Airbus intercepted by Mirage 2000

[TVR1]

eharding said:

MrTom said:

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

When I was flying the larger a/c types

Was that before you became a racing driver and engine builder or after? What career have you got planned for next week, neuroscientist or theoretical physicist?

Steady, lad.

I concur. Perhaps look up our esteemed members history by their profile before making assumptions.

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

MrTom said:

Was that before you became a racing driver and engine builder or after? What career have you got planned for next week, neuroscientist or theoretical physicist?

Excuse me?

What's your problem sunshine?

I raced cars while I was in the RAF because, oh shock horror!, it was an authorised sport (it still is). I've continued to do so since I left.

I build engines as a result of racing - I got tired of having engines built by so called 'experts' blowing up on me. When I left the Service I decided that, given that I didn't want to fly CivAir, that's what I would do.

Frankly your post is pathetic and I suggest you wind your neck in.

[TVR1]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

MrTom said:

Was that before you became a racing driver and engine builder or after? What career have you got planned for next week, neuroscientist or theoretical physicist?

Excuse me?

What's your problem sunshine?

I raced cars while I was in the RAF because, oh shock horror!, it was an authorised sport (it still is). I've continued to do so since I left.

I build engines as a result of racing - I got tired of having engines built by so called 'experts' blowing up on me. When I left the Service I decided that, given that I didn't want to fly CivAir, that's what I would do.

Frankly your post is pathetic and I suggest you wind your neck in.

[eccles]

TVR1 said:

I always chose the airline i fly, based on 'does this airline employ ex RAF/French/SA airforce pilots? Only on the basis that when it all goes wrong, you can at least know that they have actually 'flown' an aircraft, rather than spent hours on a sim.

Look up as many air crashes as you like...but the truth still remains, that most of the unrecoverables, where still recovered by ex military pilots. Gimli Glider,United 232...and many more. When put in a simulator....civilian pilots where dead.

How does that work then, do you phone up said airline, ask for HR and ask if they employ ex military pilots? It's not something I've noticed on their adverts!
Your post does a great disservice to civvy pilots, I've met many a military pilot who haven't exactly inspired confidence and many a civvy who's been the consummate professional.

[Simpo Two]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

followed by 2 barrels around my a/c followed by a vertical burner climb.

Well that's what happens if you pull the choke out to hang your handbag on!



On a more serious note, what level of aerobatics are combat pilots trained to, if any?



I think MrTom just crashed and burned

Edited by Simpo Two on Saturday 4th June 08:23

[BliarOut]

I 'dissed GGGirl once and she all but tore me a new one. I then went back and read her posting history.

She's a top nerd in a good way

[anonymous-user]

TVR1 said:

I always chose the airline i fly, based on 'does this airline employ ex RAF/French/SA airforce pilots? Only on the basis that when it all goes wrong, you can at least know that they have actually 'flown' an aircraft, rather than spent hours on a sim.

Look up as many air crashes as you like...but the truth still remains, that most of the unrecoverables, where still recovered by ex military pilots. Gimli Glider,United 232...and many more. When put in a simulator....civilian pilots where dead.

What utter utter drivel.

[anonymous-user]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

MrTom said:

Was that before you became a racing driver and engine builder or after? What career have you got planned for next week, neuroscientist or theoretical physicist?

Excuse me?

What's your problem sunshine?

I raced cars while I was in the RAF because, oh shock horror!, it was an authorised sport (it still is). I've continued to do so since I left.

I build engines as a result of racing - I got tired of having engines built by so called 'experts' blowing up on me. When I left the Service I decided that, given that I didn't want to fly CivAir, that's what I would do.

Frankly your post is pathetic and I suggest you wind your neck in.

You were an RAF C130 pilot (is that right?) and after you left the RAF didn't move into commercial flying and became an engine builder instead. That's still a very unusual career path for an RAF pilot to take. Did you consider going into an airline and working part time and building engines in your time off? Most airlines have all kinds of part time working arrangements. My lot has loads of part time pilots that race cars, run other businesses, do other sorts of flying ranging from flying war birds to air ambulance work etc also.

[TVR1]

el stovey said:

What utter utter drivel.

Why is it drivel? Historically incorrect? Please explain to me why major carriers still like ex mil pilots then? Yes, you may disagree with my personal view and how I choose which airline I fly but it's not drivel. That's my choice! perhaps these days an ill informed choice but it makes me happy
Of course, I did not intend to offer a disservice to non mil pilots. This thread isn't about them. I prefer BMW, it doesn't therefore mean Mercedes is crap, to use a motoring analogy. Apologees, no offence meant at all!

[davepoth]

TVR1 said:

Why is it drivel? Historically incorrect? Please explain to me why major carriers still like ex mil pilots then?

They already have thousands of hours of flight experience, as simple as that.

[anonymous-user]

TVR1 said:

el stovey said:

What utter utter drivel.

Why is it drivel? Historically incorrect? Please explain to me why major carriers still like ex mil pilots then? Yes, you may disagree with my personal view and how I choose which airline I fly but it's not drivel. That's my choice! perhaps these days an ill informed choice but it makes me happy
Of course, I did not intend to offer a disservice to non mil pilots. This thread isn't about them. I prefer BMW, it doesn't therefore mean Mercedes is crap, to use a motoring analogy. Apologees, no offence meant at all!

It's utter drivel because airlines employ all sorts of pilots from all sorts of backgrounds. I work for a major carrier and we have pilots join from the red arrows, ex test pilots and people joining with 200 hours fresh from flying training. All UK airlines are the same.

If you leave the RAF and nobody is recruiting except Ryanair then that's where you go. People don't leave the military and decide which airline is lucky enough to take them, they join whichever one will give them a job. There is no preference made for military pilots in UK airlines, it's all done by faceless HR departments with sex/ethnic quotas and psychometric testing asking questions about whether you want to watch TV shows about otters and nonsense like that. There isn't some old Battle of Britain pilot deciding who's the right sort.

[TVR1]

Hi eccles, probably not as easy as phoning HR! But there are a number of legacy carriers that in the past and still do, I believe, very much like to take ex mil. It's not too hard to find out which ones. I guess they like them for a reason? As I just posted, it's a choice that makes me happy.

[anonymous-user]

TVR1 said:

Hi eccles, probably not as easy as phoning HR! But there are a number of legacy carriers that in the past and still do, I believe, very much like to take ex mil. It's not too hard to find out which ones. I guess they like them for a reason? As I just posted, it's a choice that makes me happy.

Ok, so which airlines will give priority to ex military pilots over non ex military ones?

[JonnyFive]

I've heard that the RAF used to try and intercept Concorde.. Is that true?

[ninja-lewis]

Simpo Two said:

I'd wave or maybe grab some paper and some lipstick from somewhere and write 'WE'RE OK' and hold it up to the window. Passengers waving would indicate 'not hijacked' (unless the terrorsists tell them to wave of course) - dear me, where's Bruce Willis when you need him?

I like New Zealand. Nobody tries to blow you up there.

No, no - you communicate with the interceptor by flashing your navigation lights in morse code!

Unless you annoy the French.

[TVR1]

el stovey said:

TVR1 said:

Hi eccles, probably not as easy as phoning HR! But there are a number of legacy carriers that in the past and still do, I believe, very much like to take ex mil. It's not too hard to find out which ones. I guess they like them for a reason? As I just posted, it's a choice that makes me happy.

Ok, so which airlines will give priority to ex military pilots over non ex military ones?

Some will, some won't. Western Europe not so much now, US used to be something like 60%, Far East, Asia, Africa still takes a high proportion. Yes, things have changed but I am talking about a historical situation. If for no other reason than they get a pilot with many many flight hours. Of course, it would be silly to compare a heavy jet captain with 35 years experience and an airline cadet just moving over to GA. I agree, that my view may be out of date now but historically, it is accurate. You tell me, given the choice, in a sticky spot, assuming the same GA hours, training and experience who you would prefer to be up front? I know who I would prefer. As I said, its a personal preference. You may disagree with me, I don't mind.

[anonymous-user]

TVR1 said:

el stovey said:

TVR1 said:

Hi eccles, probably not as easy as phoning HR! But there are a number of legacy carriers that in the past and still do, I believe, very much like to take ex mil. It's not too hard to find out which ones. I guess they like them for a reason? As I just posted, it's a choice that makes me happy.

Ok, so which airlines will give priority to ex military pilots over non ex military ones?

Some will, some won't. Western Europe not so much now, US used to be something like 60%, Far East, Asia, Africa still takes a high proportion. Yes, things have changed but I am talking about a historical situation. If for no other reason than they get a pilot with many many flight hours. Of course, it would be silly to compare a heavy jet captain with 35 years experience and an airline cadet just moving over to GA. I agree, that my view may be out of date now but historically, it is accurate. You tell me, given the choice, in a sticky spot, assuming the same GA hours, training and experience who you would prefer to be up front? I know who I would prefer. As I said, its a personal preference. You may disagree with me, I don't mind.

Right but you started all this off by stating

TVR1 said:

I always chose the airline i fly, based on 'does this airline employ ex RAF/French/SA airforce pilots? Only on the basis that when it all goes wrong, you can at least know that they have actually 'flown' an aircraft, rather than spent hours on a sim.

Which airlines do you chose based on their employment of ex military pilots and what is it about that airlines recruitment process historically or otherwise that makes you chose them over other airlines?

[TVR1]

el stovey said:

TVR1 said:

el stovey said:

TVR1 said:

Hi eccles, probably not as easy as phoning HR! But there are a number of legacy carriers that in the past and still do, I believe, very much like to take ex mil. It's not too hard to find out which ones. I guess they like them for a reason? As I just posted, it's a choice that makes me happy.

Ok, so which airlines will give priority to ex military pilots over non ex military ones?

Some will, some won't. Western Europe not so much now, US used to be something like 60%, Far East, Asia, Africa still takes a high proportion. Yes, things have changed but I am talking about a historical situation. If for no other reason than they get a pilot with many many flight hours. Of course, it would be silly to compare a heavy jet captain with 35 years experience and an airline cadet just moving over to GA. I agree, that my view may be out of date now but historically, it is accurate. You tell me, given the choice, in a sticky spot, assuming the same GA hours, training and experience who you would prefer to be up front? I know who I would prefer. As I said, its a personal preference. You may disagree with me, I don't mind.

Right but you started all this off by stating

TVR1 said:

I always chose the airline i fly, based on 'does this airline employ ex RAF/French/SA airforce pilots? Only on the basis that when it all goes wrong, you can at least know that they have actually 'flown' an aircraft, rather than spent hours on a sim.

Which airlines do you chose based on their employment of ex military pilots and what is it about that airlines recruitment process historically or otherwise that makes you chose them over other airlines?

sorry, since when do I have to justify my opinion to you, on the internet?

[Mojocvh]

TVR1 said:

Chuck328 said:

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

Why?

You've obviously not operated in the commercial world have you?

And that is the point of this thread, yes? I don't know Ginetta but have followed a couple of her posts, so have an idea of what she does. She is putting acros the 'other side of the coin' and what a bloody fab side it is! Dont forget, one of the big issues over the last few years in civil aviation, is the lack of military pilots moving into the commercial field. Its not so much the time spent flying (although that is part of the job) but is the constant alert for things going wrong and the awareness involved. And also, being able to have a play and see 'what/can this aircraft do?'

I always chose the airline i fly, based on 'does this airline employ ex RAF/French/SA airforce pilots? Only on the basis that when it all goes wrong, you can at least know that they have actually 'flown' an aircraft, rather than spent hours on a sim.

Look up as many air crashes as you like...but the truth still remains, that most of the unrecoverables, where still recovered by ex military pilots. Gimli Glider,United 232...and many more. When put in a simulator....civilian pilots where dead.

So buzz me when im flying! crack on, and ill have a beer for you when i get back down to terra firma!

[anonymous-user]

TVR1 said:

el stovey said:

TVR1 said:

el stovey said:

TVR1 said:

Hi eccles, probably not as easy as phoning HR! But there are a number of legacy carriers that in the past and still do, I believe, very much like to take ex mil. It's not too hard to find out which ones. I guess they like them for a reason? As I just posted, it's a choice that makes me happy.

Ok, so which airlines will give priority to ex military pilots over non ex military ones?

Some will, some won't. Western Europe not so much now, US used to be something like 60%, Far East, Asia, Africa still takes a high proportion. Yes, things have changed but I am talking about a historical situation. If for no other reason than they get a pilot with many many flight hours. Of course, it would be silly to compare a heavy jet captain with 35 years experience and an airline cadet just moving over to GA. I agree, that my view may be out of date now but historically, it is accurate. You tell me, given the choice, in a sticky spot, assuming the same GA hours, training and experience who you would prefer to be up front? I know who I would prefer. As I said, its a personal preference. You may disagree with me, I don't mind.

Right but you started all this off by stating

TVR1 said:

I always chose the airline i fly, based on 'does this airline employ ex RAF/French/SA airforce pilots? Only on the basis that when it all goes wrong, you can at least know that they have actually 'flown' an aircraft, rather than spent hours on a sim.

Which airlines do you chose based on their employment of ex military pilots and what is it about that airlines recruitment process historically or otherwise that makes you chose them over other airlines?

sorry, since when do I have to justify my opinion to you, on the internet?

You can't justify your statements because as I said earlier, you are talking utter drivel.