DC-10 firefighting OMG

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DaveH23

3,240 posts

171 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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DaveH23 said:
I seen a video like this years ago and after dropping the waters the wings fold in on themselves and the plane simply falls to the ground.


Will try find the video.
here it is;

https://youtu.be/-A4QZAxrb28

According to the article 3 lost their lives frown

tenfour

26,140 posts

215 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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markmullen said:
Awesome, it's like no one has told them they're in a DC10 and they're driving it like a much smaller more agile aircraft.

Top work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QJTZXl_5BE

yikes

FourWheelDrift

88,670 posts

285 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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tenfour said:
Are you going to tell him he missed or shall I hehe

Simpo Two

85,761 posts

266 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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Yertis said:
Well let's see it then, with custard tin, etc... ;-)
Unusually for me that series of photos is one I don't post online, in case people nick it. Silly maybe but I'm quite jealous of them!

528Sport

1,433 posts

235 months

Wednesday 20th July 2016
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FourWheelDrift said:
Speed 3 said:
I know these guys are at the edge of the envelope but that is proper scary eek



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgdmW-Q7ZCI

(video found courtesy of ralphrj's post in the GIF thread)
If there's a failure in the release mechanism there's a much heavier aircraft trying to pull up and avoid the mountain. One of the Martin Mars flying boats was lost that way.
nothing like the sound of a jet engine at full chat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPedHJNQNUM


a little video about the aircraft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG06xAbBf3Q



Edited by 528Sport on Wednesday 20th July 15:08

tdm34

7,375 posts

211 months

Wednesday 20th July 2016
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FourWheelDrift said:
tenfour said:
Are you going to tell him he missed or shall I hehe
From what I gather sometimes the retardant is laid down in the path of the fire, and not actually on the fire...

tim0409

4,482 posts

160 months

Thursday 21st July 2016
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tdm34 said:
FourWheelDrift said:
tenfour said:
Are you going to tell him he missed or shall I hehe
From what I gather sometimes the retardant is laid down in the path of the fire, and not actually on the fire...
According to the second video that's correct - no amount of water a plane can carry would put out the primary fire; it's all about creating a barrier to stop it spreading.

FourWheelDrift

88,670 posts

285 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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I know I was joking smile


But in other news gollow the Martin Mars water bomber en route to EAA AirVenture, Oshkosh 2016 on Flight Radar 24 here - http://fr24.com/CFLYL/a6f7d88

ChemicalChaos

10,413 posts

161 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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Speed 3 said:
Eric Mc said:
I often wonder how the airframes stand up to such treatment. These aeroplanes were not really designed to be hauled through such manoeuvers at low altitude. We had the wing come off an old C-130 a few years ago.
Yup, even though a lot of the fleet is ex-mil its transport stuff that wouldn't be designed for a lifetime of those manouvres. Lots been lost over the years, especially when you add in low-vis from smoke. The converted DC-10 and the 747 must have some very specific restrictions and customised ops manuals alongside mods. Only takes an engine surge or hydraulic glitch to take out the very slim margins, especially in hot, swirling air. Probably as easy to get life insurance as having BASE jumper on your cv .....
DaveH23 said:
DaveH23 said:
I seen a video like this years ago and after dropping the waters the wings fold in on themselves and the plane simply falls to the ground.


Will try find the video.
here it is;

https://youtu.be/-A4QZAxrb28

According to the article 3 lost their lives frown
I believe this was a much more complex case - the aircraft was ex-CIA, and had a lot of flying hours on covert missions that never appeared on the logbook. Hence, the servicing and fatigue checks were well behind schedule, with the tragic results frown

Krikkit

26,592 posts

182 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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ChemicalChaos said:
I believe this was a much more complex case - the aircraft was ex-CIA, and had a lot of flying hours on covert missions that never appeared on the logbook. Hence, the servicing and fatigue checks were well behind schedule, with the tragic results frown
Sauce? From a quick read of their report the NTSB concluded that the inspection/maintenance program wasn't sufficient for the work it was doing.

Eric Mc

122,165 posts

266 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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What's all this "sauce" nonsense?

p1stonhead

25,687 posts

168 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Awesome.


NJK44

1,364 posts

97 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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AMD87

2,004 posts

203 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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I wonder if he has the low terrain warning taped over eek

J4CKO

41,725 posts

201 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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markmullen said:
Awesome, it's like no one has told them they're in a DC10 and they're driving it like a much smaller more agile aircraft.

Top work.
It is impressive, you dont generally see airliners being flung about like that and I do love a Trijet, I know its all certified and test but it must be pretty seat of the pants, and really these guys are risking their lives in these situations, especially when you consider that its a pretty old plane that has been modified and it didnt exactly have a stellar record for safety when in passenger service, though I would imagine the issues are long sorted.

Seems they did have a nasty moment, look at incidents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC-10_Air_Tanker

Must be weird having your plane suddenly lose a significant amount of weight in 8 seconds or less.

Fair play to them though, that must take some skill and no small amount of bottle, would love a passenger ride on that, bet it is pretty alarming to those only used to normal passenger flights.


lufbramatt

5,361 posts

135 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Interesting that it weighs quite a lot less loaded with the fire retardant than they would have done carrying passengers, explains how agile they seem to appear in the videos.

Wasn't there a film released in the 80's/90's about fighting forest fires with planes? Seem to remember a scene of a B25(?) crashing into burning trees?

FourWheelDrift

88,670 posts

285 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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lufbramatt said:
Wasn't there a film released in the 80's/90's about fighting forest fires with planes? Seem to remember a scene of a B25(?) crashing into burning trees?
Always (1989). Richard Dreyfuss, Jon Goodman, Holly Hunter and in her last film Audrey Hepburn.

P's. A-26 Invader I think.

Edited by FourWheelDrift on Monday 25th July 15:26

Mutley

3,178 posts

260 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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FourWheelDrift said:
lufbramatt said:
Wasn't there a film released in the 80's/90's about fighting forest fires with planes? Seem to remember a scene of a B25(?) crashing into burning trees?
Always (1989). Richard Dreyfuss, Jon Goodman, Holly Hunter and in her last film Audrey Hepburn.

P's. A-26 Invader I think.

Edited by FourWheelDrift on Monday 25th July 15:26
One of my favourite films (a remake of a 1943 film A Guy Named Joe) correct A26s, PBY Catalina, C-119

Speed 3

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4,636 posts

120 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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Mutley said:
One of my favourite films (a remake of a 1943 film A Guy Named Joe) correct A26s, PBY Catalina, C-119
Great romance, had me blubbing too biglaugh

Mutley

3,178 posts

260 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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Speed 3 said:
Mutley said:
One of my favourite films (a remake of a 1943 film A Guy Named Joe) correct A26s, PBY Catalina, C-119
Great romance, had me blubbing too biglaugh
Yeah, I wept when Petes A26 went bang. Such a tragic loss of airframe