Crash at Shoreham Air show
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Pilot errors, as expected. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-391050...
ked-up and he caused the death of innocent people.Full report 450 pages. Systemic ownership and oversight failures on top of the pilot error:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/aircraft-accide...
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/aircraft-accide...
Cold said:
Pilot errors, as expected. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-391050...
Whilst pilot error led to the crash, that it hit people going about their lives and not even perhaps aware that a pilot was making such mistakes must in part be down to the lack of planning and risk assessment. The poor chap driving his Roller to someone's wedding day wasn't partaking in a hobby with some associated risks, for example.
Cold said:
Pilot errors, as expected. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-391050...
Much more to it than that. Aircraft operator and show organiser also accountable.TTmonkey said:
Cold said:
Pilot errors, as expected. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-391050...
Whilst pilot error led to the crash, that it hit people going about their lives and not even perhaps aware that a pilot was making such mistakes must in part be down to the lack of planning and risk assessment. The poor chap driving his Roller to someone's wedding day wasn't partaking in a hobby with some associated risks, for example.
IanH755 said:
Not really, it was the pilot who entered the loop too low and too slow. Without that happening all the other details are moot as the crash wouldn't have happened. It's only because of the crash that everything else is brought to light.
Yes, he might well have crashed. But not where he did."The severity of the outcome was due to the absence of provisions to mitigate the effects of an aircraft crashing in an area outside the control of the organisers of the flying display."
IanH755 said:
Not really, it was the pilot who entered the loop too low and too slow. Without that happening all the other details are moot as the crash wouldn't have happened. It's only because of the crash that everything else is brought to light.
So you'd be happy to go watch an F1 race at a track with no safety barriers, for example? Or any regard to crowd safety? Or where the organisers and the drivers cant agree whose responsible for the rules and the safety of people not involved with driving the cars?essayer said:
Easy to point at the pilot isn't it. In reality, much more complex than that.
In what way?BBC said:
On publication of the report into the disaster, AAIB principal inspector Julian Firth said: "The aircraft crashed because at the top of its aerobatic manoeuvre it was too low to complete it."
There's only one person flying the plane. And he ballsed up the manoeuvre either through incompetence or grandstanding.The pilot is to blame for the aircraft crashing.
However, it seems that if the organisers had properly done their jobs, or that if the authorities had properly considered the risks to the public, the aircraft crash itself might not have happened at the junction of a busy road unconnected to the airshow.
The aircraft crashed during a manoeuvre designed to entertain the paying crowd a the show. Not in some associated transit too and from the event. And yet it dropped onto the nearest major road which was full of traffic.
I think that, in hind sight at least, most people would agree that holding an airshow at Shoreham is an unwise decision. Its far too built up an area.
However, it seems that if the organisers had properly done their jobs, or that if the authorities had properly considered the risks to the public, the aircraft crash itself might not have happened at the junction of a busy road unconnected to the airshow.
The aircraft crashed during a manoeuvre designed to entertain the paying crowd a the show. Not in some associated transit too and from the event. And yet it dropped onto the nearest major road which was full of traffic.
I think that, in hind sight at least, most people would agree that holding an airshow at Shoreham is an unwise decision. Its far too built up an area.
hornetrider said:
There's only one person flying the plane. And he ballsed up the manoeuvre either through incompetence or grandstanding.
That's my assessment of the documents. (Disclaimer: I'm not a pilot, but I do read a lot of accident reports and official documents, so am quite comfortable reading between the lines.)
My money is on no prosecution for the dick behind the stick, though.
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