RAF & Navy hardware looking quite modern nowadays
Discussion
Rogue86 said:
For all the small-arms chat, SF tend to use the C7, not M16...
IanH755 said:
why do our most qualified serving soldiers, the SF, use the Canadian M4 variant the C8, rather than L85
Although TBF the image is of an M16 (an older A1) which was the preferred SF IW until the late 90's when the C7/C8/L119A1 started to take over.
The Commons Defence Committee has now got its begging bowl out and makes the following recommendations according to BBC News website:
"The committee warned of "serious deficiencies in the quantities of armour, armoured vehicles and artillery available to the British Army".
The lack of vehicle-mounted anti-tank weapons and self-propelled artillery and the need for modernisation of rocket artillery left the Army "at serious risk of being outgunned by its Russian counterpart", it said.
Other defence needs identified included:
Greater anti-submarine warfare capacity
The maintenance of the Army at a minimum of 82,000 personnel
A layered air defence system
A Royal Navy carrier group capable of protecting the new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers"
So as stated in my original post, it's officially the army that's been getting the short straw these past few years when it comes to Defence spending.
"The committee warned of "serious deficiencies in the quantities of armour, armoured vehicles and artillery available to the British Army".
The lack of vehicle-mounted anti-tank weapons and self-propelled artillery and the need for modernisation of rocket artillery left the Army "at serious risk of being outgunned by its Russian counterpart", it said.
Other defence needs identified included:
Greater anti-submarine warfare capacity
The maintenance of the Army at a minimum of 82,000 personnel
A layered air defence system
A Royal Navy carrier group capable of protecting the new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers"
So as stated in my original post, it's officially the army that's been getting the short straw these past few years when it comes to Defence spending.
LotusOmega375D said:
So as stated in my original post, it's officially the army that's been getting the short straw these past few years when it comes to Defence spending.
Not really. It spent Billions on UOR equipment paid for by the treasury.It has some capability gaps, but largely due to short-sighted planning.
shouldbworking said:
Evanivitch said:
Not really. It spent Billions on UOR equipment paid for by the treasury.
It has some capability gaps, but largely due to short-sighted planning.
UORs which plugged capability gaps which were left to reopen - no money to bring them into the core capability.It has some capability gaps, but largely due to short-sighted planning.
http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.com/2013/0...
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cms...
58.With the Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers shortly coming into service, generation of a carrier group will become a priority task for the Royal Navy. In 2017 the Public Accounts Committee was told that a sovereign carrier group at the ‘maximum level’ of deployment would require two air defence destroyers and two ASW frigates, along with an attack submarine and attached support shipping.115 Generating such a force for any length of time is likely to put considerable strain on the Royal Navy, given the current size of the Fleet.116 The carriers are likely to be operating within larger allied groups in the future, but we disagree with the National Security Adviser that we should proceed on the basis this is inevitable.117 Operating aircraft carriers without the sovereign ability to protect them is complacent at best and potentially dangerous at worst. The UK should be able to sustain this capacity without recourse to other states.
Chickens coming home to roost.
58.With the Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers shortly coming into service, generation of a carrier group will become a priority task for the Royal Navy. In 2017 the Public Accounts Committee was told that a sovereign carrier group at the ‘maximum level’ of deployment would require two air defence destroyers and two ASW frigates, along with an attack submarine and attached support shipping.115 Generating such a force for any length of time is likely to put considerable strain on the Royal Navy, given the current size of the Fleet.116 The carriers are likely to be operating within larger allied groups in the future, but we disagree with the National Security Adviser that we should proceed on the basis this is inevitable.117 Operating aircraft carriers without the sovereign ability to protect them is complacent at best and potentially dangerous at worst. The UK should be able to sustain this capacity without recourse to other states.
Chickens coming home to roost.
LotusOmega375D said:
The Commons Defence Committee has now got its begging bowl out and makes the following recommendations according to BBC News website:
"The committee warned of "serious deficiencies in the quantities of armour, armoured vehicles and artillery available to the British Army".
The lack of vehicle-mounted anti-tank weapons and self-propelled artillery and the need for modernisation of rocket artillery left the Army "at serious risk of being outgunned by its Russian counterpart", it said.
Thread revival."The committee warned of "serious deficiencies in the quantities of armour, armoured vehicles and artillery available to the British Army".
The lack of vehicle-mounted anti-tank weapons and self-propelled artillery and the need for modernisation of rocket artillery left the Army "at serious risk of being outgunned by its Russian counterpart", it said.
The above quote is nearly 3 years old. Yet here we are with same old same old. Still plenty of MPs sitting around in meetings and complaining, but very little action...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2021/03/...
LotusOmega375D said:
Thread revival.
The above quote is nearly 3 years old. Yet here we are with same old same old. Still plenty of MPs sitting around in meetings and complaining, but very little action...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2021/03/...
And yet reports are WCSP getting binned, AS90 getting gapped and no major project to add ATGM to AFV vehicles. The above quote is nearly 3 years old. Yet here we are with same old same old. Still plenty of MPs sitting around in meetings and complaining, but very little action...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2021/03/...
RizzoTheRat said:
Replaced by more AJAX or just less stuff in total? I hadn't realised the Challenger 2 Life Extension Programme still hadn't happened, that's been about to happen for decades!
Unsure. There is no AJAX IFV, so potentially move to Boxer but still leaves 245 CT40 cannons spare and no Boxer turret variant. eccles said:
The Army has new Apaches coming in the next few years.
The first two E models arrived late last year. They’re down at Middle Wallop for training. There should be two arriving every couple of months or so. They’re not proper new build aircraft, as they’re using some parts from D models. They’re described as remanufactured. In some areas the E is a downgrade from the D.
citizensm1th said:
williamp said:
Army have a new rifle too
More of an upgrade than newhttps://www.army.mod.uk/news-and-events/news/2018/...
IMO should have just paid for a licensing agreement and made M4's
I always thought they missed a trick being RH fire only, especially FIBUA.
Evanivitch said:
Castrol for a knave said:
Still no left handed version. That new cocking handle will make a right mess of your chin if you try.
I always thought they missed a trick being RH fire only, especially FIBUA.
You can fire it left hand, especially in FIBUA where scope is irrelevant. I always thought they missed a trick being RH fire only, especially FIBUA.
Castrol for a knave said:
citizensm1th said:
williamp said:
Army have a new rifle too
More of an upgrade than newhttps://www.army.mod.uk/news-and-events/news/2018/...
IMO should have just paid for a licensing agreement and made M4's
I always thought they missed a trick being RH fire only, especially FIBUA.
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