A320 down in Pakistan
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Starfighter said:
A short lecture on landing the shuttle with some data and in-flight footage.
https://youtu.be/Jb4prVsXkZU
Superb. The last 100knts shaved in such a short time as you head towards the ground are impressive. And no go around available. https://youtu.be/Jb4prVsXkZU
ash73 said:
It had a problem with pilot induced oscillation, iirc. I remember TV footage of Prince Charles watching an early landing and looking a bit nervous.
That was on one of the early glide flights with Enterprise. Most of the time the Shuttle behaved well on approach and landing. There was a bit of an "Oops" moment when Columbia landed back at the White Sands landing site at the end of the 3rd Shuttle mission in 1982 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sww7wF7bdA4
It was the only time White Sands was ever used.
Venisonpie said:
Starfighter said:
A short lecture on landing the shuttle with some data and in-flight footage.
https://youtu.be/Jb4prVsXkZU
Superb. The last 100knts shaved in such a short time as you head towards the ground are impressive. And no go around available. https://youtu.be/Jb4prVsXkZU
3 1/2 minutes, wow.
What really impresses, the first ever landing like that. Zero experience despite all the simulations.
Chuck328 said:
We take 30 minutes + to get from 30k + to landing (airliner).
3 1/2 minutes, wow.
What really impresses, the first ever landing like that. Zero experience despite all the simulations.
They had an aircraft which was modified to fly (well, fall) like the shuttle - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Training_Air...3 1/2 minutes, wow.
What really impresses, the first ever landing like that. Zero experience despite all the simulations.
Starfighter said:
A short lecture on landing the shuttle with some data and in-flight footage.
https://youtu.be/Jb4prVsXkZU
Thanks for that. https://youtu.be/Jb4prVsXkZU
Starfighter said:
A short lecture on landing the shuttle with some data and in-flight footage.
https://youtu.be/Jb4prVsXkZU
Genuinely enjoyed watching thathttps://youtu.be/Jb4prVsXkZU
If you like that you'll like this vid from STS-98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W4cfIyNvts
HUD view of Atlantis landing at Edwards in 2001 (with audio)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W4cfIyNvts
HUD view of Atlantis landing at Edwards in 2001 (with audio)
Flooble said:
They had an aircraft which was modified to fly (well, fall) like the shuttle - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Training_Air...
That's really cool, doing over 1000 practice landings before they let you up in the real thing, practice indeed.As expected, it appears there was indeed no technical issue/fault with the aircraft, following the Airbus communication to all operators yesterday:
”Based on the preliminary analysis of the available data (accident site information, ATC records, FDR and CVR data), Airbus has no specific safety recommendations to raise at this stage of the investigation.“
”Based on the preliminary analysis of the available data (accident site information, ATC records, FDR and CVR data), Airbus has no specific safety recommendations to raise at this stage of the investigation.“
aeropilot said:
As expected, it appears there was indeed no technical issue/fault with the aircraft, following the Airbus communication to all operators yesterday:
”Based on the preliminary analysis of the available data (accident site information, ATC records, FDR and CVR data), Airbus has no specific safety recommendations to raise at this stage of the investigation.“
So that suggest 100% pilot error?”Based on the preliminary analysis of the available data (accident site information, ATC records, FDR and CVR data), Airbus has no specific safety recommendations to raise at this stage of the investigation.“
Other than in the simulator do pilots as a general rule have their takeoffs/landings reviewed or sample checked to see how far they deviate from the prescribed approach/landing profile?
I was just thinking that this might not necessarily be the only incident where the Pilots have been sloppy (the only difference being they didnt get away with it).
Countdown said:
aeropilot said:
As expected, it appears there was indeed no technical issue/fault with the aircraft, following the Airbus communication to all operators yesterday:
”Based on the preliminary analysis of the available data (accident site information, ATC records, FDR and CVR data), Airbus has no specific safety recommendations to raise at this stage of the investigation.“
So that suggest 100% pilot error?”Based on the preliminary analysis of the available data (accident site information, ATC records, FDR and CVR data), Airbus has no specific safety recommendations to raise at this stage of the investigation.“
Clearly Airbus have seen no technical problems recorded on the systems, so it's clearly a crew induced crash as expected from what was already known.
Countdown said:
So that suggest 100% pilot error?
Other than in the simulator do pilots as a general rule have their takeoffs/landings reviewed or sample checked to see how far they deviate from the prescribed approach/landing profile?
I was just thinking that this might not necessarily be the only incident where the Pilots have been sloppy (the only difference being they didnt get away with it).
Airlines have an FDM (Flight Data Monitoring) programme, where records of all flights are regularly downloaded from aircraft and any preset parameters that are exceeded flagged up. Excessive speed during taxi is my favourite.Other than in the simulator do pilots as a general rule have their takeoffs/landings reviewed or sample checked to see how far they deviate from the prescribed approach/landing profile?
I was just thinking that this might not necessarily be the only incident where the Pilots have been sloppy (the only difference being they didnt get away with it).
Edited by Shy Torque on Saturday 6th June 18:20
Shy Torque said:
Airlines have an FDM (Flight Data Monitoring) programme, where records of all flights are regularly downloaded from aircraft and any preset parameters that are exceeded flagged up. Excessive speed during taxi is my favourite.
I am unsure if FDM is mandatory in Pakistan
yes, that's the type of thing I was wondering about.I am unsure if FDM is mandatory in Pakistan
I don't know if anybody remembers Krypton Factor? My favourite part was when they were tasked with landing an airliner, helicopter (or, on one occasion a Sea Harrier or a Space Shuttle). After they'd landed somebody would show an outline of their flightpath compared to the correct flightpath .
I thought if it was available it would be a good/quick/easy way of ensuring pilot proficiency.
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