Which boat for next summer?
Discussion
Louis Balfour said:
I haven't done an exhaustive check, but the specs of all boats due imminently that I have seen have got the blue hull. I wonder whether Jeanneau has been offering a promotion to dealers!
Have you discussed your preferences with the main UK dealership, Sea Ventures? I can't believe there isn't a new 695 to your exact specification sat somewhere across Europe (probably in France) that SV may be able to get for you! Be quick though as importing after 31/12 might be more expensive.
pequod said:
Have you discussed your preferences with the main UK dealership, Sea Ventures? I can't believe there isn't a new 695 to your exact specification sat somewhere across Europe (probably in France) that SV may be able to get for you! Be quick though as importing after 31/12 might be more expensive.
I will give Chris a call later today or tomorrow.Louis Balfour said:
Not outside of those advertise on uk websites, no.
The French ones I have seen don’t appear better value.
Unlike the current UK market, the French will likely be more open to an offer. The French ones I have seen don’t appear better value.
Most UK sellers would only consider asking price or very close in the current market. I wouldn't be surprised if the French sellers would consider 10-20% below asking.
Thankyou4calling said:
Thanks.When you add in what we want it comes in at £72k, which is approaching 3x our original (and desired) budget.
If I were to buy a new one, how easily could we mess it up so badly that it would shed tons of value? Bearing in mind that we are newbies.
I’m no boating expert - there are some on here.
But this is my take.
If you’ve not owned a boat before and unless you have a LOT of money I wouldn’t be spending £25,000 - no way. To get full use (value) from a boat is quite a commitment. Even a Merry Fisher is going to need maintenance, cleaning, fettling it’s not a hobby you can dabble in as boats can deteriorate quite quickly if not attended to.
Now I know others will disagree but I’d be looking to spend some time on a boat, around boaters, getting some knowledge.
My first boat was a Shakespeare 15ft speedboat on a trailer and even that needed much more time than I gave it and it ended up looking sad.
You are doing the equivalent of buying a Porsche when you’ve not owned an old Vauxhall.
Think long and hard. Next spring contact a few on here and go out for the weekend, see if it’s still for you.
It’s great you are researching, keep that up, but don’t rule out a smaller, cheaper boat initially.
For £5000 you can get something very usable that’ll give your family some fun times.
Here’s an example
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/wellcraft-192-classic-s...
Plenty of others. I’m not advocating this, just putting it forward as an example of what £5000 can get you. Something like that ( pay £4500) use it for a year, tinker with it, get the family on your side. The worst you could do is lose a couple of thousand and you’ll Learn loads along the way.
But this is my take.
If you’ve not owned a boat before and unless you have a LOT of money I wouldn’t be spending £25,000 - no way. To get full use (value) from a boat is quite a commitment. Even a Merry Fisher is going to need maintenance, cleaning, fettling it’s not a hobby you can dabble in as boats can deteriorate quite quickly if not attended to.
Now I know others will disagree but I’d be looking to spend some time on a boat, around boaters, getting some knowledge.
My first boat was a Shakespeare 15ft speedboat on a trailer and even that needed much more time than I gave it and it ended up looking sad.
You are doing the equivalent of buying a Porsche when you’ve not owned an old Vauxhall.
Think long and hard. Next spring contact a few on here and go out for the weekend, see if it’s still for you.
It’s great you are researching, keep that up, but don’t rule out a smaller, cheaper boat initially.
For £5000 you can get something very usable that’ll give your family some fun times.
Here’s an example
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/wellcraft-192-classic-s...
Plenty of others. I’m not advocating this, just putting it forward as an example of what £5000 can get you. Something like that ( pay £4500) use it for a year, tinker with it, get the family on your side. The worst you could do is lose a couple of thousand and you’ll Learn loads along the way.
Edited by Thankyou4calling on Wednesday 4th November 10:22
Thankyou4calling said:
I’m no boating expert - there are some on here.
But this is my take.
If you’ve not owned a boat before and unless you have a LOT of money I wouldn’t be spending £25,000 - no way. To get full use (value) from a boat is quite a commitment. Even a Merry Fisher is going to need maintenance, cleaning, fettling it’s not a hobby you can dabble in as boats can deteriorate quite quickly if not attended to.
Now I know others will disagree but I’d be looking to spend some time on a boat, around boaters, getting some knowledge.
My first boat was a Shakespeare 15ft speedboat on a trailer and even that needed much more time than I gave it and it ended up looking sad.
You are doing the equivalent of buying a Porsche when you’ve not owned an old Vauxhall.
Think long and hard. Next spring contact a few on here and go out for the weekend, see if it’s still for you.
It’s great you are researching, keep that up, but don’t rule out a smaller, cheaper boat initially.
For £5000 you can get something very usable that’ll give your family some fun times.
Here’s an example
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/wellcraft-192-classic-s...
Plenty of others. I’m not advocating this, just putting it forward as an example of what £5000 can get you. Something like that ( pay £4500) use it for a year, tinker with it, get the family on your side. The worst you could do is lose a couple of thousand and you’ll Learn loads along the way.
I hear you but the MF is hardly the Porsche of the boat world is it?But this is my take.
If you’ve not owned a boat before and unless you have a LOT of money I wouldn’t be spending £25,000 - no way. To get full use (value) from a boat is quite a commitment. Even a Merry Fisher is going to need maintenance, cleaning, fettling it’s not a hobby you can dabble in as boats can deteriorate quite quickly if not attended to.
Now I know others will disagree but I’d be looking to spend some time on a boat, around boaters, getting some knowledge.
My first boat was a Shakespeare 15ft speedboat on a trailer and even that needed much more time than I gave it and it ended up looking sad.
You are doing the equivalent of buying a Porsche when you’ve not owned an old Vauxhall.
Think long and hard. Next spring contact a few on here and go out for the weekend, see if it’s still for you.
It’s great you are researching, keep that up, but don’t rule out a smaller, cheaper boat initially.
For £5000 you can get something very usable that’ll give your family some fun times.
Here’s an example
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/wellcraft-192-classic-s...
Plenty of others. I’m not advocating this, just putting it forward as an example of what £5000 can get you. Something like that ( pay £4500) use it for a year, tinker with it, get the family on your side. The worst you could do is lose a couple of thousand and you’ll Learn loads along the way.
Edited by Thankyou4calling on Wednesday 4th November 10:22
I am not minted, but i have just sold some of my business and don’t mind spending some of the gains. I may be dead this time next year (boating accident possibly) and there ain’t no pockets in a shroud.
I can see the parallel of having passed my test and bought a brand new Ford Escort, though.
The trouble is, I haven’t time to spanner boats and the family will be more on side with a good one than an unreliable one.
So, how hard would I need to try to bugger up the boat so badly that it loses masses? I presume that only holing the thing badly would do that?
A few years ago I bought, on a bit of a whim, a small 15ft Simms Super-V with Merc 70hp outboard...It was (very) cheap, but the hassle of trailering and launching it was a bit of a pain and the cost of a decent launch site added up, too.
Having sold my car, I decided I wanted a classic boat and have bought a Fairey Huntress...It is intended as a day boat, but does have a cabin that would sleep 2, if required. However, it isn't on a trailer and lives in a marina, at present.
Cost me £18000 earlier this year but the major ongoing costs are the berthing and maintenance. I've already had to replace the gearbox and there is a winter round of jobs to do (antifoul, new anodes, deck restore, prop resize, governor recalibration, engine service, etc) as soon as lockdown allows.
My family much prefer the larger boat for comfort, even though it isn't as fast as the Simms, but the costs are a lot higher, all round...Fuel, berthing, maintenance, etc.
On a more positive side, I don't expect that it would lose any value assuming maintenance is kept up to date.
Having sold my car, I decided I wanted a classic boat and have bought a Fairey Huntress...It is intended as a day boat, but does have a cabin that would sleep 2, if required. However, it isn't on a trailer and lives in a marina, at present.
Cost me £18000 earlier this year but the major ongoing costs are the berthing and maintenance. I've already had to replace the gearbox and there is a winter round of jobs to do (antifoul, new anodes, deck restore, prop resize, governor recalibration, engine service, etc) as soon as lockdown allows.
My family much prefer the larger boat for comfort, even though it isn't as fast as the Simms, but the costs are a lot higher, all round...Fuel, berthing, maintenance, etc.
On a more positive side, I don't expect that it would lose any value assuming maintenance is kept up to date.
fushion julz said:
A few years ago I bought, on a bit of a whim, a small 15ft Simms Super-V with Merc 70hp outboard...It was (very) cheap, but the hassle of trailering and launching it was a bit of a pain and the cost of a decent launch site added up, too.
Having sold my car, I decided I wanted a classic boat and have bought a Fairey Huntress...It is intended as a day boat, but does have a cabin that would sleep 2, if required. However, it isn't on a trailer and lives in a marina, at present.
Cost me £18000 earlier this year but the major ongoing costs are the berthing and maintenance. I've already had to replace the gearbox and there is a winter round of jobs to do (antifoul, new anodes, deck restore, prop resize, governor recalibration, engine service, etc) as soon as lockdown allows.
My family much prefer the larger boat for comfort, even though it isn't as fast as the Simms, but the costs are a lot higher, all round...Fuel, berthing, maintenance, etc.
On a more positive side, I don't expect that it would lose any value assuming maintenance is kept up to date.
Unless coronavirus is defeated by Easter or boat supply increases dramatically I have a hunch that you are right. Oh or unless I hit a mooring at twenty knots also.Having sold my car, I decided I wanted a classic boat and have bought a Fairey Huntress...It is intended as a day boat, but does have a cabin that would sleep 2, if required. However, it isn't on a trailer and lives in a marina, at present.
Cost me £18000 earlier this year but the major ongoing costs are the berthing and maintenance. I've already had to replace the gearbox and there is a winter round of jobs to do (antifoul, new anodes, deck restore, prop resize, governor recalibration, engine service, etc) as soon as lockdown allows.
My family much prefer the larger boat for comfort, even though it isn't as fast as the Simms, but the costs are a lot higher, all round...Fuel, berthing, maintenance, etc.
On a more positive side, I don't expect that it would lose any value assuming maintenance is kept up to date.
Louis Balfour said:
Unless coronavirus is defeated by Easter or boat supply increases dramatically I have a hunch that you are right. Oh or unless I hit a mooring at twenty knots also.
Boat prices always tank in recessions - I saw this in 07/08 when a number of sexy racing yachts owned by Irish property developers came on the market in a short window. The buyer pool is not big enough to allow everyone to get rid of an expensive liability at the same time.NickCQ said:
Boat prices always tank in recessions - I saw this in 07/08 when a number of sexy racing yachts owned by Irish property developers came on the market in a short window. The buyer pool is not big enough to allow everyone to get rid of an expensive liability at the same time.
This isn't any ordinary recession. Whilst deeper than most, it looks set to be one where holidaying at home is mandatory potentially.I am going long on boats and motorhomes, shorting suitcases and passport wallets.
pequod said:
You haven't read the thread, because if you have followed the OP's request for help from the beginning, your offering doesn't meet the brief?
Sorry to say, I don't believe you have come out ahead after 'all' costs have been accounted for, particularly berthing and yard costs at Chichester Marina, or did you have access to a cheaper mooring in Chich?
Err, yes the offering did meet the brief - re-read page 1. "It will be used on inshore waters and some coastal, it will ideally be towable. It will be my first boat. Something to sharpen my boating skills and not so expensive that it matters when I crash it into some pontoons, quays and locks. I thought we needed 6-8m cuddy cabin. The thinking being, it will be fine for nice days and if fit starts to rain we can shelter in the cuddy"Sorry to say, I don't believe you have come out ahead after 'all' costs have been accounted for, particularly berthing and yard costs at Chichester Marina, or did you have access to a cheaper mooring in Chich?
With regards to the sale, yes, I did come out ahead. I purchased the boat from Lansdale Marine for £24,000 inc trailer and radio etc (it was originally advertised for £28,000). Marina costs from memory were £3400 per year and the boat was antifouled as part of the purchase price. I think I spent about £50 on some new trim tab and engine anodes and the normal few hundred on insurance etc
We listed the boat on Ebay for £34,000 and had an enquiry almost immediately which led to the sale. In addition to the selling price, the buyer paid for the trailer to be serviced prior to the boats collection as the boat was being towed to Sweden. I couldn't believe my luck to secure a sale so quickly but the buyer said that these boats were highly sought after in the Nordics and don't come up for sale very often. We had a lot of fun and actually netted a few thousand pounds.
Edited by Candellara on Wednesday 4th November 16:15
Louis Balfour said:
NickCQ said:
Boat prices always tank in recessions - I saw this in 07/08 when a number of sexy racing yachts owned by Irish property developers came on the market in a short window. The buyer pool is not big enough to allow everyone to get rid of an expensive liability at the same time.
This isn't any ordinary recession. Whilst deeper than most, it looks set to be one where holidaying at home is mandatory potentially.I am going long on boats and motorhomes, shorting suitcases and passport wallets.
Candellara said:
pequod said:
You haven't read the thread, because if you have followed the OP's request for help from the beginning, your offering doesn't meet the brief?
Sorry to say, I don't believe you have come out ahead after 'all' costs have been accounted for, particularly berthing and yard costs at Chichester Marina, or did you have access to a cheaper mooring in Chich?
Err, yes the offering did meet the brief - re-read page 1. "It will be used on inshore waters and some coastal, it will ideally be towable. It will be my first boat. Something to sharpen my boating skills and not so expensive that it matters when I crash it into some pontoons, quays and locks. I thought we needed 6-8m cuddy cabin. The thinking being, it will be fine for nice days and if fit starts to rain we can shelter in the cuddy"Sorry to say, I don't believe you have come out ahead after 'all' costs have been accounted for, particularly berthing and yard costs at Chichester Marina, or did you have access to a cheaper mooring in Chich?
With regards to the sale, yes, I did come out ahead. I purchased the boat from Lansdale Marine for £24,000 inc trailer and radio etc (it was originally advertised for £28,000). Marina costs from memory were £3400 per year and the boat was antifouled as part of the purchase price. I think I spent about £50 on some new trim tab and engine anodes and the normal few hundred on insurance etc
We listed the boat on Ebay for £34,000 and had an enquiry almost immediately which led to the sale. In addition to the selling price, the buyer paid for the trailer to be serviced prior to the boats collection as the boat was being towed to Sweden. I couldn't believe my luck to secure a sale so quickly but the buyer said that these boats were highly sought after in the Nordics and don't come up for sale very often. We had a lot of fun and actually netted a few thousand pounds.
Edited by Candellara on Wednesday 4th November 16:15
As for your purchase and sale tale, you have used some man-maths plus a short ownership which massively reduces the cost of boat ownership. But saying all that, well done for trying it for a season and getting rid before you incurred more costs.
I've just had an email from a broker, who knows that I want a MF. He has been proactive enough to call up an ex customer who has a little used one.
It's 2017 white hull. It has water, sink, shore power, extended seating and curtains. It also has a trailer. But it lacks a bow thruster and plotter. It also only has a 115HP engine.
I would probably need to pay £45k to secure it.
So, I would have a trailer that I would not need for a year probably and need to spend circa £4k if I wanted a bow thruster (which I do) and a plotter (which I will).
So that's a £49k boat if I can get it for £45k and it is still not our perfect spec.
I think I may be able to get a new one for £65k, which is more or less £15k difference, as I won't need a survey or service. Then we are in a 2021 boat instead of a 2017.
Is my man maths improving?
It's 2017 white hull. It has water, sink, shore power, extended seating and curtains. It also has a trailer. But it lacks a bow thruster and plotter. It also only has a 115HP engine.
I would probably need to pay £45k to secure it.
So, I would have a trailer that I would not need for a year probably and need to spend circa £4k if I wanted a bow thruster (which I do) and a plotter (which I will).
So that's a £49k boat if I can get it for £45k and it is still not our perfect spec.
I think I may be able to get a new one for £65k, which is more or less £15k difference, as I won't need a survey or service. Then we are in a 2021 boat instead of a 2017.
Is my man maths improving?
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