RE: HMS Prince of Wales: PH Meets

[Piginapoke]

With no disrespect to the designers, builders, crew and airmen/women what, exactly, is this £3bn aircraft carrier going to do?

[Kccv23highliftcam]

Condi said:

Kccv23highliftcam said:

Despite a natural inclination to shudder at the mention of the shark, I have to ask how many enemy aircraft have you ever dispatched on operations from UK aircraft carriers?

You've manage to ruin the other thread on the QE, please dont ruin this one as well.

We get you have an agenda, but like most things on the internet, complaining so hard about something you cant change comes across as very pathetic and 'angry little man'. Dont worry about things you cant control, you'll be a happier person.

You just summed up the entire UK carrier/ F35 program with your last sentence.

Now, show me anything I have written is anything but FACT.
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Kccv23highliftcam said:

You just summed up the entire UK carrier/ F35 program with your last sentence.

Now, show me anything I have written is anything but FACT.
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I don't anyone can really be bothered to quote 1603 posts just to serve your ego.

[Chestrockwell]

unsprung said:

MikeGalos said:

Chestrockwell said:

36 F35’s? I thought the US only sold F35’s to Israel!

Well, that shows you should do more homework.

The F-35 has been sold to: United Kingdom, Italy, the Netherlands, Australia, Canada, Denmark, Norway, Turkey, Israel, Singapore, Japan, South Korea.

There are also talks in place for sales to: Belgium, Finland, Germany, Greece, India, Poland, Romania, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Switzerland, Taiwan, United Arab Emirates.

+1

Maybe I should! I don’t follow things like these much but to my knowledge, that was the case!

Do they sell the F22’s to everyone as well then? Coz I remember reading somewhere that they have a jet fighter that is exclusive to them and Israel

[mebe]

Piginapoke said:

With no disrespect to the designers, builders, crew and airmen/women what, exactly, is this £3bn aircraft carrier going to do?

Attempt to stop other people thinking they can do things we dont like merely by existing or being present in a region, or actually putting themselves in harms way if things go tits up. Such a hard concept to understand.

[Piginapoke]

mebe said:

Attempt to stop other people thinking they can do things we dont like merely by existing or being present in a region, or actually putting themselves in harms way if things go tits up. Such a hard concept to understand.

Like who? Russia, China, France? Honestly, you really think a bit of gunboat diplomacy is relevant to modern day threats?

[Europa1]

Ares said:

Mikebentley said:

Surely the gifting of a Range Rover isn’t allowed for a civil servant? Whilst I love the ship he earns enough to buy his own car.

It's not a gift, it's provided for his use. Same as hundreds of other Civil servants.

Indeed - it's not a personal gif:; it goes with the office, not the individual that sits in the office. I seem to recall that Jaguar provided a car to the captain of at least one of the Invincible class carriers.

Where it may differ from other civil servants is that this looks like a pure PR play by JLR, as opposed to a civilian civil servant who may have a contractual entitlement to a vehicle from the motor pool.

If the captain of a gigantiuc, shouty, in your face aircraft carrier gets a roughty-toughty Range Rover, what do we think would be appropriate for the captain of a Trident or hunter killer submarine?

[Hashtaggggg]

Piginapoke said:

mebe said:

Attempt to stop other people thinking they can do things we dont like merely by existing or being present in a region, or actually putting themselves in harms way if things go tits up. Such a hard concept to understand.

Like who? Russia, China, France? Honestly, you really think a bit of gunboat diplomacy is relevant to modern day threats?

Syria, as recently demonstrated.

My take on the logic is the threat is against smaller rogue nations

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Europa1 said:

If the captain of a gigantiuc, shouty, in your face aircraft carrier gets a roughty-toughty Range Rover, what do we think would be appropriate for the captain of a Trident or hunter killer submarine?

Something discreet like a Mondeo, but with long range fuel tanks.

[Europa1]

Piginapoke said:

Like who? Russia, China, France? Honestly, you really think a bit of gunboat diplomacy is relevant to modern day threats?

France? A modern day threat? Who to? Michelin Guide reviewers who dare to criticise one of their citizen's estaminets?

[Piginapoke]

Hashtaggggg said:

Syria, as recently demonstrated.

My take on the logic is the threat is against smaller rogue nations

The recent Syrian action did not involve any aircraft carriers, we had none at the time and the planes flew from land bases.

It all seems a bit imperialistic to me. I recall a documentary on HMS Illustrious and it was clear that ship lacked clear purpose and, as a result, didn't seem to have much to do.

I'm not trying be negative, I'm just genuinely puzzled what these two ships will do apart from burn diesel oil across the seven oceans for the next 40 years.

[aeropilot]

Chestrockwell said:

Do they sell the F22’s to everyone as well then?

Nope, F-22 wasn't allowed to be exported to anyone.

[unsprung]

Piginapoke said:

It all seems a bit imperialistic to me. I recall a documentary on HMS Illustrious and it was clear that ship lacked clear purpose and, as a result, didn't seem to have much to do.

I'm not trying be negative, I'm just genuinely puzzled what these two ships will do apart from burn diesel oil across the seven oceans for the next 40 years.

I apologise, but it's painful to see your comments here and how they contradict what history has taught us about things like national security, sea lanes, and the community of free nations

Edited by unsprung on Thursday 25th October 20:34

[DoubleD]

leakymanifold said:

If I was ordering a ship i think i would order it in a different colour than grey.

Grey is very in at the minute

[aeropilot]

DoubleD said:

leakymanifold said:

If I was ordering a ship i think i would order it in a different colour than grey.

Grey is very in at the minute

Indeed, perhaps it would be more appropriate for the Queen Liz or POW to have an Audi or Merc badge fitted to the bow to fit in with the rest of the grey world

[BlackandWhite]

My rubbish collection has gone from once weekly to once monthly because there's just not enough money to provide this basic service, 6.2 Billion and a couple of free Range Rovers to help the captain get about. Am I supposed to celebrate or weep.

[Housey]

Kccv23highliftcam said:

"The truth on the Navy carrier debacle?

Industry got away with murder
Sold 'adaptable' ships which couldn't be adapted"

Ref.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/06/defence_c...

Looks like we have us a cut n paster.

[HarryW]

350Matt said:

Europa1 said:

Piginapoke said:

Another white elephant

Hmmmm....you may be on to something. Remind me which ex-PM's constituency Rosyth is in?

or its a national project which employs hundred if not thousands, puts government spending back into the economy and keeps us relevant on the world stage

depending on your outlook of course..

+100

Also look at the next generation of UK Frigates, the Type 26. It has recently been selected in different varients as the parent platform design for the Australian and Canadian future Frigate programmes, both won in open completion on the global stage... Great success for UK PLC and a superb thumbs up for UK engineering.
There are far too many wanting to knock things down and think spending more on unproductivity and the feckless will help the economy flourish. It is things like these that will help bring that about imho...

[Piginapoke]

unsprung said:

I apologise, but it's painful to see your comments here and how they contradict what history has taught us about things like national security, sea lanes, and the community of free nations



This would be when we had the largest naval fleet, merchant fleet and an Empire to defend?

I think you make the imperialist point better than me.

Edited by unsprung on Thursday 25th October 20:34

[donutsina911]

Piginapoke said:

gibberish

90% of trade goes by sea - keeping UK trade interests, the 17 billion tonnes of goods that arrive in the UK each year and hundreds of thousands of jobs dependent on maritime secure is unconnected to the size of the RN fleet or an empire ffs. Add in the fact that of our top 10 defence priorities, the RN is at the heart of 7 of them, Carrier Strike has enormous value to UK plc.