Which boat for next summer?

[Candellara]

Our first boat was a 2010 Yamarin 68DC with a Yamaha 150hp outboard

Great 1st boat for us - used inshore and berthed at Chichester.

Had a cooker, sink, fridge, toilet on board but was a day boat so although it had a small cabin, we only slept on it a few times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpOW3qve7VI

Maintenance costs were absolutely minimal and we sold it after two years for more than we paid for it and within just 2 hours after listing on Ebay!

Our complete first foray into boat ownership was totally cost neutral inc all costs. Now that's something you'll never hear in the boating world? :-)

Edited by Candellara on Monday 2nd November 17:03

[Simpo Two]

Louis Balfour said:

I have also gleaned a useful bit of info- the 795 is above the legal towing width by 2cm. Also, a lot of people use Shiply rather than towing themselves.

That could get expensive if you go every weekend. Presume you need to be there at each end to make sure they don't drop it?

[pequod]

Candellara said:

Our first boat was a 2010 Yamarin 68DC with a Yamaha 150hp outboard

Great 1st boat for us - used inshore and berthed at Chichester.

Had a cooker, sink, fridge, toilet on board but was a day boat so although it had a small cabin, we only slept on it a few times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpOW3qve7VI

Maintenance costs were absolutely minimal and we sold it after two years for more than we paid for it and within just 2 hours after listing on Ebay!

Our complete first foray into boat ownership was totally cost neutral inc all costs. Now that's something you'll never hear in the boating world? :-)

Edited by Candellara on Monday 2nd November 17:03

You haven't read the thread, because if you have followed the OP's request for help from the beginning, your offering doesn't meet the brief?

Sorry to say, I don't believe you have come out ahead after 'all' costs have been accounted for, particularly berthing and yard costs at Chichester Marina, or did you have access to a cheaper mooring in Chich?

[pequod]

Louis Balfour said:

I am hearing from the dealers that second hand 695s are like rocking horse poo at the moment.

I have also gleaned a useful bit of info- the 795 is above the legal towing width by 2cm. Also, a lot of people use Shiply rather than towing themselves.

As we have advised you before, finding what you want in terms of a particular brand and model is the first step. Finding one in good condition within your budget is an entirely different prospect and is one of the many frustrations (or challenges) for boaters, whatever their area of interest!

Given your requirements to have a boat for next Summer, you may have to be more flexible with your 'optional extras' preferences when buying second hand or simply open the wallet and buy new with the options selected.

HTH

[Louis Balfour]

pequod said:

Given your requirements to have a boat for next Summer, you may have to be more flexible with your 'optional extras' preferences when buying second hand or simply open the wallet and buy new with the options selected.

HTH

In point of fact, I have found our perfect spec boat new at a Jeanneau agent. It's approaching 3 times the original budget!

The only other thing with it is that it has the blue gel coat and I am not sure whether I prefer white.

But, happily, the dealer runs a 695 as a family boat and has offered to take us out in it.

[Thankyou4calling]

Slow down LB.

I’m calculating that budget is now up to £75k?

That’s serious money if you’re not a committed boater sir.

[PushedDover]

Louis Balfour said:

In point of fact, I have found our perfect spec boat new at a Jeanneau agent. It's approaching 3 times the original budget!

The only other thing with it is that it has the blue gel coat and I am not sure whether I prefer white.

But, happily, the dealer runs a 695 as a family boat and has offered to take us out in it.

Blue hills are cool and classy

You’re doing this right

[IforB]

Louis Balfour said:

pequod said:

Given your requirements to have a boat for next Summer, you may have to be more flexible with your 'optional extras' preferences when buying second hand or simply open the wallet and buy new with the options selected.

HTH

In point of fact, I have found our perfect spec boat new at a Jeanneau agent. It's approaching 3 times the original budget!

The only other thing with it is that it has the blue gel coat and I am not sure whether I prefer white.

But, happily, the dealer runs a 695 as a family boat and has offered to take us out in it.

That is a lot of coin for a starter boat.

Don't get me wrong I suspect you will love it, but like most people fairly new to the water, it will take a bit of time to realise what you really need as opposed to want from a boat.

What seems perfect now, may change fairly quickly.

My preference would be for something will less depreciation potential, so if you do change your mind, the swap will be less painful.

[PushedDover]

And colour matching Blue versus White is less easy for the bumps and bangs

[Louis Balfour]

IforB said:

Louis Balfour said:

pequod said:

Given your requirements to have a boat for next Summer, you may have to be more flexible with your 'optional extras' preferences when buying second hand or simply open the wallet and buy new with the options selected.

HTH

In point of fact, I have found our perfect spec boat new at a Jeanneau agent. It's approaching 3 times the original budget!

The only other thing with it is that it has the blue gel coat and I am not sure whether I prefer white.

But, happily, the dealer runs a 695 as a family boat and has offered to take us out in it.

That is a lot of coin for a starter boat.

Don't get me wrong I suspect you will love it, but like most people fairly new to the water, it will take a bit of time to realise what you really need as opposed to want from a boat.

What seems perfect now, may change fairly quickly.

My preference would be for something will less depreciation potential, so if you do change your mind, the swap will be less painful.

I agree and I don't want to spend that.

But the boats that I have seen that are for sale or sold £50k ish are pretty basic.

Our local Jeanneau dealer has no new allocation for 2021.

I'd guess the current £50k boats will have cost £60k new, so they've lost £3500 per annum during a period when boat economics were normal (ish). Will we do much worse?

[Louis Balfour]

PushedDover said:

And colour matching Blue versus White is less easy for the bumps and bangs

I did ask the question about how easy the blue is to repair.

I was told that the blue layer is circa 4mm thick and a tub of the blue repair stuff about £100.

[PushedDover]

Louis Balfour said:

PushedDover said:

And colour matching Blue versus White is less easy for the bumps and bangs

I did ask the question about how easy the blue is to repair.

I was told that the blue layer is circa 4mm thick and a tub of the blue repair stuff about £100.

[Simpo Two]

Louis Balfour said:

I'd guess the current £50k boats will have cost £60k new, so they've lost £3500 per annum during a period when boat economics were normal (ish). Will we do much worse?

Sometimes you have to step away from the numbers. Financially, boats will never make sense (unless you hire them out) - they are for pleasure. Don't apply car logic to boats. A boat is a small floating house, no two the same, full of complexities you haven't met before, so there is much to learn

Louis Balfour said:

I did ask the question about how easy the blue is to repair.

I was told that the blue layer is circa 4mm thick and a tub of the blue repair stuff about £100.

If you manage to gouge it to more than 4mm you deserve all you get! If you want navy, have navy - though you might have to make do with white - this time...

[NickCQ]

Louis Balfour said:

I did ask the question about how easy the blue is to repair.

I was told that the blue layer is circa 4mm thick and a tub of the blue repair stuff about £100.

Ask to be shown some examples of repairs. Colour matching even white gelcoat is notoriously difficult given the UV degradation it suffers,

[NickCQ]

Simpo Two said:

Louis Balfour said:

I'd guess the current £50k boats will have cost £60k new, so they've lost £3500 per annum during a period when boat economics were normal (ish). Will we do much worse?

Sometimes you have to step away from the numbers. Financially, boats will never make sense (unless you hire them out) - they are for pleasure. Don't apply car logic to boats

I have to say I agree with this. Treat the purchase price as 'spent' and then the residual value (if any) is a nice surprise.

[Louis Balfour]

NickCQ said:

Louis Balfour said:

I did ask the question about how easy the blue is to repair.

I was told that the blue layer is circa 4mm thick and a tub of the blue repair stuff about £100.

Ask to be shown some examples of repairs. Colour matching even white gelcoat is notoriously difficult given the UV degradation it suffers,

Is sticker bombing a boat the done thing?

[Yacht Broker]

Louis Balfour said:

NickCQ said:

Louis Balfour said:

I did ask the question about how easy the blue is to repair.

I was told that the blue layer is circa 4mm thick and a tub of the blue repair stuff about £100.

Ask to be shown some examples of repairs. Colour matching even white gelcoat is notoriously difficult given the UV degradation it suffers,

Is sticker bombing a boat the done thing?

I wouldn't personally go for blue if I could find something on white.

Beneteau Group blue gelcoat can look pretty awful after 10-15yrs. It will polish up and look fab for about 5 mins (long enough to make the sale) and then end up in a faded mid-blue chalky tone for the rest. Any gelcoat repair will also stand out from a distance. If a gelcoat repair is made, it is colour-matched at the time, but after that, it will tend to fade at a different rate (very commonly seen on the bow area of sailing yachts where the anchors have struck).

Painted or coloured gelcoat hulls, painted rigs (on sailboats) and teak decks are three cosmetic 'niceties' that can really screw things up when the time comes to sell further down the line.

At least there is now the option of vinyl wrap which may not last as long as Awlgrip, but is somewhat cheaper.

I'm starting to look at 695's myself. Have a 2013 595 at the moment with every possible option (plus more inc fridge, shore power, charger cockpit covers) and super low hours on the serviced and warranted Suzuki 90 (reliable 24 knots), but can go up to 7.5m on my marina berth (don't want to go larger as I already have a 12m berth for my other boat which bankrupts me annually).

The 595 pretty much does everything that the 625 or 645 does (sleeps 3, has a sink etc etc), so to make a difference I need to go appreciably larger. I'm just debating whether to put the 595 up for sale or buy the next one first and then sell (the market is so crazy for these that I don't want to risk selling an immaculate boat and then not being able to find a replacement).

All good fun... It makes a pleasant change to be on the other side of the desk occasionally.

Edited by Yacht Broker on Tuesday 3rd November 07:54

[Louis Balfour]

Yacht Broker said:

Louis Balfour said:

NickCQ said:

Louis Balfour said:

I did ask the question about how easy the blue is to repair.

I was told that the blue layer is circa 4mm thick and a tub of the blue repair stuff about £100.

Ask to be shown some examples of repairs. Colour matching even white gelcoat is notoriously difficult given the UV degradation it suffers,

Is sticker bombing a boat the done thing?

I wouldn't personally go for blue if I could find something on white.

Beneteau Group blue gelcoat can look pretty awful after 10-15yrs. It will polish up and look fab for about 5 mins (long enough to make the sale) and then end up in a faded mid-blue chalky tone for the rest. Any gelcoat repair will also stand out from a distance. If a gelcoat repair is made, it is colour-matched at the time, but after that, it will tend to fade at a different rate (very commonly seen on the bow area of sailing yachts where the anchors have struck).

Painted or coloured gelcoat hulls, painted rigs (on sailboats) and teak decks are three cosmetic 'niceties' that can really screw things up when the time comes to sell further down the line.

At least there is now the option of vinyl wrap which may not last as long as Awlgrip, but is somewhat cheaper.

I'm starting to look at 695's myself. Have a 2013 595 at the moment with every possible option (plus more inc fridge, shore power and charger) and super low hours on the servided and warranted Suzuki 90 (reliable 24 knots), but can go up to 7.5m on my marina berth (don't want to go larger as I already have a 12m berth for my other boat which bankrupts me annually). The 595 actually does everything that the 625 or 645 does (sleeps 3, has a sink etc etc), so to make a difference I need to appreciably larger. I'm just debating whether to put the 595 up for sale or buy the next one first and then sell (the market is so crazy for these that I don't want to risk selling an immaculate boat and then not being able to find a replacement).

All good fun... It makes a pleasant change to be on the other side of the desk occasionally.

Ah another one in the know also saying the 695 is the boat to have.

Intuitively, and knowing nothing at all about boats, I look at that blue gel coat and think that it's not going to be as durable as white. You've confirmed it. However, it seems that a lot of the new boats coming through have blue hulls.

[Yacht Broker]

Dark topsides finishes have been used by boat manufacturers for years to make increasingly 'voluminous' hulls look sleek. It's a pretty effective visual illusion.... It's also another tick on the options list...

[Louis Balfour]

Yacht Broker said:

Dark topsides finishes have been used by boat manufacturers for years to make increasingly 'voluminous' hulls look sleek. It's a pretty effective visual illusion.... It's also another tick on the options list...

I haven't done an exhaustive check, but the specs of all boats due imminently that I have seen have got the blue hull. I wonder whether Jeanneau has been offering a promotion to dealers!