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I’d have no qualms world cruising a beneteau 1st 45 (or 1st 40).
I’ve done the last 2 Fastnets on a 45 (beating up the Irish Sea for 24 hours in 30-40 knots and big seas), plus a couple of Biscay crossings (where we saw 40knts down wind) and multiple other RORC races. The boat has also been cruised extensively by the owner.
The owner did the middle Sea race on one a few years back in a massive storm - sustained 50knts gusting to 60 and 6-8m seas (75% of the fleet retired to Messina) - they blew the main, but finished with the boat intact.
The 1sts, at least, sail very well and are solidly built - cupboards not opening when underway in big seas?. not on ours
You would need to find a decent one that’s not been used as a charter boat though.
I’ve done the last 2 Fastnets on a 45 (beating up the Irish Sea for 24 hours in 30-40 knots and big seas), plus a couple of Biscay crossings (where we saw 40knts down wind) and multiple other RORC races. The boat has also been cruised extensively by the owner.
The owner did the middle Sea race on one a few years back in a massive storm - sustained 50knts gusting to 60 and 6-8m seas (75% of the fleet retired to Messina) - they blew the main, but finished with the boat intact.
The 1sts, at least, sail very well and are solidly built - cupboards not opening when underway in big seas?. not on ours
You would need to find a decent one that’s not been used as a charter boat though.
Edited by Chris Stott on Saturday 21st September 10:00
anyway, here is a slightly out of the box idea..... (not this specific boat but an example)
https://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/2007-beneteau-...
Have a look in destinations like Asia and Carib, plenty of boats for sale where for a multitude of reasons, peoples trip has been cut short. Especially in Thailand and Malaysia where people realise that to carry on around the globe its past Somalia and teh Gulf, or some big ocean miles across to South Africa and the atlantic, back where they cane or sell up and go home.
Means there can be some great deals, and you can do the trip back.
sellers are usually a lot more motivated to sell too ...
https://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/2007-beneteau-...
Have a look in destinations like Asia and Carib, plenty of boats for sale where for a multitude of reasons, peoples trip has been cut short. Especially in Thailand and Malaysia where people realise that to carry on around the globe its past Somalia and teh Gulf, or some big ocean miles across to South Africa and the atlantic, back where they cane or sell up and go home.
Means there can be some great deals, and you can do the trip back.
sellers are usually a lot more motivated to sell too ...
XJSJohn said:
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...... and you can do the trip back....
...... and you can do the trip back....
http://www.cruiserswiki.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Pas...
pequod said:
XJSJohn said:
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...... and you can do the trip back....
...... and you can do the trip back....
http://www.cruiserswiki.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Pas...
I'll stick to a gin palace off of Monaco
pequod said:
Yeah, northern Atlantic is bad enough west to east, but no chance I’d be doing a Pacific crossing west to east Fastchas said:
I know the MD of this company. Maybe these guys have something for you...
https://www.maiden-marine.co.uk/boats-for-sale/Use...
I await a lambasting but.https://www.maiden-marine.co.uk/boats-for-sale/Use...
Some of those look awfully cheap.
If you wanted to "simply" have somewhere cheap and basic to live what are the implications of doing so on a boat?
Asking from the POV that a small boat seems to have enough room to sleep, eat, and the things a studio flat would essentially give.
Always found the idea fascinating so look forward to being brought down to earth
CarbonXKR said:
Afternoon all, a lot of ideas and good links for browsing. I'm grateful for all the help so far and will no doubt be back on for more advice once i have identified one. Few years yet so lots more research to be done regarding costs etc. Cheers again
I hope that my posts have helped to answer some of your questions about what is possible with a budget of around £80k to buy a safe sea-going boat?Good luck with the further research, eventual purchase and adventure!
BTW, the Swedish islands in Summer are lovely as are the Danish ones??? Baltic Sea is not too far from you?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I await a lambasting but.
Some of those look awfully cheap.
If you wanted to "simply" have somewhere cheap and basic to live what are the implications of doing so on a boat?
Asking from the POV that a small boat seems to have enough room to sleep, eat, and the things a studio flat would essentially give.
Always found the idea fascinating so look forward to being brought down to earth
Hopefully in this 'room', you will receive sound advice and have no fear of being 'lambasted'!Some of those look awfully cheap.
If you wanted to "simply" have somewhere cheap and basic to live what are the implications of doing so on a boat?
Asking from the POV that a small boat seems to have enough room to sleep, eat, and the things a studio flat would essentially give.
Always found the idea fascinating so look forward to being brought down to earth
Many folk have set sail across the ocean in all sorts of boats from 27' enclosed water sailboats (yep, I've met and seen 'em) to the most luxurious end of the market, including the motorboat fraternity. The FE is full of abandoned dreams and can be had for not a lot of cash but not necessarily fit and ready for another adventure offshore.
Maybe start another topic, eh?
pequod said:
If blue water cruising is what you are planning, then one of these would fit the bill, IMO, and was on my list.
https://www.boatshed.com/hans_christian_43-boat-24...
I have sailed on one of these that a friend has, it went surprisingly well in lighter winds once you got it moving, very nicely built but a bit of a pirate style!https://www.boatshed.com/hans_christian_43-boat-24...
I'm a Bavaria owner (at 32' too small for what you want) and although I think they are great boats for weekend Solent cruising with cross channel hops, and will clearly take quite a lot of punishment, I'd probably be going for something narrower with more sea-kindly ends for proper blue water world cruising. A Bav is incredible value...because it is built down to a price at the end of the day.
I really think I'd be looking at an encapsulated keel, skeg rudder, and quite possibly a ketch rig if I was really serious, with lots of back-up and redundancy by design. As an example, my fresh water pump gave up the ghost at anchor in Studland Bay a few weeks ago. As there is no hand pump, I had a tank full of water and no way to easily get it out Mildly annoying having to go into Poole to pick up a new pump, but would have been a different story mid-ocean!
I really think I'd be looking at an encapsulated keel, skeg rudder, and quite possibly a ketch rig if I was really serious, with lots of back-up and redundancy by design. As an example, my fresh water pump gave up the ghost at anchor in Studland Bay a few weeks ago. As there is no hand pump, I had a tank full of water and no way to easily get it out Mildly annoying having to go into Poole to pick up a new pump, but would have been a different story mid-ocean!
Hard-Drive said:
I'm a Bavaria owner (at 32' too small for what you want) and although I think they are great boats for weekend Solent cruising with cross channel hops, and will clearly take quite a lot of punishment, I'd probably be going for something narrower with more sea-kindly ends for proper blue water world cruising. A Bav is incredible value...because it is built down to a price at the end of the day.
I really think I'd be looking at an encapsulated keel, skeg rudder, and quite possibly a ketch rig if I was really serious, with lots of back-up and redundancy by design. As an example, my fresh water pump gave up the ghost at anchor in Studland Bay a few weeks ago. As there is no hand pump, I had a tank full of water and no way to easily get it out Mildly annoying having to go into Poole to pick up a new pump, but would have been a different story mid-ocean!
Thanks for the reply. I'll be well equipped in terms of spares when I do it, we used to do 10 day trips at the fishing - sometimes out West of the Hebrides or over towards the Norewegian sector in the Northern North Sea. We couldn't afford to run in for spares/stores/fuel/water/ice/spare nets etc. etc. so always carried plenty. I will probably be "over the top" in that respect but I think you need to be. If it's only the two of us, we will have plenty of room in the spare cabins. I really think I'd be looking at an encapsulated keel, skeg rudder, and quite possibly a ketch rig if I was really serious, with lots of back-up and redundancy by design. As an example, my fresh water pump gave up the ghost at anchor in Studland Bay a few weeks ago. As there is no hand pump, I had a tank full of water and no way to easily get it out Mildly annoying having to go into Poole to pick up a new pump, but would have been a different story mid-ocean!
Whatever I go for, I'll allow a few hundred pounds for a good survey to identify what may be on the way out - especially the dear bits!
As I am sure you are discovering sailing, and particularly ocean voyaging, is a hugely complex subject; I've been sailing 30 years, 16 as a professional and I still find that the more I learn the more I realise I don't know!
I carried out an intensive search for a round the world capable vessel for my wife and I with a similar budget. I would echo the thoughts of others up the tread; all boats are a compromise in lots of ways. The trick is to work out exactly how and where you will use the boat so that the compromises you end up buying aren't painful ones.
There is one book that you absolutely should buy, read, and re-read:
The Voyager's Handbook - Beth Leonard
The writers have completed a trade wind circumnavigation in a traditional ketch, and a high latitudes circumnavigation in a 47ft boat they custom built themselves based on what they learned on the first lap. There is also plenty about costs, budgets etc that many other books won't cover.
I would also recommend Jimmy Cornell's 'World Cruising Destinations' and 'World Voyage Planner' - the first book tells you what to expect in any country you can sail to, and the second one tells you how (and importantly when) you should sail there.
You might be interested to read some of the Quora answers I have written
Atlantic Crossing on a budget
Swing Keel Yachts
Is this cheap boat a good bet?
There are an eclectic range of boats that have inspired me for extensive cruising, probably non of them will be perfect for you, but learning a little about all of them would help you in your search:
Alubat Ovni 435
Boreal 44
Allures 45
Garcia Passoa 43
Tayana 52
Shuttleworth Tek 35 Catamaran
Dragonfly 1000
RM 1050, 1060
Freedom 40 Cat Ketch
Mason 44
As you might guess from the list I favour boats with a shallow draft option - it gives you better anchoring options, cheaper berthing options, and you don't have to worry about the keel falling off!
At your price point you will get an awful lot more monohull for your money than you will buying a catamaran. Cats under 35ft have too little under bridge deck clearance. Better to commit to having the living accommodation touching the water (a trimaran!)
Best of luck with the reading and boat searching - it's great fun!
I carried out an intensive search for a round the world capable vessel for my wife and I with a similar budget. I would echo the thoughts of others up the tread; all boats are a compromise in lots of ways. The trick is to work out exactly how and where you will use the boat so that the compromises you end up buying aren't painful ones.
There is one book that you absolutely should buy, read, and re-read:
The Voyager's Handbook - Beth Leonard
The writers have completed a trade wind circumnavigation in a traditional ketch, and a high latitudes circumnavigation in a 47ft boat they custom built themselves based on what they learned on the first lap. There is also plenty about costs, budgets etc that many other books won't cover.
I would also recommend Jimmy Cornell's 'World Cruising Destinations' and 'World Voyage Planner' - the first book tells you what to expect in any country you can sail to, and the second one tells you how (and importantly when) you should sail there.
You might be interested to read some of the Quora answers I have written
Atlantic Crossing on a budget
Swing Keel Yachts
Is this cheap boat a good bet?
There are an eclectic range of boats that have inspired me for extensive cruising, probably non of them will be perfect for you, but learning a little about all of them would help you in your search:
Alubat Ovni 435
Boreal 44
Allures 45
Garcia Passoa 43
Tayana 52
Shuttleworth Tek 35 Catamaran
Dragonfly 1000
RM 1050, 1060
Freedom 40 Cat Ketch
Mason 44
As you might guess from the list I favour boats with a shallow draft option - it gives you better anchoring options, cheaper berthing options, and you don't have to worry about the keel falling off!
At your price point you will get an awful lot more monohull for your money than you will buying a catamaran. Cats under 35ft have too little under bridge deck clearance. Better to commit to having the living accommodation touching the water (a trimaran!)
Best of luck with the reading and boat searching - it's great fun!
sassthathoopie said:
As I am sure you are discovering sailing, and particularly ocean voyaging, is a hugely complex subject; I've been sailing 30 years, 16 as a professional and I still find that the more I learn the more I realise I don't know!
I carried out an intensive search for a round the world capable vessel for my wife and I with a similar budget. I would echo the thoughts of others up the tread; all boats are a compromise in lots of ways. The trick is to work out exactly how and where you will use the boat so that the compromises you end up buying aren't painful ones.
There is one book that you absolutely should buy, read, and re-read:
The Voyager's Handbook - Beth Leonard
The writers have completed a trade wind circumnavigation in a traditional ketch, and a high latitudes circumnavigation in a 47ft boat they custom built themselves based on what they learned on the first lap. There is also plenty about costs, budgets etc that many other books won't cover.
I would also recommend Jimmy Cornell's 'World Cruising Destinations' and 'World Voyage Planner' - the first book tells you what to expect in any country you can sail to, and the second one tells you how (and importantly when) you should sail there.
You might be interested to read some of the Quora answers I have written
Atlantic Crossing on a budget
Swing Keel Yachts
Is this cheap boat a good bet?
There are an eclectic range of boats that have inspired me for extensive cruising, probably non of them will be perfect for you, but learning a little about all of them would help you in your search:
Alubat Ovni 435
Boreal 44
Allures 45
Garcia Passoa 43
Tayana 52
Shuttleworth Tek 35 Catamaran
Dragonfly 1000
RM 1050, 1060
Freedom 40 Cat Ketch
Mason 44
As you might guess from the list I favour boats with a shallow draft option - it gives you better anchoring options, cheaper berthing options, and you don't have to worry about the keel falling off!
At your price point you will get an awful lot more monohull for your money than you will buying a catamaran. Cats under 35ft have too little under bridge deck clearance. Better to commit to having the living accommodation touching the water (a trimaran!)
Best of luck with the reading and boat searching - it's great fun!
Thanks so much for your reply, I will have a look at all the above. I carried out an intensive search for a round the world capable vessel for my wife and I with a similar budget. I would echo the thoughts of others up the tread; all boats are a compromise in lots of ways. The trick is to work out exactly how and where you will use the boat so that the compromises you end up buying aren't painful ones.
There is one book that you absolutely should buy, read, and re-read:
The Voyager's Handbook - Beth Leonard
The writers have completed a trade wind circumnavigation in a traditional ketch, and a high latitudes circumnavigation in a 47ft boat they custom built themselves based on what they learned on the first lap. There is also plenty about costs, budgets etc that many other books won't cover.
I would also recommend Jimmy Cornell's 'World Cruising Destinations' and 'World Voyage Planner' - the first book tells you what to expect in any country you can sail to, and the second one tells you how (and importantly when) you should sail there.
You might be interested to read some of the Quora answers I have written
Atlantic Crossing on a budget
Swing Keel Yachts
Is this cheap boat a good bet?
There are an eclectic range of boats that have inspired me for extensive cruising, probably non of them will be perfect for you, but learning a little about all of them would help you in your search:
Alubat Ovni 435
Boreal 44
Allures 45
Garcia Passoa 43
Tayana 52
Shuttleworth Tek 35 Catamaran
Dragonfly 1000
RM 1050, 1060
Freedom 40 Cat Ketch
Mason 44
As you might guess from the list I favour boats with a shallow draft option - it gives you better anchoring options, cheaper berthing options, and you don't have to worry about the keel falling off!
At your price point you will get an awful lot more monohull for your money than you will buying a catamaran. Cats under 35ft have too little under bridge deck clearance. Better to commit to having the living accommodation touching the water (a trimaran!)
Best of luck with the reading and boat searching - it's great fun!
I'm currently working my way through Youtubers "Sailing La Vagabonde", gives a lot of insight in to sailing when you have no time constraints. Oh to be young again and have the money to do it - those two things don't normally match!
DB4DM said:
Ocean Passages for the World, from UK Hydrographic Office, is still relevant for RTW planning at the big hand small chart stage. It will also help visualise how oceanic some of the routes are at differing times of year
Well familiar with that publication - and it is worth having. I was lecturer in Maritime Studies for 10 years after I left the fishing industry and that was part of our "Unlimited" certificate teaching in passage planning. All the Sailing directions are worth their weight in gold, I know there are yachting equivalents which are invaluable when going to different locations.I would listen to XJS John for cruising in this part of the world, but only when he is slightly sober ( not often) . I have put masts on bavarias, and can honestly say that to get the mast to stand you have to be careful you can still open the master cabin door.
Not keeping up on yacht prices nowadays, I would assume a Swan is beyond your budget, but having seen the quality difference I know which I would want to be on if I was doing the blue water thing. I can only suggest looking at loads of different types of yacht, maybe trading smaller length for quality of build / kit. Catamarans are good for hugging coasts, the problem in deep water arises with the aquadynamics properties of two separate hulls being tied together, also have seen one catamaran shipped to Thailand that was deck cargo because the owner was a cheap wad, and then didnt want to pay the extra for correct offloading crack in the centre as it was lifted. Would not want to be on that in a force .005 offshore.
Not keeping up on yacht prices nowadays, I would assume a Swan is beyond your budget, but having seen the quality difference I know which I would want to be on if I was doing the blue water thing. I can only suggest looking at loads of different types of yacht, maybe trading smaller length for quality of build / kit. Catamarans are good for hugging coasts, the problem in deep water arises with the aquadynamics properties of two separate hulls being tied together, also have seen one catamaran shipped to Thailand that was deck cargo because the owner was a cheap wad, and then didnt want to pay the extra for correct offloading crack in the centre as it was lifted. Would not want to be on that in a force .005 offshore.
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