HMS Queen Elizabeth

[tuffer]

gary58 said:

When she and her sister ship prince of wales are in service and a fully loaded with the latest raptor there won't be any money left in the kitty

And only one will be in service at any time.

[Trevatanus]

Sylvaforever said:

There's something deeply WRONG when despite all the attention laid upon the carriers the fact that they cannot sail with the full complement of national support resources both on and below surface and that the airwing is to be US Marine Corps until 2025 shows just how much of a disaster to actual national defence this entire BAE shooting match has been.

Punctuation !!!
I went blue reading that!

[Evanivitch]

Ayahuasca said:

Will the new frigates enter service in time to support the Liz?

I am guessing not.

In which case what will protect her?

If existing ships, who will do the job that the existing ships are currently doing?

Existing Frigates will support QE. Their current roles will be back filled by OPV. It's all very obvious...

[loose cannon]

Tbh having spoke to several navy people, if there was ever a proper war most ships would last about 7 Minutes including the us fleet
Modern weapons render ships completely useless in a full on war, they are there for show and to bully small nations

[TTmonkey]

Trevatanus said:

Sylvaforever said:

There's something deeply WRONG when despite all the attention laid upon the carriers the fact that they cannot sail with the full complement of national support resources both on and below surface and that the airwing is to be US Marine Corps until 2025 shows just how much of a disaster to actual national defence this entire BAE shooting match has been.

Punctuation !!!
I went blue reading that!

You do t have to hold your breath whilst reading to yourself, funnily enough. You can continue breathing normally.

[Ayahuasca]

Evanivitch said:

Ayahuasca said:

Will the new frigates enter service in time to support the Liz?

I am guessing not.

In which case what will protect her?

If existing ships, who will do the job that the existing ships are currently doing?

Existing Frigates will support QE. Their current roles will be back filled by OPV. It's all very obvious...

What does back filled by OPV mean?

[SystemParanoia]

Ayahuasca said:

Evanivitch said:

Ayahuasca said:

Will the new frigates enter service in time to support the Liz?

I am guessing not.

In which case what will protect her?

If existing ships, who will do the job that the existing ships are currently doing?

Existing Frigates will support QE. Their current roles will be back filled by OPV. It's all very obvious...

What does back filled by OPV mean?

OverPaid Veterans ?

[donutsina911]

Ayahuasca said:

What does back filled by OPV mean?

The RN has a number of 'standing commitments' which the service is obligated to cover (over simplified a little).

One of these is Atlantic Patrol (North) - in the old days, this was known as the West Indies Guard Ship, but the role hasn't changed that much - counter narcotics in the Caribbean with embarked US Coast Guard and other local forces and being on standby for Hurricane relief work (eg: HMS Cardiff and Hurricane Andrew in the 90s).

For as long as I can remember ATP(N) has been carried out by a Frigate or Destroyer, but as the surface fleet has shrunk, FF/DD hulls becoming rarer than rocking horse st and our Offshore Patrol Vessels become more capable, recently his has not been the case.

Here's one example:

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activi...

IIRC, ATP(N) has been filled by a couple of OPVs and even an RFA. The latter I can reconcile, but an OPV with fairly rudimentary kit would struggle to carry out meaningful work in the event of another Hurricane Andrew where hundreds of matelots of all trades pretty much restored an island's ability to function in the aftermath. Having a Wildcat embarked is pretty useful in spotting and stopping the drug runners too.

Expect this to happen more and more as the FF/DDs get pulled off to do Carrier Strike stuff and visiting the colonies becomes a job for the OPVs entirely..

[Evanivitch]

Ayahuasca said:

What does back filled by OPV mean?

It means we're going to replace our fighty ships with our budget ships. OPV serve a purpose, but only to support a strong fighting fleet, not to replace it.

[FourWheelDrift]

HMS Queen Elizabeth receives it's air wing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqVkPPvOMiw

[anonymous-user]

Evanivitch said:

Ayahuasca said:

What does back filled by OPV mean?

It means we're going to replace our fighty ships with our budget ships. OPV serve a purpose, but only to support a strong fighting fleet, not to replace it.

Presumably the larger ships that used to be in the Caribbean or falklands or wherever have now been replaced by these little river class patrol vessels. I saw one of these in Aruba a few months ago. It doesn't look big enough to do much disaster relief. Does it have a helicopter?

Presumably they used to do fishery patrols and tasks in the UK? So they've been replaced by even smaller ships?

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 7th July 15:38

[TTmonkey]

I've heard about a rumour that it's currently borked. "At anchor" but really just broken.

Not sure if any truth in this.

[HarryW]

TTmonkey said:

I've heard about a rumour that it's currently borked. "At anchor" but really just broken.

Not sure if any truth in this.

Really don't know but I suspect she will do a lot of trials at anchor, that first deck landing almost certainly would have been....

[ecsrobin]

Also the purpose of sea trials is to rectify issues encountered.

[HarryW]

ecsrobin said:

Also the purpose of sea trials is to rectify issues encountered.

A lot of sensor alignment will be completed whilst at anchor too, you can't turn and burn fully when alongside...

[ninja-lewis]

HarryW said:

TTmonkey said:

I've heard about a rumour that it's currently borked. "At anchor" but really just broken.

Not sure if any truth in this.

Really don't know but I suspect she will do a lot of trials at anchor, that first deck landing almost certainly would have been....

Footage of first deck landings:

https://twitter.com/VAdmJWoodcock/status/881984253...

The first Merlin landings the other day were with a moving deck (see 0:06 seconds in the video below). Probably easier for the pilots.

https://twitter.com/RoyalNavy/status/8819192032629...

Currently anchored in the Moray Firth. Twitter feed shows trials of launcher one of her seaboats as well as URNU P2000s trying out the stern transom steps. Also had a visit from MS Queen Elizabeth.

Edited by ninja-lewis on Friday 7th July 19:17

[HarryW]

ecsrobin said:

Also the purpose of sea trials is to rectify issues encountered.

A lot of sensor alignment will be completed whilst at anchor too, you can't turn and burn fully when alongside...

[HarryW]

ninja-lewis said:

HarryW said:

TTmonkey said:

I've heard about a rumour that it's currently borked. "At anchor" but really just broken.

Not sure if any truth in this.

Really don't know but I suspect she will do a lot of trials at anchor, that first deck landing almost certainly would have been....

First 'landing' was before she even left Rosyth.

https://twitter.com/VAdmJWoodcock/status/881984253...

The first Merlin landings the other day were with a moving deck (see 0:06 seconds in the video below). Probably easier for the pilots.

https://twitter.com/RoyalNavy/status/8819192032629...

Currently anchored in the Moray Firth. Twitter feed shows trials of launcher one of her seaboats as well as URNU P2000s trying out the stern transom steps. Also had a visit from MS Queen Elizabeth.

Ok thanks for that....although another view shows the port anchor chain down when it lands...

I presume you mean Cunards QE? If so was rather hoping they'd hook up off the IoW in August as I'm on her then...

Edited by HarryW on Friday 7th July 20:02

[Europa1]

HarryW said:

I presume you mean Cunards QE? If so was rather hoping they'd hook up off the IoW in August as I'm on her then...

Edited by HarryW on Friday 7th July 20:02

Someone posted a photo of the 2 Queen Elizabeths in the "Post amazingly cool photos.." thread.

[HarryW]

Europa1 said:

HarryW said:

I presume you mean Cunards QE? If so was rather hoping they'd hook up off the IoW in August as I'm on her then...

Edited by HarryW on Friday 7th July 20:02

Someone posted a photo of the 2 Queen Elizabeths in the "Post amazingly cool photos.." thread.

Yes the picture in on Cunards IG account.. https://instagram.com/p/BWQeYv5B6j0/