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I initially put some pictures over in the recognised Scale Models section but I have since decided, if at all possible, to post aircraft model pictures here - as there seems to be more interest in aircraft models in the aircraft forum than in the model forum.
If the mods don't like it, they can do what they feel they have to do.
But I do think that the "Scale Models" forum has been hijacked to some extent by posts on "non-scale" models - mainly radio control Tamiya buggies and helicopters.
Also, many aviation enthusiasts appreciate accurate models of real aircraft but may nor have an interest in models per se - so are unlikely to bother going to the Scale Models forum.
The fact that the pictures of my models elicited far more comment in this forum than in teh Scale Models section seems to bear out my theory.
My interest in building models of aircraft is based on my interest in the real thing.
If I post any pictures of non-aircraft models (which I occasionally build) I will post them over in Scale Models.
If the mods don't like it, they can do what they feel they have to do.
But I do think that the "Scale Models" forum has been hijacked to some extent by posts on "non-scale" models - mainly radio control Tamiya buggies and helicopters.
Also, many aviation enthusiasts appreciate accurate models of real aircraft but may nor have an interest in models per se - so are unlikely to bother going to the Scale Models forum.
The fact that the pictures of my models elicited far more comment in this forum than in teh Scale Models section seems to bear out my theory.
My interest in building models of aircraft is based on my interest in the real thing.
If I post any pictures of non-aircraft models (which I occasionally build) I will post them over in Scale Models.
This particular sub forum could just have one sinlge stickied topic for aeronautical/maritime and locomotive based modelling, to avoid dilution of the sub forum overall. Which would enable those who appreciate/model etc a place to discuss the fine points of aircraft and scale modelling. Either that or kick out Tamiya self lovers from scale modelling and give them their own sub forum.
Love your work btw eric.
Love your work btw eric.
Hi
I like to look in sometimes at the models section and I quite agree with you Eric
I have just "peered in" to the R/C buggy section looking for aircraft models, frankly a fruitless excercise.
I saw these posts a few days ago and Eric's models reminded me of the good old days when I used to be an aeromodeller. Nice ones Eric
I used to be in IPMS many years ago and achieved my biggest ambition by winning B(Mod) at the nationals with my Shackleton AEW2.
The Shack and my scratchbuilt HAR10 Whirlwind now live in a case at RAF Cosford. I'm quite (very) proud of that!
Great times for me they were, but time moving on has meant I lost the ability to do detailing well enough. I remember when the "urge" died, I was halfway through sorting out a Matchbox Chinook when it all seemed a step too far...
It's feeling quite like old times though, reading these posts
I have a couple of "through the glass" pictures from the last visit to Cosfod for you but they lack a lot of clarity, 'specially the Shack![](http://thumbsnap.com/sc/FVXyMpl5.jpg[/img]</a> <a href="http://thumbsnap.com/v/5pjfd82H.jpg" Target="_blank">[img]http://thumbsnap.com/sc/5pjfd82H.jpg)
I hope these come out OK and you enjoy them
I like to look in sometimes at the models section and I quite agree with you Eric
I have just "peered in" to the R/C buggy section looking for aircraft models, frankly a fruitless excercise.
I saw these posts a few days ago and Eric's models reminded me of the good old days when I used to be an aeromodeller. Nice ones Eric
I used to be in IPMS many years ago and achieved my biggest ambition by winning B(Mod) at the nationals with my Shackleton AEW2.
The Shack and my scratchbuilt HAR10 Whirlwind now live in a case at RAF Cosford. I'm quite (very) proud of that!
Great times for me they were, but time moving on has meant I lost the ability to do detailing well enough. I remember when the "urge" died, I was halfway through sorting out a Matchbox Chinook when it all seemed a step too far...
It's feeling quite like old times though, reading these posts
I have a couple of "through the glass" pictures from the last visit to Cosfod for you but they lack a lot of clarity, 'specially the Shack
I hope these come out OK and you enjoy them
hi Eric
Perdu is Bill
Alan Hall (remember him?) wrote some nice things about the Shack in Aviation News many years ago, but frankly I no longer have the patience or the steady hands required.
I used to mould my own canopies for most aircraft and you can see these on both models.
The last major model I made wasnt even highly C at the nats and that was one of the reasons I stopped too
They were awarding classes for models with twenty or thirty percent of white metal castings and gave nothing for my totally scratch built Shorts Sherpa in plasticard and plastic resin.
And like some kind of prima donna I threw my toys away!
Stopped in the middle of the Chonook I was working over
never looked back
Now I am content looking at models like yours and the other guys that post, your Cranberry is a nice model
I'll see if I have any more of the HAR10, I kinda love that chopper.
slightly blurry Shack again
Perdu is Bill
Alan Hall (remember him?) wrote some nice things about the Shack in Aviation News many years ago, but frankly I no longer have the patience or the steady hands required.
I used to mould my own canopies for most aircraft and you can see these on both models.
The last major model I made wasnt even highly C at the nats and that was one of the reasons I stopped too
They were awarding classes for models with twenty or thirty percent of white metal castings and gave nothing for my totally scratch built Shorts Sherpa in plasticard and plastic resin.
And like some kind of prima donna I threw my toys away!
Stopped in the middle of the Chonook I was working over
never looked back
Now I am content looking at models like yours and the other guys that post, your Cranberry is a nice model
I'll see if I have any more of the HAR10, I kinda love that chopper.
slightly blurry Shack again
hi Eric
Perdu is Bill
Alan Hall (remember him?) wrote some nice things about the Shack in Aviation News many years ago, but frankly I no longer have the patience or the steady hands required.
I used to mould my own canopies for most aircraft and you can see these on both models.
The last major model I made wasnt even highly C at the nats and that was one of the reasons I stopped too
They were awarding classes for models with twenty or thirty percent of white metal castings and gave nothing for my totally scratch built Shorts Sherpa in plasticard and plastic resin.
And like some kind of prima donna I threw my toys away!
Stopped in the middle of the Chinook I was working over
never looked back
Now I am content looking at models like yours and the other guys that post, your Cranberry is a nice model
I'll see if I have any more of the HAR10, I kinda love that chopper.
slightly blurry Shack again
Perdu is Bill
Alan Hall (remember him?) wrote some nice things about the Shack in Aviation News many years ago, but frankly I no longer have the patience or the steady hands required.
I used to mould my own canopies for most aircraft and you can see these on both models.
The last major model I made wasnt even highly C at the nats and that was one of the reasons I stopped too
They were awarding classes for models with twenty or thirty percent of white metal castings and gave nothing for my totally scratch built Shorts Sherpa in plasticard and plastic resin.
And like some kind of prima donna I threw my toys away!
Stopped in the middle of the Chinook I was working over
never looked back
Now I am content looking at models like yours and the other guys that post, your Cranberry is a nice model
I'll see if I have any more of the HAR10, I kinda love that chopper.
slightly blurry Shack again
I think competitiveness is the antisesis of what modelling is about. Over the years, I feel that too much emphasis has been put on model competitions and judging of same.
I model for myself - and no one else. Obviously, I want to make the models to the best of my ability - but I don't see why they need to be judged and marked.
At my local model club I put my models out for display where they are automatically judged as part of the monthly model competition. However, I don't care where they are placed and I don't even vote in the competition. I build models for relaxation and getting upset over how others rate my "masterpieces" would take that relaxation element away.
I model for myself - and no one else. Obviously, I want to make the models to the best of my ability - but I don't see why they need to be judged and marked.
At my local model club I put my models out for display where they are automatically judged as part of the monthly model competition. However, I don't care where they are placed and I don't even vote in the competition. I build models for relaxation and getting upset over how others rate my "masterpieces" would take that relaxation element away.
Of course it does. But you can drive yourself for your own reasons as well.
I am always seeking to make my models look better - but I'm still not a fan of the competitive ethos of the modelling fraternity.
Unfortunately, nearly every human activity can, and does, get turned into a competition, whether it's driving a car faster, baking a cake or growing a marrow.
Don't get me wrong, I love looking at the master modellers and the entries they put into the big competitions such as the IPMS Nationals or even our local club events. However, I myself don't willingly participate in that side of things. Having said that, one of my models came second in its class last meeting - which was nice - if a tad surprising.
I too drifted away from building models for the best part of ten years. However, about four or five years ago I suddenly began to feel the urge to get back into it. I think visiting modelling themed websites was the initial spur plus the realisation that there were so many good new models and good new modelling products out there that my enthusiasm was fired up.
I am a total convert to acrylic paints, for instance, which were only coming in back in the early 1990s.
To get back into it I would suggest the following -
ignore the competitive aspect at things (for a while at least)
build for yourself
build a few simple models out of the box with no attempt to super detail
try and finish a model quickly (within a couple of weeks)
I am always seeking to make my models look better - but I'm still not a fan of the competitive ethos of the modelling fraternity.
Unfortunately, nearly every human activity can, and does, get turned into a competition, whether it's driving a car faster, baking a cake or growing a marrow.
Don't get me wrong, I love looking at the master modellers and the entries they put into the big competitions such as the IPMS Nationals or even our local club events. However, I myself don't willingly participate in that side of things. Having said that, one of my models came second in its class last meeting - which was nice - if a tad surprising.
I too drifted away from building models for the best part of ten years. However, about four or five years ago I suddenly began to feel the urge to get back into it. I think visiting modelling themed websites was the initial spur plus the realisation that there were so many good new models and good new modelling products out there that my enthusiasm was fired up.
I am a total convert to acrylic paints, for instance, which were only coming in back in the early 1990s.
To get back into it I would suggest the following -
ignore the competitive aspect at things (for a while at least)
build for yourself
build a few simple models out of the box with no attempt to super detail
try and finish a model quickly (within a couple of weeks)
Edited by Eric Mc on Saturday 4th July 08:55
I would say that MOST models on display in museums are NOT built up from kits. Some are from the manufacturer's old stores and archives and some might have been publicity models made professionally for manufacturers or airlines.
Whenever I see kit built models in museums, they often aren't that great. This is usually because they were made many years ago when model making standards and the kits themselves might not have been at the levels they are today.
I see better models at my local club (not including my own - of course).
There are exceptions, of course, but by and large, I've not always been that impressed with museum model displays.
Whenever I see kit built models in museums, they often aren't that great. This is usually because they were made many years ago when model making standards and the kits themselves might not have been at the levels they are today.
I see better models at my local club (not including my own - of course).
There are exceptions, of course, but by and large, I've not always been that impressed with museum model displays.
perdu said:
Hi
I like to look in sometimes at the models section and I quite agree with you Eric
I have just "peered in" to the R/C buggy section looking for aircraft models, frankly a fruitless excercise.
I saw these posts a few days ago and Eric's models reminded me of the good old days when I used to be an aeromodeller. Nice ones Eric
I used to be in IPMS many years ago and achieved my biggest ambition by winning B(Mod) at the nationals with my Shackleton AEW2.
The Shack and my scratchbuilt HAR10 Whirlwind now live in a case at RAF Cosford. I'm quite (very) proud of that!
Great times for me they were, but time moving on has meant I lost the ability to do detailing well enough. I remember when the "urge" died, I was halfway through sorting out a Matchbox Chinook when it all seemed a step too far...
It's feeling quite like old times though, reading these posts
I have a couple of "through the glass" pictures from the last visit to Cosfod for you but they lack a lot of clarity, 'specially the Shack
I hope these come out OK and you enjoy them
Bill,I like to look in sometimes at the models section and I quite agree with you Eric
I have just "peered in" to the R/C buggy section looking for aircraft models, frankly a fruitless excercise.
I saw these posts a few days ago and Eric's models reminded me of the good old days when I used to be an aeromodeller. Nice ones Eric
I used to be in IPMS many years ago and achieved my biggest ambition by winning B(Mod) at the nationals with my Shackleton AEW2.
The Shack and my scratchbuilt HAR10 Whirlwind now live in a case at RAF Cosford. I'm quite (very) proud of that!
Great times for me they were, but time moving on has meant I lost the ability to do detailing well enough. I remember when the "urge" died, I was halfway through sorting out a Matchbox Chinook when it all seemed a step too far...
It's feeling quite like old times though, reading these posts
I have a couple of "through the glass" pictures from the last visit to Cosfod for you but they lack a lot of clarity, 'specially the Shack
I hope these come out OK and you enjoy them
Models always seem to look worse in photos than in reality, but yours look great even in what are pretty bad pictures, so well done!
I agree somewhat with Eric about building for yourself. I used to build Tamiya F1 cars for Beatties model shop (there is a picture of the collection on the 'scale models' forum somewhere). The deal was: kit and materials free, in return for a completed model. I only did two, then decided to buy everything myself and just loan the models. It seemed like a good deal initially, but after putting hours into a build it's nice to actually own the result! Several customers wanted models building, but I never built any. To me the time involved was worth more than any reasonable amount of cash.
Regarding models in museums, I posted a thread about the Hamburg Maritime Museum which has an entire model workshop you can sometimes get a tour of. The craftsmen/artists there are very friendy and freely offered excellent advice on my latest ship model. Well worth a visit:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
The models in that museum are without exception, brilliant.
Cheers,
Hi thanks for appreciating the pair in Cosford
I tend to agree with Eric about museum models in general, the quality is often uncertain
My pair were headhunted many years ago by a well known IPMS Birmingham member who was a "friend" of the Cosford museum. Soon after he had them and donated them he, sadly passed away. Ron was a true gentleman with the Cosford site as one of his passions and so I never claimed them back off the museum.
But frankly it still amazes me that they are happily still displayed over 25 years later.
I no longer criticise any one's models though, all of them have enthusiasm as a driving force and matter very much to the artists who made them.
To be honest I love the "style" of the great factory model makers, not necessarily inch perfect but all redolent of the era in which they were produced.
I first became entranced by the "shipping line models" displayed in so many museums, we had several very highly finished ones in the Birmingham Science Museum
totally gorgeous...
I tend to agree with Eric about museum models in general, the quality is often uncertain
My pair were headhunted many years ago by a well known IPMS Birmingham member who was a "friend" of the Cosford museum. Soon after he had them and donated them he, sadly passed away. Ron was a true gentleman with the Cosford site as one of his passions and so I never claimed them back off the museum.
But frankly it still amazes me that they are happily still displayed over 25 years later.
I no longer criticise any one's models though, all of them have enthusiasm as a driving force and matter very much to the artists who made them.
To be honest I love the "style" of the great factory model makers, not necessarily inch perfect but all redolent of the era in which they were produced.
I first became entranced by the "shipping line models" displayed in so many museums, we had several very highly finished ones in the Birmingham Science Museum
totally gorgeous...
mrmaggit said:
Pave to say I agree with Eric. There is so much on Scale Models which would be better served in its own "Radio Control Toys" section, and leave the Scale Model to stuff that really is Scale Modelling, be it cars, trains, planes, boats or dioramas.
Excuse me? - did you say Toys?........TOYS FFS??????? - the correct terminology would be RC models my learned friend!Stickers said:
mrmaggit said:
Pave to say I agree with Eric. There is so much on Scale Models which would be better served in its own "Radio Control Toys" section, and leave the Scale Model to stuff that really is Scale Modelling, be it cars, trains, planes, boats or dioramas.
Excuse me? - did you say Toys?........TOYS FFS??????? - the correct terminology would be RC models my learned friend!Model snobbery should always be discouraged.
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