Ryanair - Empty rows
Discussion
Eric Mc said:
Would this be because the 737-800 is quite a bit longer than the original 737 design and therefore CG balance is a bit more critical?
Nope all aircraft have balance restrictions even empty aircraft have balance issues say an empty A320 with the full 4 flight deck and 5 cabin crew would normally have 2 flight deck in the cockpit and the remaining crew spread out over the aircraft 2 on the fwd jump seats 3 at the rear jump seats and 2 in the middle of the aircraft. But the 738 has a long fwd section so most of the weight is at the front, and when you think 6 rows = 36 passengers would be 2.9t and the aft 4 rows =24 pssengers would be 1.9t total 4.8tso one reason the fwd 6 rows and aft 4 rows are blocked in a light load.
If the aircraft had 5t in the wrong place the plane would either fly like a pig or crash!
Edited by IM NUTS2 on Thursday 10th February 18:45
kavman0 said:
I've heard it's just to keep the passengers out of the crews faces.
It used to be Rows 1 & 2, but the bloody passengers kept complaining they weren't alloed to sit in the front seats, so it got changed to rows 3 & 4. Most crews ignored the change, simply to keep the passengers that little bit further away. It's bloody annoying when you've got 3 people staring at you and pestering you when you're trying to finish all the paperwork on a short flight, easier to keep row 1 and 2 empty and get some peace.Must admit though, rule 2 was great. 6 rows between you and the pax, bliss. Caused no end of problems boarding though, even if you strapped the tables down, they's still climb over to get the window seat
theboyfold said:
He explained that under 170(ish) passengers they leave them empty to give the plane better balance.
Absolute b*llsh*t, made me laugh...nothing to do with the balance, just typical Ryanair "customer service"...Vote with your feet and don't fly with them (as I do for past years)
4leks said:
theboyfold said:
He explained that under 170(ish) passengers they leave them empty to give the plane better balance.
Absolute b*llsh*t, made me laugh...nothing to do with the balance, just typical Ryanair "customer service"...Vote with your feet and don't fly with them (as I do for past years)D_T_W said:
It used to be Rows 1 & 2, but the bloody passengers kept complaining they weren't alloed to sit in the front seats, so it got changed to rows 3 & 4. Most crews ignored the change, simply to keep the passengers that little bit further away. It's bloody annoying when you've got 3 people staring at you and pestering you when you're trying to finish all the paperwork on a short flight, easier to keep row 1 and 2 empty and get some peace.
Must admit though, rule 2 was great. 6 rows between you and the pax, bliss. Caused no end of problems boarding though, even if you strapped the tables down, they's still climb over to get the window seat
Yeh, bloody passengers, eh? They're a real pain in the arse, better they weren't even let on board..............anybody would think that they contribute to the airline employees salaries and the airlines profits Must admit though, rule 2 was great. 6 rows between you and the pax, bliss. Caused no end of problems boarding though, even if you strapped the tables down, they's still climb over to get the window seat
After all, the money the staff gets paid comes out of some black hole that isn't their concern since they have enough on their plates doing their very complicated jobs.4leks said:
theboyfold said:
He explained that under 170(ish) passengers they leave them empty to give the plane better balance.
Absolute b*llsh*t, made me laugh...nothing to do with the balance, just typical Ryanair "customer service"...Vote with your feet and don't fly with them (as I do for past years)Now i dont work for Ryanair directly but most of the complaints come from stupid passengers who fail to read Ryanair's policy's and if you choose to ignore them you only have yourself to blame,
and for the price people pay for the distance they are traveling most couldn't get a cab home on a Friday night for less!
Edited by IM NUTS2 on Friday 11th February 09:14
thinfourth2 said:
Seeing planes are normally a tripod with one leg at the front can they weigh themselves on the ground and work out cog
A320 in flight yes but on the ground NO and a 737 No to either, if that was the case there would be no need for load sheets. every aircraft that flys has to have a load sheet by law. IM NUTS2 said:
Regiment said:
I would have thought they'd have just moved the fuel between the tanks during flight, as it gets burned, to help balance out the plane?
Nope cant trim a 738 with fuel as its in the wings and center tank if the aircraft wouldn't trim on rule 2 we would add sand bags in the hold but I'm yet to see that happen.
Oh wait...
IM NUTS2 said:
And your experience on weight and balance is? and you have dispatched how many aircraft?
didn't despatch any but flown some; also worked in the industry for quite some time tooIM NUTS2 said:
Now i dont work for Ryanair directly
and indirectly? 
IM NUTS2 said:
most of the complaints come from stupid passengers who fail to read Ryanair's policy's and if you choose to ignore them you only have yourself to blame,
looks like Ryanair's policy's are to be different from other airliners policy's...very different sometimes IM NUTS2 said:
and for the price people pay for the distance they are traveling most couldn't get a cab home on a Friday night for less!
well, at least you are not treated as piece of sh**t in the cab you are in the Ryanair's planes though(I absolutely have no problem with other low cost airliners - regularly fly with EasyJet, WizzAir etc and have no complaints)
IM NUTS2 said:
thinfourth2 said:
Seeing planes are normally a tripod with one leg at the front can they weigh themselves on the ground and work out cog
A320 in flight yes but on the ground NO and a 737 No to either, if that was the case there would be no need for load sheets. every aircraft that flys has to have a load sheet by law. A load cell on each landing strut and bingo you have air craft wieght
4leks said:
Absolute b*llsh*t, made me laugh...nothing to do with the balance, just typical Ryanair "customer service"...Vote with your feet and don't fly with them (as I do for past years)
It's not BS. The closer the aircraft is to being ideally balanced, the less they have to faff about with W+B calculations and moving luggage or people around. Just because the aircraft is physically large, does not mean to say that weight and balance are not critical to its safe and efficient operation. It doesn't take much to upset the balance of an airliner.mattdaniels said:
It's not BS. The closer the aircraft is to being ideally balanced, the less they have to faff about with W+B calculations and moving luggage or people around. Just because the aircraft is physically large, does not mean to say that weight and balance are not critical to its safe and efficient operation. It doesn't take much to upset the balance of an airliner.
I've never been moved from my seat due to "load balance issues", and have often sat in these rows on many different airlines.. I've been taking 20-30 flights a year for the last 23 years.When I have taken regular Ryanir flights, that have been under full, then perhaps as many as the first 6 rows were sectioned off, can not use.
When I asked the crew, they said not enough passengers, so we don't fill the front rows, and it makes it easier for the aircraft to rotate on take off.
Makes sence to me, to have less weight up forward, so the nose can ou and away more easily;
'vette
When I asked the crew, they said not enough passengers, so we don't fill the front rows, and it makes it easier for the aircraft to rotate on take off.
Makes sence to me, to have less weight up forward, so the nose can ou and away more easily;
'vette
4leks said:
well, at least you are not treated as piece of sh**t in the cab you are in the Ryanair's planes though
(I absolutely have no problem with other low cost airliners - regularly fly with EasyJet, WizzAir etc and have no complaints)
That's because Easy Jet have no cabin crew! and cancel most of their flights! you are in the Ryanair's planes though(I absolutely have no problem with other low cost airliners - regularly fly with EasyJet, WizzAir etc and have no complaints)
Never had to deal with WizzAir
Silver993tt said:
've never been moved from my seat due to "load balance issues", and have often sat in these rows on many different airlines.. I've been taking 20-30 flights a year for the last 23 years.
Depends on the Airline as some have the preliminary load sheet prepared before flight and the Central load control will block seats and put bags in different holds to balance the aircraft.
Trust me a lot of preparation goes in to balancing the aircraft before it's even arrived but Ryanair have a standard loading to allow the 25 min turn around.
Also a 737 is not just a 737 as it looks to some a 200 series compared to a 600/700 or 800 all have different CoG and require different loading it also depends on the cabin, crew and catering configuration, there are so many factors to take in!
IM NUTS2 said:
Depends on the Airline as some have the preliminary load sheet prepared before flight and the Central load control will block seats and put bags in different holds to balance the aircraft.
Trust me a lot of preparation goes in to balancing the aircraft before it's even arrived but Ryanair have a standard loading to allow the 25 min turn around.
Also a 737 is not just a 737 as it looks to some a 200 series compared to a 600/700 or 800 all have different CoG and require different loading it also depends on the cabin, crew and catering configuration, there are so many factors to take in!
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