HMS Queen Elizabeth

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roryfizz

143 posts

183 months

Sunday 17th March 2013
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Having two islands also provides a level of survivability with each bridge capable of performing both functions, albeit is a more limited/constrained capacity.

wildcat45

8,094 posts

191 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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It will be intersting how the two islands work. During my time in carriers - as a civvy - I have on several occasions seen someone go through to Flyco - a few steps in an Invincible - to sort a problem out or deal with something face-to-face.

FourWheelDrift

88,831 posts

286 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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Mojocvh said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Isn't the island superstructure aluminium and better to lift that weight and size like that than with lifting points on the structure itself?
source?
What source, I was asking a question. Which has already been answered on page 13. smile

hidetheelephants

25,535 posts

195 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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doogz said:
The alternative would not require the strength and commensurate weight needed for the lift into permemant structure. It's already there. It's a warship. They tend to be fairly robust.
Indeed; even commercial vessels, which are flimsy by comparison, are assembled in big lumps using crane lifts, often using temporary lifting points. Given the exciting variety of dynamic forces ships have to resist it's not surprising they are bit more robust than land-based structures.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

264 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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FourWheelDrift said:
Mojocvh said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Isn't the island superstructure aluminium and better to lift that weight and size like that than with lifting points on the structure itself?
source?
What source, I was asking a question. Which has already been answered on page 13. smile
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MBBlat

1,692 posts

151 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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wildcat45 said:
It will be intersting how the two islands work. During my time in carriers - as a civvy - I have on several occasions seen someone go through to Flyco - a few steps in an Invincible - to sort a problem out or deal with something face-to-face.
That's what the ship handlers wanted so they could keep the flyboys under their thumb. For some reason the aviators were delighted with the suggestion of putting FLYCO on the aft island smile

And BTW the twin Islands came first, separating bridge & FLYCO was a later idea.

davepoth

29,395 posts

201 months

Monday 18th March 2013
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wildcat45 said:
It will be intersting how the two islands work. During my time in carriers - as a civvy - I have on several occasions seen someone go through to Flyco - a few steps in an Invincible - to sort a problem out or deal with something face-to-face.
Probably with Skype.

wildcat45

8,094 posts

191 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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I wonder what the effect will be on relationships - I am thinking wardroom here?

Wings is usually well known to the bridge crew - as are the people below him. He's not far from the COs Sea Cabin in a one island ship.

When wings, and the rest of the flyco team are there on a 'phone line - date link or whatever it will be more remote - more chnace of people making decisions without that added face-to-face element. Off the cuff comments, facial expressions etc all contribute to the way a ship (or any good organisation) works.

For exmaple, the Commander notices somethign amiss on the flight deck - tow guys not paying attention, or a less than good landing. He might right there at the time, just say soemthing to wings. Quiet, spur of the moment words to the wise. If soemthing like that has to be remembered for later - or broadcast on an open line - informatino might not get across.

Its going to a be a whole new learning experience on the QEC.

Godalmighty83

417 posts

256 months

Tuesday 19th March 2013
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Iam sure the naval lot and the air group lot will be able to come up with a suitable hand gesture system they can use towards each other if the rest of the methods of communication can't quite get the message across.

FourWheelDrift

88,831 posts

286 months

Wednesday 20th March 2013
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Between island communications. Due to cutbacks.


skirk

243 posts

143 months

Wednesday 20th March 2013
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can't see a WAFU doing a bean tin adqual....too technical..............

HoggyR32

341 posts

150 months

Friday 22nd March 2013
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Had a trip down to this tonight with work. It gets more impressive every time we go!

I was chatting to one of the boys showing us round when we were standing on the flight deck and I was asking if it was to have a ramp fitted for the planes getting up. He said they still weren't sure??!! Surely they've Sussex that out by now?

MartG

20,775 posts

206 months

Friday 22nd March 2013
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HoggyR32 said:
I was chatting to one of the boys showing us round when we were standing on the flight deck and I was asking if it was to have a ramp fitted for the planes getting up. He said they still weren't sure??!! Surely they've Sussex that out by now?
Probably leaving it to last, just in case there's another political U-turn

ninja-lewis

4,276 posts

192 months

Friday 22nd March 2013
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Final hull section added by QEClassCarriers, on Flickr

On Wednesday March 20 teams at the ACA lifted the heaviest section yet. In a four and a half hour operation the section, weighing more than 900 tonnes, was gently moved into place, revealing the full length of HMS Queen Elizabeth for the first time.

hidetheelephants

25,535 posts

195 months

Friday 22nd March 2013
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MartG said:
HoggyR32 said:
I was chatting to one of the boys showing us round when we were standing on the flight deck and I was asking if it was to have a ramp fitted for the planes getting up. He said they still weren't sure??!! Surely they've Sussex that out by now?
Probably leaving it to last, just in case there's another political U-turn
Hedging in case the septics cancel F35B?

MartG

20,775 posts

206 months

Friday 22nd March 2013
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hidetheelephants said:
MartG said:
HoggyR32 said:
I was chatting to one of the boys showing us round when we were standing on the flight deck and I was asking if it was to have a ramp fitted for the planes getting up. He said they still weren't sure??!! Surely they've Sussex that out by now?
Probably leaving it to last, just in case there's another political U-turn
Hedging in case the septics cancel F35B?
That'd be my guess - leave the ramp off and stretch a big bungee cord across the deck - it'll be right smile

hidetheelephants

25,535 posts

195 months

Friday 22nd March 2013
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MartG said:
hidetheelephants said:
MartG said:
HoggyR32 said:
I was chatting to one of the boys showing us round when we were standing on the flight deck and I was asking if it was to have a ramp fitted for the planes getting up. He said they still weren't sure??!! Surely they've Sussex that out by now?
Probably leaving it to last, just in case there's another political U-turn
Hedging in case the septics cancel F35B?
That'd be my guess - leave the ramp off and stretch a big bungee cord across the deck - it'll be right smile
rofl Waiting for General Atomics to decide what EMALS is going to look like perhaps.

IanMorewood

4,309 posts

250 months

Friday 22nd March 2013
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Some RATO sledges and a couple of cables drums it will all be alright.

ninja-lewis

4,276 posts

192 months

Saturday 23rd March 2013
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Those Colditz chaps had the right idea: Tie a rope to a metal bathtub of concrete and push it over the bow.

Big News

1,937 posts

181 months

Saturday 23rd March 2013
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Glider winch launch would be perfect. Or just tow them up with a Piper Pawnee.