 17.15

Cheers buddy, a virtual pint on the way over!

[Eric Mc]

Airbus A380 just arrived and A350 circling over Guildford direction.

[Eric Mc]

A350 now on the ground.

[Civpilot]

The A380 was over 20mins early compared to his planned arrival as he landed around 9.20am. He obviously got some favourable wind on route.

Lovely thing to fly past your window and touch down when your sitting at your best (supposed to be) working

[Eric Mc]

Despite their sizes, I managed not to see either the A380 or A350.

I might go for a cycle this evening to have a look-see.

[Eric Mc]

Boeing P-8 Poseidon doing its thing now.

[yellowjack]

RizzoTheRat said:

Re multiple validations, presumably they all have multiple routines depending on the cloudbase so need to validate them all.

Bear in mind that a good number of those aeroplanes have multiple crews. Even if a pilot is deployed only as a reserve display pilot, I assume he/she will have to validate the display for his/her aeroplane just the same as the main display pilot will? Then they'll have to practice the display through the week too. Wouldn't do to have, for instance, the F-18 pilot go u/s with food poisoning or some such, then leave the 'plane on the ground for the remainder of the show simply for want of an alternative pilot.

[Vixpy1]

yellowjack said:

RizzoTheRat said:

Re multiple validations, presumably they all have multiple routines depending on the cloudbase so need to validate them all.

Bear in mind that a good number of those aeroplanes have multiple crews. Even if a pilot is deployed only as a reserve display pilot, I assume he/she will have to validate the display for his/her aeroplane just the same as the main display pilot will? Then they'll have to practice the display through the week too. Wouldn't do to have, for instance, the F-18 pilot go u/s with food poisoning or some such, then leave the 'plane on the ground for the remainder of the show simply for want of an alternative pilot.

It says in the rules.. If the Pilot did not validate then they will not be allowed to display

[yellowjack]

A380 up now!

Just looked right "down the barrel" at it while it headed straight for my house before it rolled out to starboard.

Isn't it great. I can't nip along to the canal side path to watch in relative safety, but 'they' can point the damned thing at houses (and schools too - "Won't Someone Think Of The Children"!!!). But maybe this is a moan for that other thread...

[Eric Mc]

The A380 is heading straight back to Tolouse.

[Civpilot]

Vixpy1 said:

yellowjack said:

RizzoTheRat said:

Re multiple validations, presumably they all have multiple routines depending on the cloudbase so need to validate them all.

Bear in mind that a good number of those aeroplanes have multiple crews. Even if a pilot is deployed only as a reserve display pilot, I assume he/she will have to validate the display for his/her aeroplane just the same as the main display pilot will? Then they'll have to practice the display through the week too. Wouldn't do to have, for instance, the F-18 pilot go u/s with food poisoning or some such, then leave the 'plane on the ground for the remainder of the show simply for want of an alternative pilot.

It says in the rules.. If the Pilot did not validate then they will not be allowed to display

The Regulations document does detail this fully. Each pilot displaying is required to have performed the FIA display pattern at least 4 times in the last 30 days, with minimum one display in the last 8 days.

The same regs also specifically refer to this weeks flights as "Familiarisation, Practice & Validation flights" and the pilots can request flight slots from the AOC for any point during this week. So if a pilot wants to fly three times a day to 'practice' he can formally request those slots and if available will get them. His first one or two flights of the week will be formal 'validation', the rest whilst obviously watched closely, are classed as "Familiarisation & Practice" rather than formal Validation.

Case in point... F-18 has flown at least twice a day so far and is so far allocated another 3 slots today.