super yachts 60million+
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Rum Runner said:
On Average 15% running cost per year of the purchase price for powerboat, sail = 10%
Give you a clue last one I ran burnt through 75 gal per hour running hard, but a lot of time down to 20 pottering. That was twin 700hp and at the time I was buying fuel in the US Virgin Islands at $1.27 a U.S gal.
Another a spend time on did 200 gal per hr running flat twin 2000hp,that was in the Med so expensive.
Dockage is a killer depending on where you go. Crew say 10 on 150ft -170ft. Skippers wages alone will be $1000 / 1000 Euro per ft length of boat. Chef half to three quarters of that and the chief engineer the same.
If the boats charter and have a good season they can claw a good amount back. A week on a 180 ft a have on the books is $265,000 a week to charter.
Shamelss plug http://www.toplineyachtcharters.com/motoryacht.htm
I'm late sorry but that is crazy!Give you a clue last one I ran burnt through 75 gal per hour running hard, but a lot of time down to 20 pottering. That was twin 700hp and at the time I was buying fuel in the US Virgin Islands at $1.27 a U.S gal.
Another a spend time on did 200 gal per hr running flat twin 2000hp,that was in the Med so expensive.
Dockage is a killer depending on where you go. Crew say 10 on 150ft -170ft. Skippers wages alone will be $1000 / 1000 Euro per ft length of boat. Chef half to three quarters of that and the chief engineer the same.
If the boats charter and have a good season they can claw a good amount back. A week on a 180 ft a have on the books is $265,000 a week to charter.
Shamelss plug http://www.toplineyachtcharters.com/motoryacht.htm
3.8 MOD said:
The actual figures are in the link I posted above:
"Main Engines: 4 x MTU 16V 4000 M70 32,279 kW Additional Engine: GE LM2500 Gas Turbine 14,039kW Top Speed with Gas Turbine: 33 knots FUEL CONSUMPTION: - Cruising speed 14 knots (2 engines), consumption 750 ltrs/hr, range 4000 miles - Cruising speed 18 knots (4 engines), consumption 1250 ltrs/hr, range 3000 miles - Top speed 33 knots (4 engines +gas turbine), consumption 9000 ltrs/hr, range 780 miles To use the gas turbine, the following conditions must be met: 1.The vessel must remain at least 5 nautical miles from shore at all times. 2.There must be minimum traffic in the area, subject to Captain’s approval. 3.There must be a minimum of 30 meters depth at all times during use of the gas turbine. 4. There can be no more than 1.5 meters of sea swell during use of the gas turbine."
Your link was for Ecstasea (and frankly mind boggling, thanks for posting!)"Main Engines: 4 x MTU 16V 4000 M70 32,279 kW Additional Engine: GE LM2500 Gas Turbine 14,039kW Top Speed with Gas Turbine: 33 knots FUEL CONSUMPTION: - Cruising speed 14 knots (2 engines), consumption 750 ltrs/hr, range 4000 miles - Cruising speed 18 knots (4 engines), consumption 1250 ltrs/hr, range 3000 miles - Top speed 33 knots (4 engines +gas turbine), consumption 9000 ltrs/hr, range 780 miles To use the gas turbine, the following conditions must be met: 1.The vessel must remain at least 5 nautical miles from shore at all times. 2.There must be minimum traffic in the area, subject to Captain’s approval. 3.There must be a minimum of 30 meters depth at all times during use of the gas turbine. 4. There can be no more than 1.5 meters of sea swell during use of the gas turbine."
They’re talking about Dilbar’s fuel burn
emicen said:
3.8 MOD said:
The actual figures are in the link I posted above:
"Main Engines: 4 x MTU 16V 4000 M70 32,279 kW Additional Engine: GE LM2500 Gas Turbine 14,039kW Top Speed with Gas Turbine: 33 knots FUEL CONSUMPTION: - Cruising speed 14 knots (2 engines), consumption 750 ltrs/hr, range 4000 miles - Cruising speed 18 knots (4 engines), consumption 1250 ltrs/hr, range 3000 miles - Top speed 33 knots (4 engines +gas turbine), consumption 9000 ltrs/hr, range 780 miles To use the gas turbine, the following conditions must be met: 1.The vessel must remain at least 5 nautical miles from shore at all times. 2.There must be minimum traffic in the area, subject to Captain’s approval. 3.There must be a minimum of 30 meters depth at all times during use of the gas turbine. 4. There can be no more than 1.5 meters of sea swell during use of the gas turbine."
Your link was for Ecstasea (and frankly mind boggling, thanks for posting!)"Main Engines: 4 x MTU 16V 4000 M70 32,279 kW Additional Engine: GE LM2500 Gas Turbine 14,039kW Top Speed with Gas Turbine: 33 knots FUEL CONSUMPTION: - Cruising speed 14 knots (2 engines), consumption 750 ltrs/hr, range 4000 miles - Cruising speed 18 knots (4 engines), consumption 1250 ltrs/hr, range 3000 miles - Top speed 33 knots (4 engines +gas turbine), consumption 9000 ltrs/hr, range 780 miles To use the gas turbine, the following conditions must be met: 1.The vessel must remain at least 5 nautical miles from shore at all times. 2.There must be minimum traffic in the area, subject to Captain’s approval. 3.There must be a minimum of 30 meters depth at all times during use of the gas turbine. 4. There can be no more than 1.5 meters of sea swell during use of the gas turbine."
They’re talking about Dilbar’s fuel burn
The turbine alone would use .4lbs per hp/hr which is 7200lb which is 3840L/hour. If you take that figure off the 9000L total mentioned above that suggests the FOUR main engines consume 5160L total which sounds in the ball park.
dudleybloke said:
What is the depreciation curve like on such vessels?
I would assume, with having no knowledge of Superyacht resale value. That it's pretty sharp for the first year. Then probably flattens out. Then in the first year of ownership for Billionaire owner number 2 it follows the same pattern. (Mainly because most probably buy a super yacht then have it re-fitted to their taste. When i become a Billionaire i'll buy a one and let you know Sa Calobra said:
Rum Runner said:
On Average 15% running cost per year of the purchase price for powerboat, sail = 10%
Give you a clue last one I ran burnt through 75 gal per hour running hard, but a lot of time down to 20 pottering. That was twin 700hp and at the time I was buying fuel in the US Virgin Islands at $1.27 a U.S gal.
Another a spend time on did 200 gal per hr running flat twin 2000hp,that was in the Med so expensive.
Dockage is a killer depending on where you go. Crew say 10 on 150ft -170ft. Skippers wages alone will be $1000 / 1000 Euro per ft length of boat. Chef half to three quarters of that and the chief engineer the same.
If the boats charter and have a good season they can claw a good amount back. A week on a 180 ft a have on the books is $265,000 a week to charter.
Shamelss plug http://www.toplineyachtcharters.com/motoryacht.htm
I'm late sorry but that is crazy!Give you a clue last one I ran burnt through 75 gal per hour running hard, but a lot of time down to 20 pottering. That was twin 700hp and at the time I was buying fuel in the US Virgin Islands at $1.27 a U.S gal.
Another a spend time on did 200 gal per hr running flat twin 2000hp,that was in the Med so expensive.
Dockage is a killer depending on where you go. Crew say 10 on 150ft -170ft. Skippers wages alone will be $1000 / 1000 Euro per ft length of boat. Chef half to three quarters of that and the chief engineer the same.
If the boats charter and have a good season they can claw a good amount back. A week on a 180 ft a have on the books is $265,000 a week to charter.
Shamelss plug http://www.toplineyachtcharters.com/motoryacht.htm
running is twin 700hp yacht. Is this a tender? Running hard at 75 g/hr. Wow, super expensive. Project SHU which launches in September is the biggest yacht to splash in the last several years. Just under 500ft so close to Dilbar. Crew is 60 in Nr. It's kind of irrelevant what the running costs are. No surprises the owner is Russian. Bottomless pit of cash. In Port running costs are GBP 2m per month. That means the yacht does nothing and sits at the dock. It's great these yachts are built but am not impressed by the types that own them if you know what I mean. The guy who owns this yacht has other yachts, many jets, anything he wants. Even a submarine and 2 helicopters on board. Big deal.kentlad said:
dudleybloke said:
What is the depreciation curve like on such vessels?
I would assume, with having no knowledge of Superyacht resale value. That it's pretty sharp for the first year. Then probably flattens out. Then in the first year of ownership for Billionaire owner number 2 it follows the same pattern. (Mainly because most probably buy a super yacht then have it re-fitted to their taste. When i become a Billionaire i'll buy a one and let you know Conversely if you're an Arab and build some disaster with 50T of gold and marble, a vomit inducing interior and huge thirsty engines to haul it's sorry ass around the gulf, your 300M build is worth 75M the minute you leave the factory
here is a lovely example. The yacht weighs so much it can't do more than 12 knots and handles like a dog.
Burwood said:
Like anything, there are desirable designs and hideous creations by people with no taste. With a builder like Lurssen who generally produce great yachts to a high standard and with build times of 3-4 years many are sold when finished for a premium. Hey if you are a Russian who cares right. He can tell everyone how me paid 50M over the odds to jump the queue. When it's 'money for nothing', it's all good
Conversely if you're an Arab and build some disaster with 50T of gold and marble, a vomit inducing interior and huge thirsty engines to haul it's sorry ass around the gulf, your 300M build is worth 75M the minute you leave the factory
here is a lovely example. The yacht weighs so much it can't do more than 12 knots and handles like a dog.
I suppose it would be a major risk, but are any of these projects started on spec, with the goal of finding a buyer midway through the build, who then benefits from a shorter lead time?Conversely if you're an Arab and build some disaster with 50T of gold and marble, a vomit inducing interior and huge thirsty engines to haul it's sorry ass around the gulf, your 300M build is worth 75M the minute you leave the factory
here is a lovely example. The yacht weighs so much it can't do more than 12 knots and handles like a dog.
SpeckledJim said:
Burwood said:
Like anything, there are desirable designs and hideous creations by people with no taste. With a builder like Lurssen who generally produce great yachts to a high standard and with build times of 3-4 years many are sold when finished for a premium. Hey if you are a Russian who cares right. He can tell everyone how me paid 50M over the odds to jump the queue. When it's 'money for nothing', it's all good
Conversely if you're an Arab and build some disaster with 50T of gold and marble, a vomit inducing interior and huge thirsty engines to haul it's sorry ass around the gulf, your 300M build is worth 75M the minute you leave the factory
here is a lovely example. The yacht weighs so much it can't do more than 12 knots and handles like a dog.
I suppose it would be a major risk, but are any of these projects started on spec, with the goal of finding a buyer midway through the build, who then benefits from a shorter lead time?Conversely if you're an Arab and build some disaster with 50T of gold and marble, a vomit inducing interior and huge thirsty engines to haul it's sorry ass around the gulf, your 300M build is worth 75M the minute you leave the factory
here is a lovely example. The yacht weighs so much it can't do more than 12 knots and handles like a dog.
Not sure if there's any way to find out what it is, but I am on NW Crooked Island in the Bahamas at the moment, and a behemoth came past a couple of evenings ago, maybe 2-3 miles offshore, making good speed. It's now at anchor to the West of the Bight of Acklins. Any way to find out, just out of interest?
Bonefish Blues said:
Not sure if there's any way to find out what it is, but I am on NW Crooked Island in the Bahamas at the moment, and a behemoth came past a couple of evenings ago, maybe 2-3 miles offshore, making good speed. It's now at anchor to the West of the Bight of Acklins. Any way to find out, just out of interest?
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:...There is a 'pleasure craft' shown on the map, but it doesnt say what it is.
Thanks. That's certainly it, shame no more information is available.
ETA
It also has a 30 foot sportfishing boat with full gamefishing apparatus, and on the deck of that it hoists a flats boat, too - just for good measure. There's excess and there's excess excess iyswim!
ETA
It also has a 30 foot sportfishing boat with full gamefishing apparatus, and on the deck of that it hoists a flats boat, too - just for good measure. There's excess and there's excess excess iyswim!
Edited by Bonefish Blues on Friday 15th June 23:15
blueg33 said:
I haven't yet come across a form of sailing/boating that is cheap
I think most mortals buy boats they can afford then use them and realise it’s very expensive. The usual sport fisher would be used 50 hours(engines) per year which is a reflection of cost. I used mine 300 hours for 2 years and bailed. The boat was affordable. The running costs were a ball ache. Twin outboards used about 100 litres per hour. You could double that fuel cost to accommodate storage, servicing and maintenance. Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff