Will this guy make it? 1700 miles in Searider
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dhutch said:
Mars said:
Those guys at Cockwells are a good bunch aren't they?
I really enjoyed this episode. I suspect the amount of work that went into Goodwin far exceeded its value but I really hope that both Raymarine and Cockwells benefit from it because this is one of the best travel series I've ever watched.
Epic.I really enjoyed this episode. I suspect the amount of work that went into Goodwin far exceeded its value but I really hope that both Raymarine and Cockwells benefit from it because this is one of the best travel series I've ever watched.
I was assuming to a high grade refit, but I wasn't prepared for the amount of time and effort which went into the finish on the hull, fair play. I've worked for a boat builders producing high spec high speed deep vee RIBs, all be it for the commercial, defence SAR industries and that hull finish is off the scale even for a new board.
As you say, the amount of Raymarine equipment is obviously basically silly, but they do heavily sponsor other similar projects such as Ship Happens and I guess they have worked out the advertising and marketing they get with it is worth it. These YouTube channels have a really big following, and I am sure the product placement leads to sales.
Fair play all round. Look forward to second half, and presumably as we roll through spring into summer, ticking off some more miles!
Daniel
so I think the value has no purpose in the debate - it becomes value to the owner and if you were to ask what else you might have I presume you would be into boats costing £5k - £6k and upwards and so the equation changes...
Ultimately though Cockwells I am sure were not doing it on the basis of value for money - but rather that they are passionate about boats and support the sheer insanity / humour / madness / fun of what is being done with Goodwin - they happen to have a bunch of highly talented people and a sense of pride which means it would never be about just making sure the boat could float, but showing that they also share the boating passion and doing the best they can...
I was initially surprised that in the scale of the refit they didn't bother replacing the cushions, until they mentioned that they were the originals and then I liked that they were respecting the boat and keeping it Goodwin, despite partially rebuilding it!
Who else though now wants to order one of Cockwells' boats? they have been on my radar for many years, but they really do look superb - not that I need another boat having finally sold my various others!
I agree with the principle of "what is value?" alluded to above. The 2nd hand resale value was what I meant in my post but in reality Goodwin has value associated with its "earnings potential". If Goodwin was replaced at this stage of the circumnavigation, then the remaining distance might not generate the same emotional resonance which is linked to VIEWS. And Cockwells clearly didn't measure Goodwin's resale value because the point was to demonstrate their fabulous capabilities.
I didn't mean to denigrate Goodwin - I'm firmly in the "mend and make do" camp for all things anyway.
I didn't mean to denigrate Goodwin - I'm firmly in the "mend and make do" camp for all things anyway.
Absolutely, your not circumnavigating the UK in a Searider if you swap to a larger 'better' boat half way through.
If Cockwell's sell one boat or refitt project off the back of the work, they a laughing their way to the bank. If they don't, they have still helped good cause doing something a bit silly in a boat. The video is on 57k views in five days, that's mega reach.
Doesn't look like there is anything wrong with the tubes, hypalon is not at all cheap, and making a set of tubes that fit well is a art and a skill, Cockwell's don't make RIBs far as I know so likely couldn't do it in house, at which point as you say. Nice to keep the tubes original!
If Cockwell's sell one boat or refitt project off the back of the work, they a laughing their way to the bank. If they don't, they have still helped good cause doing something a bit silly in a boat. The video is on 57k views in five days, that's mega reach.
Doesn't look like there is anything wrong with the tubes, hypalon is not at all cheap, and making a set of tubes that fit well is a art and a skill, Cockwell's don't make RIBs far as I know so likely couldn't do it in house, at which point as you say. Nice to keep the tubes original!
akirk said:
I don't think that you can set an easy 'value' - I had an identical 4m searider though with a 40hp engine not 30hp - cost me £2k including the trailer - I was lucky and they have gone up a bit since then, but they basically sit at the bottom of the market - a fact that is totally at odds with their superb capability - they outperform many more expensive boats for ruggedness / stability / fun / etc. - sure, a more expensive boat may have many more 'clever' features, but the searider is a superb boat - I would have another one like a shot...
so I think the value has no purpose in the debate - it becomes value to the owner and if you were to ask what else you might have I presume you would be into boats costing £5k - £6k and upwards and so the equation changes...
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The value of a boat like a Searider is mostly in the engine and trailer.so I think the value has no purpose in the debate - it becomes value to the owner and if you were to ask what else you might have I presume you would be into boats costing £5k - £6k and upwards and so the equation changes...
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If the tubes are tired, a Searider with no or knackered engine is worth beans.
Most small powerboats complete with engine are not worth a lot more than the engine separately, once they are a few years old.
Unless you are happy to be fettling vintage 2 stroke motors, I think a decent 4m Searider package won't give you a lot of change out of £5k on the water.
Not sure what to make of the latest episode. Half the fun was it some mad guy doing it all on a budget, somehow getting £10's of thousands of work done, top of the range Raymarine electronics and the boat completely refurbished to a spec far far beyond what anyone would ever normally consider let alone pay for themselves has taken some of the challenge and interest out of it.
In fairness, other than the epic finish to the underside of the hull, and the carbon dash part, all the work was just running repairs that you might well expect, transom replacements are common, as are glassing in new hard points when the a-frame started coming off.
The glass dashboard is a bit daft, but doesn't add or take away much imo. He already had good equipment on the boat.
The glass dashboard is a bit daft, but doesn't add or take away much imo. He already had good equipment on the boat.
Edited by dhutch on Sunday 30th April 10:17
dhutch said:
In fairness, other than the epic finish to the underside of the hull, and the carbon dash part, all the work was just running repairs that you might wekk expect, transom replacements are common, as are glassing in new hard points when the a-frame started coming off.
The glass dashboard is a bit daft, but doesn't add it take away much imo. He already had good equipment on the boat.
But if you want people to watch a youtube channel, you have to entertain them with pointless stuff.The glass dashboard is a bit daft, but doesn't add it take away much imo. He already had good equipment on the boat.
I don't know much about marine "things", living about as far from the sea as one can on this island, but I'm interested in the general subject which includes boat building techniques and the tech that goes into them.
I watch a few other sailing channels but find I get a bit bored with the content when it's limited to "see where we are today". I like it when they have to do repairs, remodelling, and other projects. Harry's series is quite different from the sailing ones in his presentation of "see where we are today" - it has a uniqueness about it that I'm not tired of in the slightest but I find the additional "projects" content quite fascinating. I hope he gives us a run-down of the Raymarine stuff too because I've really no idea how all that operates.
I watch a few other sailing channels but find I get a bit bored with the content when it's limited to "see where we are today". I like it when they have to do repairs, remodelling, and other projects. Harry's series is quite different from the sailing ones in his presentation of "see where we are today" - it has a uniqueness about it that I'm not tired of in the slightest but I find the additional "projects" content quite fascinating. I hope he gives us a run-down of the Raymarine stuff too because I've really no idea how all that operates.
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